New U. of Tennessee boat house

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Bill & Kelly Peterso » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:12:02


The U. of Tennessee has a new boat house on the Tennessee River and I am
wondering if it is as good as they say it is.  I know nothing about rowing,
but am curious.  From the below article and photos, does this look like a
big-time facility?  Thanks for any information and insight.  Also, any
suggestions would be appreciated.

http://ath.utk.edu/womens/rw00-01/boathouse/boathouse.html

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Ewoud Dronker » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:26:12


Quote:
> I know nothing about rowing

Yet you find all sorts of obscure websites about UoT crew, and you found the
rsr newsgroup. So why do you ask? Your daughter, who is in the crew program,
forwarded the links? Funny, there are a few others here; you could start
your own rec.sport.rowing.mums :) If you want to know why your child only
talks about rowing now, best thing is probably to try out an introductory
program at a local rowing club. Nothing like experiencing it yourself!

Ewoud

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by jr.. » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:47:15

Very nice facility, well worth bragging about.

As for the Head of the Charles result, UT would have finished 27th in
the Championship 8, where most NCAA Division I varsities rowed. Nice
to have the win though, and  without knowing more about the squad the
casual observer would be remiss in second-guessing the coach for
entering the Club 8.

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:12:02 -0400, "Bill & Kelly Peterson"

Quote:

>The U. of Tennessee has a new boat house on the Tennessee River and I am
>wondering if it is as good as they say it is.  I know nothing about rowing,
>but am curious.  From the below article and photos, does this look like a
>big-time facility?  Thanks for any information and insight.  Also, any
>suggestions would be appreciated.

>http://ath.utk.edu/womens/rw00-01/boathouse/boathouse.html


 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Henning Lippk » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:56:50

Quote:
> The U. of Tennessee has a new boat house on the Tennessee River and I am
> wondering if it is as good as they say it is.

'Size isn't everything' was the first I had in mind when looking at the photos. To me it looks like a sort of
'industrial rowing'. Maybe it's good, but don't be blinded by the huge facilities.

-HL

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Bill & Kelly Peterso » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:56:21

These links aren't *that* obscure.  Any moron could find the rsr newsgroup.
And if I had a question about fencing, I'm sure there's an rsf I could
visit.  Unfortunately, one thing I've discovered is that the more obscure
the sport, the more snobbish the members of the newsgroup are.  They often
consider themselves above having to lower themselves to answer questions
they consider basic to a newcomer to that sport.

The UT rowing website is on the utladyvols.com website, which I visit daily.
So it's not obscure to me at least.  I have no kids and do not know anybody
connected with the program.  I've actually been AGAINST our having a rowing
program at Tennessee.  I think they started the program just to help with
the gender equity situation.  I don't think they're really serious about the
sport.  Here we have this huge athletic budget of over $55 million/year, a
new boathouse, a qualified coach (I guess she's qualified), but our crew is
awful.  So, no, I'm not trying to "promote" our program here on rsr.  If
that were the case, I'd have been here a long time ago.  I'm just trying to
learn about the sport and to see if we are doing things the way they should
be done.

Bill


Quote:

> > I know nothing about rowing

> Yet you find all sorts of obscure websites about UoT crew, and you found
the
> rsr newsgroup. So why do you ask? Your daughter, who is in the crew
program,
> forwarded the links? Funny, there are a few others here; you could start
> your own rec.sport.rowing.mums :) If you want to know why your child only
> talks about rowing now, best thing is probably to try out an introductory
> program at a local rowing club. Nothing like experiencing it yourself!

> Ewoud

 
 
 

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Post by Michael Sulliva » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:08:55


Quote:

> These links aren't *that* obscure.  Any moron could find the rsr newsgroup.

we've been remarkably moron-free lately. damn

Quote:
> And if I had a question about fencing, I'm sure there's an rsf I could
> visit.  Unfortunately, one thing I've discovered is that the more obscure
> the sport, the more snobbish the members of the newsgroup are.  They often
> consider themselves above having to lower themselves to answer questions
> they consider basic to a newcomer to that sport.

