Fuller's Head of the River Fours (UK)

Fuller's Head of the River Fours (UK)

Post by Christopher She » Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:32:06


HOR4s is now fully subscribed for this year's race. Clubs can make as many
changes as they want to crew line up in OE until 6pm tomorrow (Fri 23 Oct).
Standard 50% rule will apply after that point.

Christopher F Shea
Honorary Secretary

http://twitter.com/hor4s

 
 
 

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Post by Christopher She » Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:15:20

Do notify us of your subs.  We will be checking.  Further details about subs
can be found at http://www.hor4s.org.uk/subs.htm

Top Tip
If you wish to transfer between two crews, you need to start by subbing in
someone who is not taking part.  OE will prevent someone being in two crews
but you can sub as much as you like as long as you have at least two of the
original (rowing/sculling) members of the crew entered at all times.

Chris Shea
Hon. Sec.
HOR4s

 
 
 

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Post by Christopher Anto » Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:59:34


Quote:
> Do notify us of your subs.  We will be checking.  Further details about
> subs can be found at http://www.hor4s.org.uk/subs.htm

> Top Tip
> If you wish to transfer between two crews, you need to start by subbing in
> someone who is not taking part.  OE will prevent someone being in two
> crews but you can sub as much as you like as long as you have at least two
> of the original (rowing/sculling) members of the crew entered at all
> times.

> Chris Shea
> Hon. Sec.
> HOR4s

What about the special case of replacing  the cox and then making two
further subs? You then have replaced half the "rowing members" and the cox
which is allowed. There's no rule to say that the crew has to compete in the
order you have them on the entry form, or even that the cox and stroke (say)
cannot swap on the day provided that the points total is still correct.

 
 
 

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Post by coac » Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:40:31

On a different subject regarding the head,

Please remember that there is a Rugby International at Twickenham.
This usually means that the main A316 road, that goes over Chiswick
Bridge, becomes gridlocked with heavy traffic from about mid-morning.

There are also roadworks, road closures and divertions on the South
Circular Road, where it crosses Putney High Street. (Not all the
alternative routes are suitable for trailers)

There are also road works on the Upper Richmond Road in Sheen/Mortlake
area at the junction with Queens Rise.

Good Luck

 
 
 

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Post by David Biddulp » Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:53:28


Quote:



>> Do notify us of your subs.  We will be checking.  Further details about
>> subs can be found at http://www.hor4s.org.uk/subs.htm

>> Top Tip
>> If you wish to transfer between two crews, you need to start by subbing
>> in someone who is not taking part.  OE will prevent someone being in two
>> crews but you can sub as much as you like as long as you have at least
>> two of the original (rowing/sculling) members of the crew entered at all
>> times.

>> Chris Shea
>> Hon. Sec.
>> HOR4s

> What about the special case of replacing  the cox and then making two
> further subs? You then have replaced half the "rowing members" and the cox
> which is allowed. There's no rule to say that the crew has to compete in
> the order you have them on the entry form, or even that the cox and stroke
> (say) cannot swap on the day provided that the points total is still
> correct.

I would read that as changing 3 of the rowing members, which isn't allowed.
Seating order of rowing members isn't significant under the rules;  who rows
and who coxes is.
--
David Biddulph
Rowing web pages at
http://www.biddulph.org.uk/
 
 
 

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Post by Christopher Anto » Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:23:53



Quote:




>>> Do notify us of your subs.  We will be checking.  Further details about
>>> subs can be found at http://www.hor4s.org.uk/subs.htm

>>> Top Tip
>>> If you wish to transfer between two crews, you need to start by subbing
>>> in someone who is not taking part.  OE will prevent someone being in two
>>> crews but you can sub as much as you like as long as you have at least
>>> two of the original (rowing/sculling) members of the crew entered at all
>>> times.

>>> Chris Shea
>>> Hon. Sec.
>>> HOR4s

>> What about the special case of replacing  the cox and then making two
>> further subs? You then have replaced half the "rowing members" and the
>> cox which is allowed. There's no rule to say that the crew has to compete
>> in the order you have them on the entry form, or even that the cox and
>> stroke (say) cannot swap on the day provided that the points total is
>> still correct.

> I would read that as changing 3 of the rowing members, which isn't
> allowed. Seating order of rowing members isn't significant under the
> rules;  who rows and who coxes is.
> --

Perhaps one for the RoRSC to clarify?
 
