by Kit » Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:47:34
http://www.waltonrowingclub.co.uk/latest/wsbh-start-order-2009.html
No move to Dorney this year & all cheques will be destroyed.
So, you lucky people, an extra hour in bed dreaming of how you would
have beaten all-comers with your magnificently powerful yet
surprisingly smooth technique.
Kit
by carolinet » Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:55:26
Hopefully the waters will have receded by 23rd January so you can all
take part in the Weybridge Winter Head - same reach, opposite
direction. Lots of events in doubles, quads, fours and eights. No
single sculls though, bearing in mind the usual weather and water
conditions in January.
Details here www.weybridge.rowing.org.uk/winterhead.htm
Caroline
by Carl Dougla » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:38:59
> Hopefully the waters will have receded by 23rd January so you can all
> take part in the Weybridge Winter Head - same reach, opposite
> direction. Lots of events in doubles, quads, fours and eights. No
> single sculls though, bearing in mind the usual weather and water
> conditions in January.
> Details here www.weybridge.rowing.org.uk/winterhead.htm
> Caroline
Does anyone have a year-by-year record of cancellations for all events
due to stream conditions?
It is my growing impression that there has been an upward trend in the
number of event cancellations over the years, but I can't put my finger
on the data.
TIA -
Carl
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by pdb » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:01:17
> > Hopefully the waters will have receded by 23rd January so you can all
> > take part in the Weybridge Winter Head - same reach, opposite
> > direction. ?Lots of events in doubles, quads, fours and eights. ?No
> > single sculls though, bearing in mind the usual weather and water
> > conditions in January.
> > Details herewww.weybridge.rowing.org.uk/winterhead.htm
> > Caroline
> On a separate line of thought, in this very Thames/UK-centric thread:
> Does anyone have a year-by-year record of cancellations for all events
> due to stream conditions?
> It is my growing impression that there has been an upward trend in the
> number of event cancellations over the years, but I can't put my finger
> on the data.
> TIA -
> Carl
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by Christopher Anto » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:34:52
>> Caroline
> On a separate line of thought, in this very Thames/UK-centric thread:
> Does anyone have a year-by-year record of cancellations for all events due
> to stream conditions?
> It is my growing impression that there has been an upward trend in the
> number of event cancellations over the years, but I can't put my finger on
> the data.
> TIA -
> Carl
by carolinet » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:23:41
2008 was the worst summer I remember, with lots of regattas being
cancelled, including Weybridge Ladies and Walton & Weybridge.
Caroline
by Carl Dougla » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:05:18
> 2008 was the worst summer I remember, with lots of regattas being
> cancelled, including Weybridge Ladies and Walton & Weybridge.
> Caroline
Cheers -
Carl
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by Kit » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:54:59
> > Hopefully the waters will have receded by 23rd January so you can all
> > take part in the Weybridge Winter Head - same reach, opposite
> > direction. ?Lots of events in doubles, quads, fours and eights. ?No
> > single sculls though, bearing in mind the usual weather and water
> > conditions in January.
> > Details herewww.weybridge.rowing.org.uk/winterhead.htm
> > Caroline
> On a separate line of thought, in this very Thames/UK-centric thread:
> Does anyone have a year-by-year record of cancellations for all events
> due to stream conditions?
> It is my growing impression that there has been an upward trend in the
> number of event cancellations over the years, but I can't put my finger
> on the data.
> TIA -
> Carl
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> ? ? ?Fine Small-Boats/AeRoWing Low-drag Riggers/Advanced Accessories
> Write: ? Harris Boatyard, Laleham Reach, Chertsey KT16 8RP, UK
> Find: ? ?http://tinyurl.com/2tqujf
> URLs: ?www.carldouglas.co.uk(boats) &www.aerowing.co.uk(riggers)
But I don't know how this compares with, say, 30-40 years ago.
Kit
by David Biddulp » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:30:32
> > Does anyone have a year-by-year record of cancellations for all events
> > due to stream conditions?
> > It is my growing impression that there has been an upward trend in the
> > number of event cancellations over the years, but I can't put my finger
> > on the data.
> > TIA -
> > Carl
> Walton has suffered a bit in recent years. We went through several
> years without being able to hold it and I cannot find results for 2000
> - 2002 so I think that may have been it. Also 2006 is missing. I am
> only going on availability of results, mind.
> But I don't know how this compares with, say, 30-40 years ago.
> Kit
Further back from that it might be a case of trawling through Almanacks as a
Christmas break project.
