Cheap rate meter

Cheap rate meter

Post by David Samps » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:52:52


I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
It seems that both Sachs and Racingline produced such devices in the
past, but not any more.

Inspired by various usenet postings and web sites, I have tried wiring
up a couple of cycle computers, including a bottom-of-the-line model
from Halfords and a fancier wireless model.  The problems I have
encountered, in no particular order, are:
1. The cable generally isn't long enough; this can be overcome.
Wireless doesn't have sufficient range to mount the display on the
foot stretcher and the pick-up on the seat.
2. The wheel circumference range isn't sufficient for a single magnet
and a km/h display.
3. The display is not stable, so different rates are registered for
the drive and the recovery.  This is because the display updates at 1
Hz, which is fast compared to rowing rates.

Has anyone else encountered these problems?  And found solutions?

I wonder if anyone has tried using a pedometer such as the Silva
Pedometer Multi
http://www.silva.se/outdoor/products/acce_mped.htm
This is an accelerometer-based device that can display steps per
minute.  It costs less than 20.

David Sampson

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Grang » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:55:46


Quote:

>I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
>It seems that both Sachs and Racingline produced such devices in the
>past, but not any more.

>Inspired by various usenet postings and web sites, I have tried wiring
>up a couple of cycle computers, including a bottom-of-the-line model
>from Halfords and a fancier wireless model.  The problems I have
>encountered, in no particular order, are:
>1. The cable generally isn't long enough; this can be overcome.
>Wireless doesn't have sufficient range to mount the display on the
>foot stretcher and the pick-up on the seat.
>2. The wheel circumference range isn't sufficient for a single magnet
>and a km/h display.
>3. The display is not stable, so different rates are registered for
>the drive and the recovery.  This is because the display updates at 1
>Hz, which is fast compared to rowing rates.

>Has anyone else encountered these problems?  And found solutions?

I remember someone saying that you could mount the magnet at the
finish so that you only trigger it once each stroke, which would
presumably solve problem 3.  I've no direct experience though,
owning a speedcoach for my single - worth the investment in my
opinion.

Tim

 
 
 

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Post by Anne Roger » Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:25:31

David, I own a racing line rate meter, I decided the special offer was too
good to miss when they were selling the end of the stock. Emily and Cathy
were using it in the summer and still have it (I hope), I presume you want
to use it on Saturday, give one of them a shout and tell them to lend it to
you!

 
 
 

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Post by ehewi » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 00:55:05

take a look at cadence rowing's new ratemeter:
http://cadencerowing.com/index2k.htm

e

: David, I own a racing line rate meter, I decided the special offer was too
: good to miss when they were selling the end of the stock. Emily and Cathy
: were using it in the summer and still have it (I hope), I presume you want
: to use it on Saturday, give one of them a shout and tell them to lend it to
: you!
:
:

--
e

 
 
 

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Post by Bob McMill » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:14:13

A different type stroke meter was described here recently. I believe
it was called the cadence fc, and was $70. It mounted to the oar and
was activated by feathering.
cheers
bob
 
 
 

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Post by Neil Wallac » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:35:25


Quote:
> A different type stroke meter was described here recently. I believe
> it was called the cadence fc, and was $70. It mounted to the oar and
> was activated by feathering.
> cheers
> bob

Indeed.

I just received mine in the post this morning actually. Looks pretty neat.
I haven't tried it yet, but will report back once I have.

FWIW, I bought it after considering Caroline Smith's statement that it is
nice to know the rate even if you're sitting at 2 and the cox doesn't
care......