I'm sure some obscure sports enthusiasts get as defensive
as sports fans of obscure colleges like, oh... UT.

Rowing is pretty obscure in backwards areas of the USA and
third world countries.

We are very friendly and helpful to newcomers to our sport.
I intro new people to the sport twice a week at our local
club, and RSR is very helpful to people with sincere questions.

Quote:

> The UT rowing website is on the utladyvols.com website, which I visit daily.
> So it's not obscure to me at least.  I have no kids and do not know anybody
> connected with the program.  I've actually been AGAINST our having a rowing
> program at Tennessee.  I think they started the program just to help with
> the gender equity situation.  I don't think they're really serious about the

That situation is called Title IX, forced down the throats
of bloated professional athletic promotional organizations that pose as
educational institutions.  Actually, it's not forced on them,
it just says they don't get fed money if they don't comply.

Quote:
> sport.  Here we have this huge athletic budget of over $55 million/year, a
> new boathouse, a qualified coach (I guess she's qualified), but our crew is
> awful.  So, no, I'm not trying to "promote" our program here on rsr.  If

this is why Ewoud so brilliantly asked you the question.  
You asked about UT's 'successes' while already making up your
mind that their program 'sucks'.  You're mining for a quote from
a rower on RSR so you could win a six pack of Schaefers from
your TV watching football bosom buddy.  

Quote:
> that were the case, I'd have been here a long time ago.  I'm just trying to
> learn about the sport and to see if we are doing things the way they should
> be done.

bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.
Mike
 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Lin DeNoy » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:26:08

Quote:
>bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.

Bill Peterson is a U of T graduate - was captain of
the rugby team in 1976.  He is active in the "Old
Boys" club, and works to get scholarships for rugby
players.

Perhaps he believes the money spent on a new boathouse,
and scholarships for women, righfully belongs to
the rugby crowd.

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Walter Martindal » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:46:41

Gotta admit - one heck of a boathouse.
Applied for the Assistant Coaching job at UT Knoxville in 1995 (I think)
but I guess they got tired of playing phone tag with me.  Pity.
Walter
.
Quote:

> >bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.

> Bill Peterson is a U of T graduate - was captain of
> the rugby team in 1976.  He is active in the "Old
> Boys" club, and works to get scholarships for rugby
> players.

> Perhaps he believes the money spent on a new boathouse,
> and scholarships for women, righfully belongs to
> the rugby crowd.

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Ewoud Dronker » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:45:15

Quote:


> > bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.

> Bill Peterson [...] works to get scholarships for rugby players.
> Perhaps he believes the money spent on a new boathouse, and
> scholarships for women, righfully belongs to the rugby crowd.

Damn. Worse than trolling. He's a mole! Get'm back under the grass of the
rugby field!!
 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Bill & Kelly Peterso » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:14:56

Here we go!  Flame war!  Tit for tat!  NOT!  I will say that in your post
you demonstated a profound ignorance and prejudice regarding the state and
University of Tennessee, the UT athletic program, and beer here in the
South.  Plus, you misquoted me (I never said "sucks") and stooped so low as
to use profanity in your post.  Finally, you falsely accused me of
"trolling," which is the last thing I was doing.  At least you left out the
rugby reference.  I know less about rugby than I do rowing.  I'm a supporter
of women's athletics (and Title IX), but like I said, I feel that rowing was
started here to bring in the most female scholarship athletes as cheaply as
possible.  I would have preferred gymnastics, field hockey, and/or
lacrosse -- sports I refer to as "legitimate" sports.  These are sports that
people actually give a shit about -- unlike rowing.  You've sold me on
rowing, Mike, being bad for UT.  You're a hell of an ambassador for the
sport.

Bill


Quote:

> > These links aren't *that* obscure.  Any moron could find the rsr
newsgroup.

