Plans for outdoor storage racks?

Plans for outdoor storage racks?

Post by Dave » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:41:18


Hello again RSR,

Does anyone have experience (or plans for) building freestanding
outdoor shell racks? We're considering a number of designs for outdoor
rowing shell storage (8s and 4s)...preferably something that does not
have to be anchored into the ground. Our current best idea is to build
out of galvanized steel pipe (secured with kee klamps and screw-
together joints)...we have an existing one that holds 6 shells.

Wintech and Vespoli both offer their own versions of freestanding
aluminum racks, but we're concerned that they would be attractive to
thieves, who have already started cutting down aluminum lampposts to
sell as s***in our fine city.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks,
Dave

 
 
 

Plans for outdoor storage racks?

Post by coac » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:20:40

Your problem is one of overall stability.

Truely free standing rack systems need large base plates or out
riggers probably as wide as the racks themselves and these need to be
adjustabel to suit  any variations in ground level.

You would be looking at a pair of uprights, about 500 -750mm apart.
The connections between the racks and the uprights need to be able to
cope with offset loads and the effects of wind loading. The lowest
rack would have legs at the out side end.

You should bear in mind that open expanses of water can get windy and
the shape of the boats will be such that "uplift" forces may be
imposed on the frames.

The best systems of temporary racking are set into the ground with a
plug in socket set into a concrete base.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Sulliva » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:17:32


Quote:
> Hello again RSR,
snip

> Any thoughts or suggestions?

The pipe racks are really sturdy,  and have been used successfully
at BIAC for years.

If you are setting up two racks side by side,  you can buy
a whole lot of stability by running a  couple pipes across the
top from rack to rack above the shells.

 
 
 

Plans for outdoor storage racks?

Post by James » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:29:11



Quote:


> > Hello again RSR,
> snip

> > Any thoughts or suggestions?

> The pipe racks are really sturdy,  and have been used successfully
> at BIAC for years.

> If you are setting up two racks side by side,  you can buy
> a whole lot of stability by running a  couple pipes across the
> top from rack to rack above the shells.

I made a racking system very cheaply for our boats from scaffolding.

it consists to uprights for every rack, 5 racks long (suitable for 8s)
with cross bars between each set of uprights then a diagonal to the
ground at each end. The widthwise racks are attached to both uprights,
and one is attached on the ground to give widthways stability.

We are lucky in that the area is sheltered from the wind by a building
and trees, but the ground is soft which meant no need to dig the
diagonals in properly, they could be pushed in.

It doesnt sound great, but it does the job, has survived high winds
and 4 floods now. It tipped lengthways in one flood but because some
of the clamps were a little loose rather than design flaws.

What I also found was that the lengths of a scaffold pole provided
excellent spacers to fit around riggers, but we wanted 8s on one side
and 4s and sculls on the other, so we separated 3 from 2 upright
sections with additional diagonals to create effectively 2 racks that
still can take an 8 between them. Cost something like 250 ish, we got
a scaffolders to advertise on the boathouse in exchange for the
materials on the cheap.

This was taken whilst the penultimate set of floods were receding:
http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v167/19/114/223406467/...

You can see the basic layout from the bottom rack, you cant see the
bottom struts because of the grass, but if you look carefully you can
see the 2nd set of diagonals 3 racks along.

(before anyone asks, the boats are on the ground are meant to be
there, one is a totally destroyed 1x, the other is an old carbo 2+
(yes, 2+) if anyone wants it uber cheap, let me know! It is a nice
boat!)

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Sulliva » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:39:41




Quote:



snip

Quote:
>(before anyone asks, the boats are on the ground are meant to be
>there, one is a totally destroyed 1x, the other is an old carbo 2+
>(yes, 2+) if anyone wants it uber cheap, let me know! It is a nice
>boat!)

No such thing as totally destroyed!!    :^)

where are you located?

 
 
 

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Post by James » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:12:51



Quote:






> snip

> >(before anyone asks, the boats are on the ground are meant to be
> >there, one is a totally destroyed 1x, the other is an old carbo 2+
> >(yes, 2+) if anyone wants it uber cheap, let me know! It is a nice
> >boat!)