As far as your Walton SBH questions are concerned, Kit, 2000 & 2001 were
cancelled, 2002 was postponed to Jan 2003 but cancelled then, and 2006 was
cancelled.
Going back 30 - 40 years I certainly don't remember the river being
unrowable very often, but of course for the effect on head races there were
nothing like as many heads 40 years ago as there are now. Walton SBH, for
example, started in 1978, and is older than many events in the current
calendar.
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http://www.biddulph.org.uk/
by Kit » Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:01:02
> > > On a separate line of thought, in this very Thames/UK-centric thread:
> > > Does anyone have a year-by-year record of cancellations for all events
> > > due to stream conditions?
> > > It is my growing impression that there has been an upward trend in the
> > > number of event cancellations over the years, but I can't put my finger
> > > on the data.
> > > TIA -
> > > Carl
> > Walton has suffered a bit in recent years. We went through several
> > years without being able to hold it and I cannot find results for 2000
> > - 2002 so I think that may have been it. Also 2006 is missing. I am
> > only going on availability of results, mind.
> > But I don't know how this compares with, say, 30-40 years ago.
> > Kit
> One place to look for data is the usually unreliable source:http://www.rowing.biddulph.btinternet.co.uk/rowing.htm#calendars
> Further back from that it might be a case of trawling through Almanacks as a
> Christmas break project.
> As far as your Walton SBH questions are concerned, Kit, 2000 & 2001 were
> cancelled, 2002 was postponed to Jan 2003 but cancelled then, and 2006 was
> cancelled.
> Going back 30 - 40 years I certainly don't remember the river being
> unrowable very often, but of course for the effect on head races there were
> nothing like as many heads 40 years ago as there are now. ?Walton SBH, for
> example, started in 1978, and is older than many events in the current
> calendar.
> --
> David Biddulph
> Rowing web pages athttp://www.biddulph.org.uk/
by carolinet » Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:45:57
Caroline
by Andy McKenzi » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:09:48
There are 15 years when there are more than 40 days (against an
average of 25 days) with flow >200 m3/sec - 1883 , 1903, 1910, 1912,
1915, 1916, 1919, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1936, 1937, 1951,
1960, 1995, 2000, 2001 and 2007. 1915, 1961 and 1951 top this
particular league table. The 1960s, 1970s and 1980s were notable in
that it was a period without many hydrological extremes, (drought and
flood in 1976 excepted!) . This pattern of quiescence in the hydrology
of SE England at this time has been recognised in other datasets.
The dataset doesn't support a hypothesis that high flows are
increasing overall, and in fact you would probably have suffered more
if you had been rowing in the 1920s - pity the rower who started a
competitive career in 1924!. In fact the 1910-1930 period is the only
decade in the record when there were never less than 10 high flow days
a year.
It does suggest that many current veterans will have learnt to row
during a period when the number of high flow days was generally low. I
am sure thatthis is coupled with an increase in risk aversion on the
part of organisers, and perhaps less opportunity to reschedule events
in a more complex world!
Andy McKenzie
by Carl Dougla » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:13:00
> There are 15 years when there are more than 40 days (against an
> average of 25 days) with flow >200 m3/sec - 1883 , 1903, 1910, 1912,
> 1915, 1916, 1919, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1936, 1937, 1951,
> 1960, 1995, 2000, 2001 and 2007. 1915, 1961 and 1951 top this
> particular league table. The 1960s, 1970s and 1980s were notable in
> that it was a period without many hydrological extremes, (drought and
> flood in 1976 excepted!) . This pattern of quiescence in the hydrology
> of SE England at this time has been recognised in other datasets.
> The dataset doesn't support a hypothesis that high flows are
> increasing overall, and in fact you would probably have suffered more
> if you had been rowing in the 1920s - pity the rower who started a
> competitive career in 1924!. In fact the 1910-1930 period is the only
> decade in the record when there were never less than 10 high flow days
> a year.
> It does suggest that many current veterans will have learnt to row
> during a period when the number of high flow days was generally low. I
> am sure thatthis is coupled with an increase in risk aversion on the
> part of organisers, and perhaps less opportunity to reschedule events
> in a more complex world!
> Andy McKenzie
That is most informative, for which many thanks! Interesting in what it
tells us and also in what, by its very nature, it leaves out.
Thus years 1894, 1947 & 2003 do not feature in your selection, although
these saw the worst Thames floods on easily accessible record.