Neil

 
 
 

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Post by Virginia Rowin » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 03:04:11



Quote:


> > A different type stroke meter was described here recently. I believe
> > it was called the cadence fc, and was $70. It mounted to the oar and
> > was activated by feathering.
> Indeed.
> I just received mine in the post this morning actually. Looks pretty neat.
> I haven't tried it yet, but will report back once I have.
> Neil

We've used a pair of them for a couple of weeks in our small boats.  
They work fine, and are nice to keep as a backup in case a speedcoach
goes flighty.  Occasionally in a rocky pair, extra movement will
register as another feather/square action, and you can get some crazy
rates, but overall there a nice inexpensive, portable, unobtrusive
solution.
As always, YMMV.
Joel Furtek
Asst. Coach, ***ia Women's Rowing
 
 
 

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Post by Paul » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:30:32

Captain oh captain....  He'll probably be ticked, but what the heck,
it ain't my product, but it is what you are looking for.  Maybe it
would be nice if you could have found it.  Or the "anti-marketing of
useful things" hadn't made it objectionable to discuss such things.

http://www.cadencerowing.com/indexrw.htm

Cheers,
Paul Smith

Quote:

> I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
> It seems that both Sachs and Racingline produced such devices in the
> past, but not any more.

 
 
 

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Post by David Biddulp » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:50:57


Quote:
> I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
> ...
> Has anyone else encountered these problems?  And found solutions?

Try the link from Southampton ARC.  6.99
http://www.angelfire.com/sports/sarc/RATE.HTM
--
David Biddulph
Rowing web pages at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/
http://www.biddulph.org.uk/
 
 
 

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Post by Saul H. Stashowe » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:36:47

That line from the poem: "Oh Captain, My Captain, Laying dead upon the
deck."

Surely you aren't that mean?

Anyway, your post below is exactly what I was suggesting (not what I was
griping about). As usual, I was too quick to judge.

Cheers,

CaptStash....

PS: Will you be selling your wares at Tail of the Lake this weekend?

Quote:
> Captain oh captain....  He'll probably be ticked, but what the heck,
> it ain't my product, but it is what you are looking for.  Maybe it
> would be nice if you could have found it.  Or the "anti-marketing of
> useful things" hadn't made it objectionable to discuss such things.

> http://www.cadencerowing.com/indexrw.htm

> Cheers,
> Paul Smith




Quote:
> > I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
> > It seems that both Sachs and Racingline produced such devices in the
> > past, but not any more.

 
 
 

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Post by Laurence Ed » Fri, 04 Oct 2002 21:26:09

Quote:



> > I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
> > ...
> > Has anyone else encountered these problems?  And found solutions?
> Try the link from Southampton ARC.  6.99
> http://www.angelfire.com/sports/sarc/RATE.HTM
> --

I back David up - my daughter and I have fitted them to two singles for
about 12 months now and they work just fine. The only thing to watch out
for is the meter resetting itself to km/h when it's in your bag, then
giving you very strange readings as you first set off!

Laurence Edge

 
 
 

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Post by Paul » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 04:09:30

Mean? Me?  Well there are certainly a contingent of rowers out there
that might say exactly that, however I think of myself as quite
compassionate.

You must be a Northwesterner also, to be refering to Tail of the Lake.
 I will be out of town for the w/e so not in attendance there.  Do you
row for a Club?  I'm rowing out of Sammamish Rowing Assoc. and I
believe there will be a couple of our people at the race, some hoping
to do well, others hoping to finish.  [;o)

Cheers,
Paul Smith
www.ps-sport.net Home of the CBreeze - "The coolest accessory
available for the Mod C Concept 2 Indoor Rower"  (Opps, couldn't help
myself.)


Quote:
> That line from the poem: "Oh Captain, My Captain, Laying dead upon the
> deck."

> Surely you aren't that mean?

> Anyway, your post below is exactly what I was suggesting (not what I was
> griping about). As usual, I was too quick to judge.

> Cheers,

> CaptStash....

> PS: Will you be selling your wares at Tail of the Lake this weekend?


> > Captain oh captain....  He'll probably be ticked, but what the heck,
> > it ain't my product, but it is what you are looking for.  Maybe it
> > would be nice if you could have found it.  Or the "anti-marketing of
> > useful things" hadn't made it objectionable to discuss such things.

> > http://www.cadencerowing.com/indexrw.htm

> > Cheers,
> > Paul Smith



> > > I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
> > > It seems that both Sachs and Racingline produced such devices in the
> > > past, but not any more.

 
 
 

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Post by Saul H. Stashowe » Sun, 06 Oct 2002 00:03:13

Paul,

I'm at LWRC. I'll be racing in the Masters 1X and the 4X this weekend.
Expecting to do battle with Max Chickering once again.

