Henley Rule Changes

Henley Rule Changes

Post by Donal Cas » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:25:00


How many peoples season has been, for want of a better word, upset by the
Stewards last minute rule changes. Its nice to see that they consulted the
12 Top Clubs/Universities (Molesey Notts County Leander Oxbridge etc.)
before issuing there decree.

No doubt this should prove an entertaining thread (though perhaps not for
the beneficiaries of the changes or the non UK visiting members of this
group who dont perhaps realise the significance of the event to the
Brits).

Donal

 
 
 

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Post by chris harriso » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:22:05


Quote:

> How many peoples season has been, for want of a better word, upset by
the
> Stewards last minute rule changes.

"season" and "last minute"?

If you've got all season to work out a response, it's hardly last
minute, is it?

What in particular are you complaining about? The banning of club
winners from Thames/Wyfold/Brit? The opening up of the Visitors? The
addition of the quads?

How has your season been spoiled irrevocably?

Quote:
> Its nice to see that they consulted the
> 12 Top Clubs/Universities (Molesey Notts County Leander Oxbridge
etc.)
> before issuing there decree.

Thereby cementing in the idea that there is an element group of clubs
how don't just think themselves better, but are having important
regattas governed around their viewpoints.

Quote:
> Donal

Is this the same Donel Casey who has been spamming lots in recent
months?

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Post by Tim Grang » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:48:12



Quote:


>> How many peoples season has been, for want of a better word, upset by
>> the Stewards last minute rule changes.

>"season" and "last minute"?

>If you've got all season to work out a response, it's hardly last
>minute, is it?

Surely everyone is training hard in singles and pairs at
the minute, to be able to efficiently move which ever boat
has the most chance of doing well this summer?

Quote:
>What in particular are you complaining about? The banning of club
>winners from Thames/Wyfold/Brit? The opening up of the Visitors? The
>addition of the quads?

My season has been improved greatly by the rule changes, since
they've doubled the number of quad places in the competition,
something I think that sculling in this country has needed for
a while.

Quote:
>> Its nice to see that they consulted the
>> 12 Top Clubs/Universities (Molesey Notts County Leander Oxbridge
>etc.)
>> before issuing there decree.

>Thereby cementing in the idea that there is an element group of clubs
>how don't just think themselves better, but are having important
>regattas governed around their viewpoints.

(being devils advocate here) you could ask which clubs will be
affected by the rules changes the most - those with past
henley winners or internationals, by the looks of things.

Tim

 
 
 

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Post by wilb.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:03:16

How has your season been spoiled irrevocably?

The rule changes are quite clear and whilst it would have been nice to
have a whole years notice to work on forming crew, especially if people
are to change to crew sculling from sweep the changes seem quite
possitive.

The big difficulty for club crews is judging which events to go for
amoungst the lower level events ie Thames, Wyfold, or Brit. With the
more experienced (or should I say sucessful) oarsmen bumped up the Brit
might not be such an obvious choice for the slower crews. It will be
interesting to see how many crews go for each event. This is not
something you can blame the regatta for but its going to be interesting
to see which way the coaches gamble.  So which event do people think
will be the easiest to qualify and which will be the easiest to win.

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Post by j.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:13:27

: (being devils advocate here) you could ask which clubs will be
: affected by the rules changes the most - those with past
: henley winners or internationals, by the looks of things.

Did they consult Oxford Brookes about these rule changes?

Jon
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Henley Rule Changes

Post by david.hender.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:17:06

The regular tinkering with the rules has plenty of parallels with
situations I encounter every day at work in my case effects of EU
regulation.

Essentially, it is a case of a bunch of rulemakers agreeing between
themselves on a desired outcome (which might indeed be desirable in the
widest sense) and then trying to frame the legislation that will
achieve it.  Sometimes the rules have the opposite effect to what is
being sought.

In this case one desired outcome is the establishment of a third tier
into HRRs old 2-tier system (as far as eights and coxless fours are
concerned) in other words, the creation of a super-elite class
between top club and full international.  I know there have been three
open events for eights for a while now, but its always been a struggle
to define who should be in the Ladies (for the uninitiated, the
Ladies is a mens event).

The trouble is, there is no supporting structure of super-elite
events elsewhere in the GB calendar witness the number of top crews
(Molesey, Brookes, etc) who come over here to Ghent every year just to
be able to race at this level.

My own feeling is that the Stewards are going to struggle each year to
coerce crews into the super-elite category maybe by having to
constantly fine-tune the rules to close last years loopholes until
there is a recognised programme of racing for this category in the pre-
Henley calendar.

Incidentally, there used to be; I remember when a couple of regattas -
Marlow was one of them - used to offer Elite fours (Wyfold class) and
Elite fours (Stewards), also the same thing in eights.

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Post by RowJ » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:33:21

I'll tell ya one thing I think they should 'change' at Henley.....

The COLD SHOWERS.  Why don't the Stewards put their heads together and add a
water heater to those things?

I swear, to this day, those are the coldest showers I've ever experienced.
"Talk about Shrinkage"
JB

 
 
 

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Post by Donal Cas » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:28:00

The rules will always favour the big succesful clubs (and being
realistic why shouldnt they) but the basic critism is that the Stewards
have rule M to bump people up who are not playing the game. More judicious
use of this rather than tinkering with the entry qualifications would make
sense. London Molesey and Leander found this to their annoyance one year
and I think it not unfair that those who are obviously too good for an
event are elevated nearer the time of entries.

Yes I am training in small boats. Will probably race in them - and have no
particular angst as to who I race. Im not asking for an event with nobody
to race in it. If I were then I wouldnt have bothered doing the Goblets
and Quads 8 or 9 times.

No my season is not irrevocably ruined(I never said it was).

Yes the new Quads event is a good idea

Quote:

> >Thereby cementing in the idea that there is an element group of clubs
> >how don't just think themselves better, but are having important
> >regattas governed around their viewpoints. I didnt understand what was

being said here?

Don