Scullers Head (UK) draw

Scullers Head (UK) draw

Post by chris harriso » Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:11:33


We've now published the draw for the fiftieth Scullers Head, raced for
every year since 1954

        http://www.vrc.org.uk/sh/ScullersHead2003.php

(Which includes a handful of revisions from the first version due to a
few items of crossed wires and incompetence.)

With over 700 entries this year we've had to exclude around 150 entries
so there are a large number of disappointed scullers - but it should
make for an exciting and full morning's racing on November 29th on the
Tideway in London!

 
 
 

Scullers Head (UK) draw

Post by Neil Wallac » Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:41:19


Quote:

> We've now published the draw for the fiftieth Scullers Head, raced for
> every year since 1954

> http://www.vrc.org.uk/sh/ScullersHead2003.php

Blimey - is the PM sculling?
314        TBlair              Exeter Rowing Club          MN

not a big medal hope given his recent ticker troubles....

 
 
 

Scullers Head (UK) draw

Post by Caroline Turnbu » Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:20:43

Quote:

> We've now published the draw for the fiftieth Scullers Head, raced for
> every year since 1954

>    http://www.vrc.org.uk/sh/ScullersHead2003.php

> (Which includes a handful of revisions from the first version due to a
> few items of crossed wires and incompetence.)

> With over 700 entries this year we've had to exclude around 150 entries
> so there are a large number of disappointed scullers - but it should
> make for an exciting and full morning's racing on November 29th on the
> Tideway in London!

Any theories out there as to why sculling head entries are up this
year?  We had 562 for the Weybridge Silver Sculls which was great,
though we struggled a bit with the numbers.  Could it be:

1.   Good weather all summer
2.   More people sculling rather than rowing
3.   More people wanting to race
4.   More people in the sport generally

And what are people's likes and dislikes when it comes to events?

Caroline T

 
 
 

Scullers Head (UK) draw

Post by Martin Ca » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:34:20

Quote:


> > We've now published the draw for the fiftieth Scullers Head, raced for
> > every year since 1954

> >       http://www.vrc.org.uk/sh/ScullersHead2003.php

> > (Which includes a handful of revisions from the first version due to a
> > few items of crossed wires and incompetence.)

> > With over 700 entries this year we've had to exclude around 150 entries
> > so there are a large number of disappointed scullers - but it should
> > make for an exciting and full morning's racing on November 29th on the
> > Tideway in London!

> Any theories out there as to why sculling head entries are up this
> year?  We had 562 for the Weybridge Silver Sculls which was great,
> though we struggled a bit with the numbers.  Could it be:

> 1.   Good weather all summer
> 2.   More people sculling rather than rowing
> 3.   More people wanting to race
> 4.   More people in the sport generally

> And what are people's likes and dislikes when it comes to events?

> Caroline T

Caroline

I think like most things - timing is everything. whilst I'm personally
not entirely happy with the move of the Scullers Head from its
original slot,(when you are a vet sculler - you want some incentive to
get you through the winter), I do think it fits better at this time of
year as more clubs have folk out in small boats. Perhaps post the main
Head there is not so much of an incentive to get back into a single
having probably spent a number of weeks trying to hone the boat speed
of an eight!

Whilst I nearly always enter, I have two major dislikes about the
race. One is the cost! Still seems phenominally expensive in
comparison to other tideway events. (yes, I know the PLA need their
pound of flesh to close the river but even so)

The second dislike is usually during the race at about Harrods when I
start wonder why I entered as it is beginning to hurt too much

Usually once I have finished I vow never to enter again.

Then 11 months later I've usually forgoten my vow..............

Martin Carr

 
 
 

Scullers Head (UK) draw

Post by Luke Howel » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:29:08

<snip>

Quote:

> Whilst I nearly always enter, I have two major dislikes about the
> race. One is the cost! Still seems phenominally expensive in
> comparison to other tideway events. (yes, I know the PLA need their
> pound of flesh to close the river but even so)

<snip>

> Martin Carr

Whilst I also think that 22 is somewhat of a deterrent to entering
(though it doesn't seem to put off enough people given the number that
are turned away), to be fair to the organisers, if instead of thinking
in terms of a per person fee you think of a per boat fee, the Scullers
Head is cheaper than the Fours Head - both events can accept 550
entries, but the Scullers Head only charges 22 per boat, whereas the
Fours Head charges 26 per boat - perhaps we should be asking the
organisers of the Fours Head why they need an extra 4 per boat,
especially given the generous sponsorship that they receive from
Fullers!

Luke

 
 
 

Scullers Head (UK) draw

Post by Christopher She » Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:38:07

The Fullers sponsorship covers the cost of the prize giving and the advert
in Regatta giving formal notice of the event.  Without comparing our
accounts with the Scullers Head I can only guess at the reason for the
difference in entry fees.  I would guess the fact fours are more difficult
to marshal will lead us to having higher marshalling and safety boat costs.

I can say we are an independent non profit making organisation that has had
an overall deficit the last couple of years.  It is too early to say what
the result will be this year.

Personally, knowing what is involved, I don't know how we manage to do it so
cheaply.

Christopher Francis Shea
Honorary Secretary
Head of the River Fours



Quote:

> Whilst I also think that 22 is somewhat of a deterrent to entering
> (though it doesn't seem to put off enough people given the number that
> are turned away), to be fair to the organisers, if instead of thinking
> in terms of a per person fee you think of a per boat fee, the Scullers
> Head is cheaper than the Fours Head - both events can accept 550
> entries, but the Scullers Head only charges 22 per boat, whereas the
> Fours Head charges 26 per boat - perhaps we should be asking the
> organisers of the Fours Head why they need an extra 4 per boat,
> especially given the generous sponsorship that they receive from
> Fullers!

> Luke

 
 
 

Scullers Head (UK) draw

Post by chris harriso » Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:59:35

Quote:

> Whilst I nearly always enter, I have two major dislikes about the
> race. One is the cost! Still seems phenominally expensive in
> comparison to other tideway events. (yes, I know the PLA need their
> pound of flesh to close the river but even so)

As Chris Shea manages to so succinctly say, "Personally, knowing what is
involved, I don't know how we manage to do it so cheaply."

Likewise, I know all too well what is involved. As Luke suggests, a
per-boat cost is not an unreasonable perspective to take.

Quite apart from the PLA (for closing the river), Wandsworth Borough
Council (for closing the Putney Embankment), we have all manner of
safety and equipment costs - we hire 50-odd radios amongst all the other
things! As with most events, we are not in it for the money - but while
the event costs are under-written by Vesta, the club is unwilling to
soak up a loss. Why should it, after all? It's not as if running the
event has any particular kudos or financial advantage. (Unless you
include the bar takings while we artificially hold back the publication
of the results :-D )

Twenty two quid is expensive. I'll readily admit it. I'd love to offer
the chance to offer the race at half that - but the race would be dead
by next year. We don't raise the fee lightly.

And that's before we start considering the amount of time that a whole
band of people put in, both before and on the day.

chris harrison, entries secretary, the scullers head. (and number 72 in
this year's race.)