 
 

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Post by Richard du » Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:24:42

On Nov 12, 10:23?pm, "Christopher Anton"

Quote:






> >>> Do notify us of your subs. ?We will be checking. ?Further details about
> >>> subs can be found athttp://www.hor4s.org.uk/subs.htm

> >>> Top Tip
> >>> If you wish to transfer between two crews, you need to start by subbing
> >>> in someone who is not taking part. ?OE will prevent someone being in two
> >>> crews but you can sub as much as you like as long as you have at least
> >>> two of the original (rowing/sculling) members of the crew entered at all
> >>> times.

> >>> Chris Shea
> >>> Hon. Sec.
> >>> HOR4s

> >> What about the special case of replacing ?the cox and then making two
> >> further subs? You then have replaced half the "rowing members" and the
> >> cox which is allowed. There's no rule to say that the crew has to compete
> >> in the order you have them on the entry form, or even that the cox and
> >> stroke (say) cannot swap on the day provided that the points total is
> >> still correct.

> > I would read that as changing 3 of the rowing members, which isn't
> > allowed. Seating order of rowing members isn't significant under the
> > rules; ?who rows and who coxes is.
> > --

> Perhaps one for the RoRSC to clarify?

I won't hold my breath - my umpire's ticket runs out in 2013

Richard du P

 
 
 

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Post by Christopher She » Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:31:33

Quote:
>> What about the special case of replacing  the cox and then making two
>> further subs? You then have replaced half the "rowing members" and the
>> cox which is allowed. There's no rule to say that the crew has to compete
>> in the order you have them on the entry form, or even that the cox and
>> stroke (say) cannot swap on the day provided that the points total is
>> still correct.

"Up to half the rowing members of a crew and the coxswain may be substituted
before the crew's first race."

When the Cox swaps places with one of the rowing members, they cease to be
the Cox and become a rowing member of the crew. You have then replaced more
than half the rowing members of the crew in your scenario.

Sorry but my news reader has taken against you and I was unaware of your
post until David replied.

Chris

 
 
 

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Post by Christopher She » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:48:31

IMPORTANT UPDATE
The race is currently on. Full or part cancellation remains a possibility
and a final decision will be taken at turn of tide tomorrow (12:30pm).
Competitors are advised to check the status of the race on our Twitter feed
or with their Host Club before boating tomorrow.

At the same time you should be considering the ability of your crews to
compete in what are likely to be rough conditions, even if the race takes
place.  We can only decide whether the race is safe to go ahead for suitably
competent crews.  You are the ones in a position to consider the competence
of your own crews.  If you are in any doubt about your crew being able to
cope with the conditions you should scratch.  One School has already
scratched two of its three crews on this basis.  They are to be commended
for making that judgement.

Any scratching must be notified before 10pm tonight or in person at Chiswick
Pier House.  If the race goes ahead it is essential we know who is on the
water.

It is likely to be cold and windy.  If crews are not properly dressed there
will be a real risk of hypothermia, especially for the latter starting
crews.  We will not hesitate to remove crews from the river not properly
attired for the conditions.

Christopher Shea

Honorary Secretary

Head of the River Fours

 
 
 

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Post by pdb » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:57:27

On Nov 13, 6:48?pm, "Christopher Shea"

Quote:

> IMPORTANT UPDATE
> The race is currently on. Full or part cancellation remains a possibility
> and a final decision will be taken at turn of tide tomorrow (12:30pm).
> Competitors are advised to check the status of the race on our Twitter feed
> or with their Host Club before boating tomorrow.

> At the same time you should be considering the ability of your crews to
> compete in what are likely to be rough conditions, even if the race takes
> place. ?We can only decide whether the race is safe to go ahead for suitably
> competent crews. ?You are the ones in a position to consider the competence
> of your own crews. ?If you are in any doubt about your crew being able to
> cope with the conditions you should scratch. ?One School has already
> scratched two of its three crews on this basis. ?They are to be commended
> for making that judgement.

> Any scratching must be notified before 10pm tonight or in person at Chiswick
> Pier House. ?If the race goes ahead it is essential we know who is on the
> water.