Regards,

CaptStash....


Quote:
> Mean? Me?  Well there are certainly a contingent of rowers out there
> that might say exactly that, however I think of myself as quite
> compassionate.

> You must be a Northwesterner also, to be refering to Tail of the Lake.
>  I will be out of town for the w/e so not in attendance there.  Do you
> row for a Club?  I'm rowing out of Sammamish Rowing Assoc. and I
> believe there will be a couple of our people at the race, some hoping
> to do well, others hoping to finish.  [;o)

> Cheers,
> Paul Smith
> www.ps-sport.net Home of the CBreeze - "The coolest accessory
> available for the Mod C Concept 2 Indoor Rower"  (Opps, couldn't help
> myself.)




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Quote:
> > That line from the poem: "Oh Captain, My Captain, Laying dead upon the
> > deck."

> > Surely you aren't that mean?

> > Anyway, your post below is exactly what I was suggesting (not what I was
> > griping about). As usual, I was too quick to judge.

> > Cheers,

> > CaptStash....

> > PS: Will you be selling your wares at Tail of the Lake this weekend?


> > > Captain oh captain....  He'll probably be ticked, but what the heck,
> > > it ain't my product, but it is what you are looking for.  Maybe it
> > > would be nice if you could have found it.  Or the "anti-marketing of
> > > useful things" hadn't made it objectionable to discuss such things.

> > > http://www.cadencerowing.com/indexrw.htm

> > > Cheers,
> > > Paul Smith



> > > > I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
> > > > It seems that both Sachs and Racingline produced such devices in the
> > > > past, but not any more.

 
 
 

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Post by David Biddulp » Mon, 07 Oct 2002 04:35:46


Quote:


> > I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
> > ...
> > Has anyone else encountered these problems?  And found solutions?

> Try the link from Southampton ARC.  6.99
> http://www.angelfire.com/sports/sarc/RATE.HTM

I've now remembered that the original info from Southampton was expanded on
Ken Hastie's NRC pages at http://www.hastie.org.uk/nrc/ratemtr.html
--
David Biddulph
Rowing web pages at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/david_biddulph/
http://www.biddulph.org.uk/
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Paulso » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:12:01

And you looked sharp going across the
finish line...however, I think it will be a
while before you overcome Howat's handicap.

Steve

Quote:

> Paul,

> I'm at LWRC. I'll be racing in the Masters 1X and the 4X this weekend.
> Expecting to do battle with Max Chickering once again.

> Regards,

> CaptStash....



>>Mean? Me?  Well there are certainly a contingent of rowers out there
>>that might say exactly that, however I think of myself as quite
>>compassionate.

>>You must be a Northwesterner also, to be refering to Tail of the Lake.
>> I will be out of town for the w/e so not in attendance there.  Do you
>>row for a Club?  I'm rowing out of Sammamish Rowing Assoc. and I
>>believe there will be a couple of our people at the race, some hoping
>>to do well, others hoping to finish.  [;o)

>>Cheers,
>>Paul Smith
>>www.ps-sport.net Home of the CBreeze - "The coolest accessory
>>available for the Mod C Concept 2 Indoor Rower"  (Opps, couldn't help
>>myself.)



>>>That line from the poem: "Oh Captain, My Captain, Laying dead upon the
>>>deck."

>>>Surely you aren't that mean?

>>>Anyway, your post below is exactly what I was suggesting (not what I was
>>>griping about). As usual, I was too quick to judge.

>>>Cheers,

>>>CaptStash....

>>>PS: Will you be selling your wares at Tail of the Lake this weekend?


>>>>Captain oh captain....  He'll probably be ticked, but what the heck,
>>>>it ain't my product, but it is what you are looking for.  Maybe it
>>>>would be nice if you could have found it.  Or the "anti-marketing of
>>>>useful things" hadn't made it objectionable to discuss such things.

>>>>http://www.cadencerowing.com/indexrw.htm

>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Paul Smith



>>>>>I am looking for a simple and inexpensive rate meter, for under 50.
>>>>>It seems that both Sachs and Racingline produced such devices in the
>>>>>past, but not any more.