> we've been remarkably moron-free lately. damn

> > And if I had a question about fencing, I'm sure there's an rsf I could
> > visit.  Unfortunately, one thing I've discovered is that the more
obscure
> > the sport, the more snobbish the members of the newsgroup are.  They
often
> > consider themselves above having to lower themselves to answer questions
> > they consider basic to a newcomer to that sport.

> I'm sure some obscure sports enthusiasts get as defensive
> as sports fans of obscure colleges like, oh... UT.

> Rowing is pretty obscure in backwards areas of the USA and
> third world countries.

> We are very friendly and helpful to newcomers to our sport.
> I intro new people to the sport twice a week at our local
> club, and RSR is very helpful to people with sincere questions.

> > The UT rowing website is on the utladyvols.com website, which I visit
daily.
> > So it's not obscure to me at least.  I have no kids and do not know
anybody
> > connected with the program.  I've actually been AGAINST our having a
rowing
> > program at Tennessee.  I think they started the program just to help
with
> > the gender equity situation.  I don't think they're really serious about
the

> That situation is called Title IX, forced down the throats
> of bloated professional athletic promotional organizations that pose as
> educational institutions.  Actually, it's not forced on them,
> it just says they don't get fed money if they don't comply.

> > sport.  Here we have this huge athletic budget of over $55 million/year,
a
> > new boathouse, a qualified coach (I guess she's qualified), but our crew
is
> > awful.  So, no, I'm not trying to "promote" our program here on rsr.  If

> this is why Ewoud so brilliantly asked you the question.
> You asked about UT's 'successes' while already making up your
> mind that their program 'sucks'.  You're mining for a quote from
> a rower on RSR so you could win a six pack of Schaefers from
> your TV watching football bosom buddy.

> > that were the case, I'd have been here a long time ago.  I'm just trying
to
> > learn about the sport and to see if we are doing things the way they
should
> > be done.

> bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.
> Mike

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Bill & Kelly Peterso » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:17:53

You're right, Lin.  Rugby is a huge sport here in Knoxville.  Long live the
UT rugby team!


Quote:

> >bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.

> Bill Peterson is a U of T graduate - was captain of
> the rugby team in 1976.  He is active in the "Old
> Boys" club, and works to get scholarships for rugby
> players.

> Perhaps he believes the money spent on a new boathouse,
> and scholarships for women, righfully belongs to
> the rugby crowd.

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Ewoud Dronker » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:18:59


Quote:
> gymnastics, field hockey, and/or lacrosse -- sports I refer
> to as "legitimate" sports.  These are sports that people actually
> give a shit about -- unlike rowing.

Rriiight. Please go away.
 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Bill & Kelly Peterso » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:27:53

Have fun rowing, E.  Just remember:  nobody is watching and nobody gives a
shit.

With that, I'll take a leave from this newsgroup until I need some info on
this "sport."

Bill


Quote:


> > > bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.

> > Bill Peterson [...] works to get scholarships for rugby players.
> > Perhaps he believes the money spent on a new boathouse, and
> > scholarships for women, righfully belongs to the rugby crowd.

> Damn. Worse than trolling. He's a mole! Get'm back under the grass of the
> rugby field!!

 
 
 

New U. of Tennessee boat house

Post by Carl Dougla » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:27:26


Quote:

>>bullshit, Bill.  You're trolling.

>Bill Peterson is a U of T graduate - was captain of
>the rugby team in 1976.  He is active in the "Old
>Boys" club, and works to get scholarships for rugby
>players.

>Perhaps he believes the money spent on a new boathouse,
>and scholarships for women, righfully belongs to
>the rugby crowd.

I think Bill's intrigued by what he's seen of rowing, is maybe a tad
unsure about rowing people, & so he took the blunt approach to see what
that flushes out.  I'm not sure we do best to question his motives, or
to take him head-on.  Bill wants to know more.  We want more folk
rowing.  Let's try to help him.

