Regatta Points Trophy

Regatta Points Trophy

Post by Matt Kaminsk » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:55:27


We (Florida Scholastic Rowing) are looking into changing our overall points
trophy structure at our championship regatta. At present it favors teams
that enter all events and not so much rewarding winning the best events.
What kind of points systems are out there? Obviously larger teams will still
have an advantage, but how can we adjust things to reward speed and
competitiveness.
Any suggestions or help will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt Kaminski, Melbourne, Florida

 
 
 

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Post by Richard Packe » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:48:28


Quote:
> We (Florida Scholastic Rowing) are looking into changing our overall
points
> trophy structure at our championship regatta. At present it favors teams
> that enter all events and not so much rewarding winning the best events.
> What kind of points systems are out there? Obviously larger teams will
still
> have an advantage, but how can we adjust things to reward speed and
> competitiveness.

I don't know if there are any events that use this approach, but here's an
idea.

Award points for winning events (and maybe for other places on a multi-lane
course), and divide a club's total by the points total it could have scored
if it won all the events it entered.  You'll end up with a score between 0
and 1 (or express it as a % to give a number between 0 and 100), thus
rewarding the clubs that have performed well for their size.  Of course,
you'll have to have some kind of minimum qualification standard, e.g. to be
eligible clubs must have at entered at least N events, which must include an
8 and 4- and a 2x (or something similar).

You could weight the points awarded for each event to recognise that winning
(in UK-speak) Elite 8s might be "worth" more than Novice 1x.

If you have a full set of results for previous years' regattas, then you
could experiment with different weightings and algorithms until you get one
that "feels right".

I like the concept of "Victor Ludorum" prizes as it provides an opportunity
for a club en masse to have their overall performance recognised, but many
schemes tend to favour the clubs that simply put loads of entries in, and
smaller clubs can go away empty handed even if they have a better win / race
ratio!

Hope this brain dump helps.

Richard

 
 
 

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Post by June Kendric » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:56:39

Royal Canadian Henley does something like this.  They call it the
"Efficiency Trophy".  It's explained on their web site.

http://www.henleyregatta.ca/

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Azzopard » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:16:44

Here's the formula we're going to use this coming weekend:
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~azzopard/ocrr/regatta_victor_ludorum_rules.html

Paul
City of Oxford RC http://i.am/corc

 
 
 

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Post by chris harriso » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:49:00

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:48:28 +0100, Richard Packer

Quote:

> Award points for winning events (and maybe for other places on a multi-
> lane
> course), and divide a club's total by the points total it could have
> scored
> if it won all the events it entered.  You'll end up with a score between
> 0
> and 1 (or express it as a % to give a number between 0 and 100), thus
> rewarding the clubs that have performed well for their size.  Of course,
> you'll have to have some kind of minimum qualification standard, e.g. to
> be
> eligible clubs must have at entered at least N events, which must include
> an
> 8 and 4-and a 2x (or something similar).

> You could weight the points awarded for each event to recognise that
> winning
> (in UK-speak) Elite 8s might be "worth" more than Novice 1x.

> If you have a full set of results for previous years' regattas, then you
> could experiment with different weightings and algorithms until you get
> one
> that "feels right".

You're describing something not particularly dissimilar to the formula the
(apparently) defunct NRL was using to give points to clubs for their wins.
Although the NRL did not try to work out the efficacy of the total entries
for clubs.
 
 
 

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Post by Alex Wilb » Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:58:38

Quote:

> We (Florida Scholastic Rowing) are looking into changing our overall points
> trophy structure at our championship regatta. At present it favors teams
> that enter all events and not so much rewarding winning the best events.
> What kind of points systems are out there? Obviously larger teams will still
> have an advantage, but how can we adjust things to reward speed and
> competitiveness.
> Any suggestions or help will be appreciated.

> Thanks,

> Matt Kaminski, Melbourne, Florida

If you have a look at the national rowing league site (www.nrl.org.uk)
under there rules section you can see you they prioritise there
points.

The points awarded for a win in a race are is calculated by
mulitplying a score for the status of the race by the number of people
in the crew.
eg 15 x 9 for a high status race. In the NRL there is another
multiplier for the standard of the regatta which does not appear to be
relavent in this case.

You may wish to add a mulitplier for the number of crews that actually
turn up, so you have some reflection of how difficult the race is
going to be to win.

The efficiencey award may backfire if your regatta is aiming to keep
its entries as high as possible, as clubs may decide not to send its
less competitive crews.

Alex Wilbey
For your regatta you may also

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Azzopard » Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:55:03

... and the results of applying the formula are posted at
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~azzopard/ocrr/regatta_programmemenu.html (click on
'Victor Ludorum').


Quote:
> Here's the formula we're going to use this coming weekend:
> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~azzopard/ocrr/regatta_victor_ludorum_rules.html

> Paul
> City of Oxford RC http://i.am/corc

 
 
 

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Post by Henry Brau » Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:22:53

Quote:

> ... and the results of applying the formula are posted at
> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~azzopard/ocrr/regatta_programmemenu.html (click on
> 'Victor Ludorum').

Quite close at the top! Perhaps the heavy weighting for eights events
encouraged more of the large boats to enter this late season regatta; a
good thing from the point of view of a club with no small boats to speak
of. I clutch my Mixed 8o Sprint[1] pot the more proudly knowing that
we snatched victory from no fewer than six other crews.

A great weekend. Many thanks to both CORC and Falcon.

Henry

[1] What do you mean, a joke event? Come on if you think you're fast
enough...

 
 
 

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Post by Edd Edmondso » Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:19:29

Quote:

> ... and the results of applying the formula are posted at
> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~azzopard/ocrr/regatta_programmemenu.html (click on
> 'Victor Ludorum').

Quick query with the results - what's happened with WN1x on Sunday? The
website gives Fiona Haworth-Brown of Mortlake winning, but I thought
Jennifer Goldsack of Somerville was given the race in the end?

And Mortlake thinks Fiona Haworth-Brown won W1xVB/C rather than Eton
Excelsior on Sunday.

--
Edd

 
 
 

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Post by Anu Dudhi » Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:29:49

Quote:

> good thing from the point of view of a club with no small boats to speak
> of.

Apart from the 2x and (ahem) the 2-.
 
 
 

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Post by Robin / Dundee UBC Women's Captain 02/ » Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:16:28

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Quote:

> You may wish to add a mulitplier...

is this a rowing-specific tool from Empacher Online for adjusting
dodgy 80s hair-styles, or simply putting a spanner in the works?

...for the number of crews that actually

Quote:
> turn up, so you have some reflection of how difficult the race is
> going to be to win.