CRASH-B 1994, Model C erg, Ltwt divisions

CRASH-B 1994, Model C erg, Ltwt divisions

Post by Geoffrey S Knau » Sun, 10 Oct 1993 00:38:35


  The CRASH-B Board met last night to decide whether to use the new
Model C ergometer from Concept II.  Although there were reasons to
stay with the Model B, when the vote was taken the use of the Model C
was approved.  The Model C ergometer will be used, and CRASH-B will
make best efforts to get the word out so that no one is surprised when
the regatta takes place on Sunday, February 20, 1994.

  The Board wants to thank the net for its opinions, which were
discussed at length.  Many board members were sympathetic to the
concerns of the net.  Here is some of the reasoning behind approval of
the Model C.  They are not in any particular order.

        - Concept II wants very much to switch to the Model C.
          They feel they have improved their product again, and it
          is a sound business decision for them.  The price of the
          Model C is unchanged, by the way.

        - The Model C is already sold out.  Model B's are still being
          made in limited quantities, but they are backordered too.
          Basically, demand for the Model C is very strong, and it
          appears that Model C's will start appearing at health clubs
          everywhere.  This has already happened in Boston.  CRASH-B
          thus thought it would be a mistake to wait a year.

        - We're also beginning to see the Model C ergs appear at
          local universities, including small ones.  It is unpleasant
          for the rowing community to have to adapt to the cost of
          rapid innovation (hatchet blades, new erg), but that is
          not within our control.  We can't hold back market forces.

        - Those of us who've rowed on the Model C don't like it in the
          beginning, but then we get used to it and don't notice the
          difference.  Some people say it really is better.

        - Concept II will provide translation tables and a resistance
          setting to keep times comparable to previous regattas.  This
          information will be widely disseminated.

        - The warm-up area will have lots of Model C's for people to
          use, again to reduce the "surprise" of a new erg type.

  In other CRASH-B news, there will be Lightweight Men's and Women's
events as before, AND, except for the Open and Coxswain events, there
will be a "lightweight division" for all other events, in the form of
a check-off box on the entry form.  The results will show rankings
within lightweight divisions, and the winners of lightweight divisions
will receive a prize.

  Happy water rowing, till the waters freeze...

Geoffrey
Member, CRASH-B Board
--
Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF

 
 
 

CRASH-B 1994, Model C erg, Ltwt divisions

Post by Michael Re » Sun, 10 Oct 1993 01:59:55



Quote:
>  The CRASH-B Board met last night to decide whether to use the new
>Model C ergometer from Concept II.  Although there were reasons to
>stay with the Model B, when the vote was taken the use of the Model C
>was approved.  The Model C ergometer will be used, and CRASH-B will
>make best efforts to get the word out so that no one is surprised when
>the regatta takes place on Sunday, February 20, 1994.

>  The Board wants to thank the net for its opinions, which were
>discussed at length.  Many board members were sympathetic to the
>concerns of the net.

I must have missed the request  for comments, though I've been reading
group since it came out...

Quote:
>  Here is some of the reasoning behind approval of
>the Model C.  They are not in any particular order.

>    - Concept II wants very much to switch to the Model C.
>      They feel they have improved their product again, and it
>      is a sound business decision for them.  The price of the
>      Model C is unchanged, by the way.

You're not kidding...of course they want to switch to their new model!
What manufacturer doesn't? And what better way to  do it then have the
premier erg event  in the world require you to use the new model?  And
what about all the satellite events?  Do they also have to use the new
model??

Note that by saying "the price of the Model C is unchanged" you do not
rule out a  profit/sales motive: the Model C may (and almost certainly
is, due to greater use  of plastic  and other redesigns) be cheaper to
manufacture.

Quote:

>    - The Model C is already sold out.  Model B's are still being
>      made in limited quantities, but they are backordered too.
>      Basically, demand for the Model C is very strong, and it
>      appears that Model C's will start appearing at health clubs
>      everywhere.  This has already happened in Boston.  CRASH-B
>      thus thought it would be a mistake to wait a year.

Hmm..I fail to see the logic.  You are saying that because some health
clubs (and hospitals) are ordering  Model C's,  the Model C should  be
the erg to use?  For one thing, I doubt the majority of contestants at
the CRASH-Bs train in  health clubs.   In any case, I'm not sure there
is a point here.  Please explain...

Quote:
>    - We're also beginning to see the Model C ergs appear at
>      local universities, including small ones.  It is unpleasant
>      for the rowing community to have to adapt to the cost of
>      rapid innovation (hatchet blades, new erg), but that is
>      not within our control.  We can't hold back market forces.

Now *THIS*  seems to be the basis for the  change! "unpleasant for the
rowing community to adapt to the cost"!!  Well, not too unpleasant for
C II  !  The  new blades were thought by  many  rowers  to be  a  real
improvement, necessary to stay competitve, but the new ergs?  I hardly
think so...Most clubs would (and will) probably keep the model Bs until
they fail, unless there was some compelling reason to switch...

Quote:
>    - Those of us who've rowed on the Model C don't like it in the
>      beginning, but then we get used to it and don't notice the
>      difference.  Some people say it really is better.

Are they going to use the square, flat seat at CRASH-B, or the  rowing
seat?

Quote:
>    - Concept II will provide translation tables and a resistance
>      setting to keep times comparable to previous regattas.  This
>      information will be widely disseminated.

Although the machines self-calibrate, and the calibration algorithm used
is the same as in the Model B (or so CII told me), I'll be really
suprised if the "feel" is the same.

Quote:
>    - The warm-up area will have lots of Model C's for people to
>      use, again to reduce the "surprise" of a new erg type.

>  In other CRASH-B news, there will be Lightweight Men's and Women's
>events as before, AND, except for the Open and Coxswain events, there
>will be a "lightweight division" for all other events, in the form of
>a check-off box on the entry form.  The results will show rankings
>within lightweight divisions, and the winners of lightweight divisions
>will receive a prize.

>  Happy water rowing, till the waters freeze...

>Geoffrey
>Member, CRASH-B Board
>--
>Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF


I'm not concerned about being  suprised using a new model, or anything
like  that.  I am concerned about commercialism being poorly rephrased
into some kind of  benefit  to me.  If I am wrong, and this is not the
case,  I apologize.  If  I'm  not,  why not  just say "because of  CII
sponsorship,  we will be using  the  new model this year", which would
not bother me nearly as much.

The cost of rowing is  an issue that has been addressed  in many ways,
most notably minimum weights for shells and design limitations. ***
materials, hull and rigger  designs and the like would otherwise drive
the cost up beyond even the current highs.  The last thing we need is
the same thing to happen to our off-water training gear, when no clear
benefit is shown...

Michael
NYAC Crew