Bill, crew rowing is one of the oldest (c3000 years), cleanest, most
demanding & best of all-body sports.  A lot of rugby players row, &
vice-versa.  Rowing demands all & more of the sheer guts that rugby
requires, but - being generally non-contact - is by far less injurious
than your glorious game.  No broken bones, cauliflower ears &
concussion, & relatively less ***.  But any amount of pain (if that's
your thing), exhaustion & endurance.  And when you win in a shell,
believe me, the 'buzz' is every bit as good!

Rowing is even more about team-work than any field game - & in rowing,
even among the far from best, there is a developed power, precision &
aggression which no sport can surpass.  Rowing has no place for the
flashy shirker, & minimal chances for stardom or riches.  It just
doesn't work that way.  When you've rowed with someone for a while
you'll each know about never letting the other guy down, & you'll find
you can rely on them for life.  Rowing imposes that kind of test, & the
trashy ones don't pass it.  My enquiries of many sources over many years
also indicate both a low criminality among rowers & ex-rowers & a
significant influence for good citizenship among those who get sucked
into rowing.

As with rugby clubs, there are good, & less good, rowing clubs.  The
success of a club depends far more upon the attitude & hard work of its
members than on its equipment & facilities (who'd think a boatbuilder
was saying that!?).  Rowing, if well managed & fully utilised, gives
very cheap per-capita sport - the water is usually free or cheap; the
boats, if cared for, last almost indefinitely; & well-instructed crews
need relatively little supervision.

The best way to find what rowing asks, & what it gives in return, is to
try it.  You rugby players, if you have much ambition, all know about
rowing machines.  But that's a mere introduction to rowing.  Rowing in a
shell adds about another 50 missing factors.  I'm sure that any club
would welcome you.  So why not swallow those misgivings &, in the cause
of research, visit your nearest club, tell them your objectives & get
out in a boat a dozen times?  But don't blame me if you get the bug.

Good luck!
Cheers -
Carl

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Post by Michael Sulliva » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:59:49


Quote:

> Here we go!  Flame war!  Tit for tat!  NOT!  I will say that in your post
> you demonstated a profound ignorance and prejudice regarding the state and
> University of Tennessee, the UT athletic program, and beer here in the
> South.  Plus, you misquoted me (I never said "sucks") and stooped so low as

prejudice, yes, ignorance no. Is UT accredited now?
bulls eye with the Shaeffers, huh?  

and yes, I stand corrected, you said 'awful'.  I tried to
draw an alliteration to success, illiterate little ***
that I am.  BTW, 'damn' is not profane.  

Quote:
> to use profanity in your post.  Finally, you falsely accused me of
> "trolling," which is the last thing I was doing.  At least you left out the

true. The first question sounded like a legit honest
query.  You descended to trolling pretty quickly
however, something I've missed in RSR for quite
some time.

Quote:
> rugby reference.  I know less about rugby than I do rowing.  I'm a supporter
> of women's athletics (and Title IX), but like I said, I feel that rowing was

which is why you asked(guffaw).  I left out the rugby ref
because I didn't know until Lin said so.  I was
pretty damned close with football and beer, though.

By the way, Rugby's a damned cool sport, have always liked it.
I like the part where you pants each other and sing
profane songs at .30 *** level.

Round and round with that big f'g wheel
in and out with that great......      

Quote:
> started here to bring in the most female scholarship athletes as cheaply as
> possible.  I would have preferred gymnastics, field hockey, and/or
> lacrosse -- sports I refer to as "legitimate" sports.  These are sports that
> people actually give a shit about -- unlike rowing.  You've sold me on

that's why there are so many women who pursue gymnastics,
field hockey, and lacrosse well into their 50s and 60s.....LOL.

Quote:
> rowing, Mike, being bad for UT.  You're a hell of an ambassador for the
> sport.

Put down the beers, Bill, or have the the common courtesy to
give me a few hours to pound some down and catch up.
I am not the Ambassador to Rowing, but the
Lord High Executioner.

Rowing IS bad for UT, by the way. It would be a bad
influence on UT grads to have something to do after
college besides sell fireworks out of their trailers.

Mike(flames r us)  :^)