> It is likely to be cold and windy. ?If crews are not properly dressed there
> will be a real risk of hypothermia, especially for the latter starting
> crews. ?We will not hesitate to remove crews from the river not properly
> attired for the conditions.

> Christopher Shea

> Honorary Secretary

> Head of the River Fours

IIRC  in 2007 when the HORR was cancelled, the weather was blustery
and yet the decision to go ahead was made on the basis of a 'weather
window' predicted by the PLA. I was afloat in a tin-fish, much against
my own instincts because I had expected a cancellation even before the
tide turned, helping crews above Barnes Bridge which had been swamped,
when the decision was made to start racing. I then heard all of the
radio messages from the umpires and emergency services and the efforts
of them to get everyone safely ashore cannot be underestimated but,
unfortunately, my own warnings before the race started were not heard
because the steel structure of Barnes Bridge prevented clear
reception.

I am sure that lessons were learned then and that if the weather has
not stabilised the event will be cancelled. If not, then coaches must
make their own decisions based on the experience of the crew and the
inherent buoyancy of the boat.

 
 
 

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Post by Carl Dougla » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:23:31

Quote:

> On Nov 13, 6:48 pm, "Christopher Shea"

>> IMPORTANT UPDATE
>> The race is currently on. Full or part cancellation remains a possibility
>> and a final decision will be taken at turn of tide tomorrow (12:30pm).
>> Competitors are advised to check the status of the race on our Twitter feed
>> or with their Host Club before boating tomorrow.

>> At the same time you should be considering the ability of your crews to
>> compete in what are likely to be rough conditions, even if the race takes
>> place.  We can only decide whether the race is safe to go ahead for suitably
>> competent crews.  You are the ones in a position to consider the competence
>> of your own crews.  If you are in any doubt about your crew being able to
>> cope with the conditions you should scratch.  One School has already
>> scratched two of its three crews on this basis.  They are to be commended
>> for making that judgement.

>> Any scratching must be notified before 10pm tonight or in person at Chiswick
>> Pier House.  If the race goes ahead it is essential we know who is on the
>> water.

>> It is likely to be cold and windy.  If crews are not properly dressed there
>> will be a real risk of hypothermia, especially for the latter starting
>> crews.  We will not hesitate to remove crews from the river not properly
>> attired for the conditions.

>> Christopher Shea

>> Honorary Secretary

>> Head of the River Fours

> IIRC  in 2007 when the HORR was cancelled, the weather was blustery
> and yet the decision to go ahead was made on the basis of a 'weather
> window' predicted by the PLA. I was afloat in a tin-fish, much against
> my own instincts because I had expected a cancellation even before the
> tide turned, helping crews above Barnes Bridge which had been swamped,
> when the decision was made to start racing. I then heard all of the
> radio messages from the umpires and emergency services and the efforts
> of them to get everyone safely ashore cannot be underestimated but,
> unfortunately, my own warnings before the race started were not heard
> because the steel structure of Barnes Bridge prevented clear
> reception.

> I am sure that lessons were learned then and that if the weather has
> not stabilised the event will be cancelled. If not, then coaches must
> make their own decisions based on the experience of the crew and the
> inherent buoyancy of the boat.

Fine words, but -

How many coaches, crews or clubs will have even the first inkling as to
what is the "inherent buoyancy of the boat"?

Can _you_ calculate it?  Only a tiny proportion of the population,
rowing or otherwise, is able to do the maths - even for a simple
prismatic object.

Could Stuart Ward do it?  He has written to inform me that he is
sufficiently expert in such matters.  In reality I think he was kidding
himself & foolishly attempting to fob me off.  All so shabby when lives
may depend on the real life flotation characteristics of a swamped shell.

Respect where it is due, some lessons, organisational and other, will
certainly have been learned from previous fiascos.  I have a high regard
for the normal expertise of those running this event, but if conditions
are abnormal....?  The place & time to do that learning is _not_ when
you have 500 crews afloat in a storm.  That, as they say, is when the
shit may hit the fan.

Each crew, we are told, is supposed to make its own risk assessment on
each occasion they go afloat.  Unless they have previously been swamped
in their boats, or have performed the necessary calculations on those
boats (for both of which, in the large majority of cases, the answers
must be that they have not), they cannot even begin to make that risk
assessment.

Let's all hope for better conditions & a great race.

Cheers -
Carl

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