Clearly there may be a number of weekends in any year during which flows
are considered high or too high for rowing, but the incidence of such
may bear no relation to whether that year also had exceptional peak
flows. For a brief view of the historical perspective, it is worth reading:
http://www.eng.ox.ac.uk/samp/slides/OxJan08-MarshTerry.pdf
The period 1091 to 1093 might have been bad for rowing events ;)
I can recall a Weybridge Silver Sculls when there was so much stream
that it was somewhat dodgy racing up through the old Walton Bridge,
indeed there was a fair bit of chaos after one sculler got it wrong
under the narrow arch.
I have a feeling that more events do get cancelled now under conditions
where once they'd have been raced - not so long back we didn't have red
& yellow boarding. It is not always clear that the risks are really
that high, & the flow speeds when cancellations of upriver events, &
upriver training in general, occur are often slower than on the Tideway
with a good ebb running - at which times a lot of upriver crews descend
on the Tideway for training.
Carl
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by Christopher Anto » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:32:36
> There are 15 years when there are more than 40 days (against an
> average of 25 days) with flow >200 m3/sec - 1883 , 1903, 1910, 1912,
> 1915, 1916, 1919, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1936, 1937, 1951,
> 1960, 1995, 2000, 2001 and 2007. 1915, 1961 and 1951 top this
> particular league table. The 1960s, 1970s and 1980s were notable in
> that it was a period without many hydrological extremes, (drought and
> flood in 1976 excepted!) . This pattern of quiescence in the hydrology
> of SE England at this time has been recognised in other datasets.
> The dataset doesn't support a hypothesis that high flows are
> increasing overall, and in fact you would probably have suffered more
> if you had been rowing in the 1920s - pity the rower who started a
> competitive career in 1924!. In fact the 1910-1930 period is the only
> decade in the record when there were never less than 10 high flow days
> a year.
> It does suggest that many current veterans will have learnt to row
> during a period when the number of high flow days was generally low. I
> am sure thatthis is coupled with an increase in risk aversion on the
> part of organisers, and perhaps less opportunity to reschedule events
> in a more complex world!
> Andy McKenzie
2000s 3 (out of 7)
1990s 4
1980s 4
1970s 4
1960s 5
1950s 4
So the 2000s doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary. Of course the west
might have been wetter.
by Christopher Anto » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:04:16
>> There are 15 years when there are more than 40 days (against an
>> average of 25 days) with flow >200 m3/sec - 1883 , 1903, 1910, 1912,
>> 1915, 1916, 1919, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1936, 1937, 1951,
>> 1960, 1995, 2000, 2001 and 2007. 1915, 1961 and 1951 top this
>> particular league table. The 1960s, 1970s and 1980s were notable in
>> that it was a period without many hydrological extremes, (drought and
>> flood in 1976 excepted!) . This pattern of quiescence in the hydrology
>> of SE England at this time has been recognised in other datasets.
>> The dataset doesn't support a hypothesis that high flows are
>> increasing overall, and in fact you would probably have suffered more
>> if you had been rowing in the 1920s - pity the rower who started a
>> competitive career in 1924!. In fact the 1910-1930 period is the only
>> decade in the record when there were never less than 10 high flow days
>> a year.
>> It does suggest that many current veterans will have learnt to row
>> during a period when the number of high flow days was generally low. I
>> am sure thatthis is coupled with an increase in risk aversion on the
>> part of organisers, and perhaps less opportunity to reschedule events
>> in a more complex world!
>> Andy McKenzie
> Andy -
> That is most informative, for which many thanks! Interesting in what it
> tells us and also in what, by its very nature, it leaves out.
> Thus years 1894, 1947 & 2003 do not feature in your selection, although
> these saw the worst Thames floods on easily accessible record.
> Clearly there may be a number of weekends in any year during which flows
> are considered high or too high for rowing, but the incidence of such may
> bear no relation to whether that year also had exceptional peak flows.
> For a brief view of the historical perspective, it is worth reading:
> http://www.eng.ox.ac.uk/samp/slides/OxJan08-MarshTerry.pdf
> The period 1091 to 1093 might have been bad for rowing events ;)
> I can recall a Weybridge Silver Sculls when there was so much stream that
> it was somewhat dodgy racing up through the old Walton Bridge, indeed
> there was a fair bit of chaos after one sculler got it wrong under the
> narrow arch.
> I have a feeling that more events do get cancelled now under conditions
> where once they'd have been raced - not so long back we didn't have red &
> yellow boarding. It is not always clear that the risks are really that
> high, & the flow speeds when cancellations of upriver events, & upriver
> training in general, occur are often slower than on the Tideway with a
> good ebb running - at which times a lot of upriver crews descend on the
> Tideway for training.
> Carl
> --