> No such thing as totally destroyed!!    :^)

> where are you located?

Birmingham Uni based in Worcester (UK), did I see somewhere you are in
the US?

The scull and sculler were run down by a barge on the river, (sculler
totally unharmed!), boat can only be picked up one way up without
turning into a V. Chap who repaired boats near us reckoned he could do
something with it but it would never be quite the same again(!). Alas
we can't afford a repair as the insurance is taking literally years,
for what reason I don't understand! One day we will get it fixed up,
any one who wants a project boat in the area..?

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Sulliva » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:31:50


snip

Quote:
> Birmingham Uni based in Worcester (UK), did I see somewhere you are in
> the US?

Northern Cal.

Quote:

> The scull and sculler were run down by a barge on the river, (sculler
> totally unharmed!), boat can only be picked up one way up without
> turning into a V. Chap who repaired boats near us reckoned he could do
> something with it but it would never be quite the same again(!). Alas
> we can't afford a repair as the insurance is taking literally years,
> for what reason I don't understand! One day we will get it fixed up,
> any one who wants a project boat in the area..?

I'd have no time for it anyway, but always interested in
rescuing equipment (nearby that is).
 
 
 

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Post by Matt Kaminsk » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:48:34


Quote:
> Hello again RSR,

> Does anyone have experience (or plans for) building freestanding
> outdoor shell racks? We're considering a number of designs for outdoor
> rowing shell storage (8s and 4s)...preferably something that does not
> have to be anchored into the ground. Our current best idea is to build
> out of galvanized steel pipe (secured with kee klamps and screw-
> together joints)...we have an existing one that holds 6 shells.

> Wintech and Vespoli both offer their own versions of freestanding
> aluminum racks, but we're concerned that they would be attractive to
> thieves, who have already started cutting down aluminum lampposts to
> sell as s***in our fine city.

> Any thoughts or suggestions?

> Thanks,
> Dave

We've used something similar to the pipe racks but use pressure treated
4x4's instead - trying to sink them 4 feet into the ground. We drilled holes
for the steel tubes in the wood and slid them though for racks. 6 4x4's
should get you enough for 8's and 4's supporting the 8's in three spots. We
use fire hose on the pipes to help protect the boats. Currently this rack is
holding three 8's, two fours (soon will be one more), and three singles. We
have them four racks high with the top just for old boat storage.

May not sound great but they have lasted many a hurricane (with some boats
on no less).

Matt

 
 
 

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Post by Robi » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:30:49

Quote:
> (before anyone asks, the boats are on the ground are meant to be
> there, one is a totally destroyed 1x, the other is an old carbo 2+
> (yes, 2+) if anyone wants it uber cheap, let me know! It is a nice
> boat!)

Are you coming up to BUSA in Scotland this spring?  I've spent the
last 7 years collecting Carbocrafts of all shapes and sizes for our
club and restoring them to full working order and enclosed buoyancy,
so the chance of something unusual to add to the collection is worth
jumping at.  Any more photos welcome.  Reply here if poss - the Email
address above doesn't take unknown senders.
 
 
 

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Post by James » Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:23:09


Quote:
> > (before anyone asks, the boats are on the ground are meant to be
> > there, one is a totally destroyed 1x, the other is an old carbo 2+
> > (yes, 2+) if anyone wants it uber cheap, let me know! It is a nice
> > boat!)

> Are you coming up to BUSA in Scotland this spring?  I've spent the
> last 7 years collecting Carbocrafts of all shapes and sizes for our
> club and restoring them to full working order and enclosed buoyancy,
> so the chance of something unusual to add to the collection is worth
> jumping at.  Any more photos welcome.  Reply here if poss - the Email
> address above doesn't take unknown senders.

Hey Robin, not sure I have any photos of it yet, but I will get the
boat washed off and take some for you when I am next able. It has had
very little use and the hull is sound. The muck on the hull you can
see is a sticky sappy stuff that drops off the trees, it comes off no
problem with a little elbow grease (Ill do that next chance I have) I
doubt it has shoes in etc but steering etc all in good state.

We will be at the regatta, I think we will be taking 2 trailers up so
hopefully we can find space for it on there for you! Which club are