Rule changes for Henley women's

Rule changes for Henley women's

Post by liz » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:47:19


I've heard mutterings that there will be rule changes for HWR this year,
specifically round the club eights event - with no previous winners of
either HWR or nat champs allowed to enter. Has anyone seen or heard anything
concrete on this yet??

liz

 
 
 

Rule changes for Henley women's

Post by Liz Nixo » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 18:27:20



Quote:
> I've heard mutterings that there will be rule changes for HWR this
year,
> specifically round the club eights event - with no previous winners of
> either HWR or nat champs allowed to enter. Has anyone seen or heard
anything
> concrete on this yet??

> liz

There's an add in the latest Regatta.  Haven't got it in front of me,
but it's along the lines of club events, no current squad, no past
internationals, no past winners of open events at HWR etc

Liz

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Post by jamesel.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:04:46

Quote:
> There's an add in the latest Regatta.  Haven't got it in front of me,
> but it's along the lines of club events, no current squad, no past
> internationals, no past winners of open events at HWR etc

Have it on front of me now:

'Additional Rule for Club Eights and Fours

No crew entered for these events shall contain any oarswoman who has
represented her country in any Olympic Games, Senior World
Championship, World Cup, World University Championship, Nations Cup or
won an Open Event at HWR in the last 5 years.  The points total for a
crew entered in the Club Eights event shall not exceed 48 points and in
the Club Fours event shall not exceed 24 points as at 31st March 2001'

I suspect that the change was at least partly influenced by last year's
winning QT VIII, which had the GB VIII spare pair in the middle of the
boat (in their first race for QT, too).  I'm almost certain that Bev
and C***te had both rowed internationally prior to this.  This was
completely within the rules as they were, but arguably slightly against
the spirit of them - but then I'm biased, as I was coxing the Thames
crew that lost to them by 3 feet in the final.

To be honest, I think the big change that is needed to protect Club
events (and it would best be made by the ARA, not individual events) is
to limit the number of clubs someone can race for in one season, or
perhaps to introduce a qualifying period of membership (like Henley
Royal has) before one is eligible to race for a club.

Something is needed to end the mockery of internationals/top athletes
banding together under one flag of convenience for an event (eg Marlow
in the Head last year, though Thames has been just as culpable in the
past), walking off with the Club pennant, and then returning to the
fold of their 'home' club.  (Ditto with Marlow: I'm sure that crew was
entirely signed up as Marlow members, but it was not a Club crew in
spirit)

Composites should race as composites; club events/pennants should be
reserved for true club crews.  (NB If a Club has nine internationals
and can get them out in a Head crew, then that's a different story)

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Post by Ewoud Dronker » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:40:17

Quote:

> 'Additional Rule for Club Eights and Fours
> No crew entered for these events shall contain any oarswoman who has
> represented her country in any Olympic Games, Senior World
> Championship, World Cup, World University Championship, Nations Cup or
> won an Open Event at HWR in the last 5 years.

Curious; would that mean "not won HWR in last 5 years and not ever
represented her country" or "not represented her country in last 5 years,
nor won HWR in last 5 years"?

Ewoud
Holland

 
 
 

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Post by wilb.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:59:24

I would agree with the introduction of a qualifying period of
membership especially as that would be the simplest option.

Something is needed to end the mockery of internationals/top athletes
banding together under one flag of convenience for an event (eg Marlow
in the Head last year, though Thames has been just as culpable in the
past), walking off with the Club pennant, and then returning to the
fold of their 'home' club.  (Ditto with Marlow: I'm sure that crew was
entirely signed up as Marlow members, but it was not a Club crew in
spirit)

Quote:
> Composites should race as composites; club events/pennants should be
> reserved for true club crews.  (NB If a Club has nine internationals
> and can get them out in a Head crew, then that's a different story)

Again I would agree with whats been said. In addition there needs to be
events for these crews, much along the lines of the mens evens at
Henley Royal.

I would suggest the following:

1) Top level: International, the very best that can be found, basically
GB squad, composites and what ever.

2) Top Club/university: would be designed for guenuine clubs or
universities to send the best athletes they have. This would allow the
big clubs to send there serious amateur crew to compete against each
other, eg the level that are in the top 25 at WHORR (excluding squad).
These may not be the biggest events but I dont think that matters.
Composites would be allowed but only encouraged from the smaller clubs
that have a individuals to good for the level 3. I dont know if
universities should compete against clubs or not. Provided the standard
proves to be similar I would recommend they race against each other.

3) College and lesser club crews.

College and lesser club crew. Basically the college events as they are
with the addition of a Club counterpart. The club level events would be
designed at providing an event for smaller clubs main crews that are
not up to level two and development crews for the big clubs. I would
choose to have rowers pass up to the level above quite quickly, so put
a points limit on this level, and other limits such as no GB juniors or
previous finalists at this level.

4) Junior.  Though this standard could be higher than level 3 but that
does not matter.

I admit that I have not explained how the qualification rules work, or
how to make sure big clubs can still enter into the small events fairly
(you cant just penalise a club for producing good rowers) but you can
see the event I am trying to recommend.

The other counter arguement is that there simply isnt enough racing
time in the day to contain the increased entry that would result. The
answer to that would be to either do a qualifying head like HRR or do
heats for the very popular events. They would have to be close to the
Regata and say the weekend before. I am told that Marlow and Reading
Am were used for this purpose. Marlow is the same day as WHR but
Reading Am would be fine and the sunday of the Regatta has the spare
capacity (I feel I should say here that I do help at Reading Am, but I
am not just trying to find a way of getting extra entries). The foreign
crew that come over would be preselected to go straight to the regatta,
I would be a bit tough to come and fail to qualify to even get to the
regatta, however the stewards of WHR would have to be satisfied that
those crews would be good enough to jump qualifying. The rest of the
clubs and universities (other than those deemed to be of sufficient
standard to go straight through) would race it out for the remaining
places.

As for boat classes I believe that the regatta should mainly
concentrate on a very high standard in the small boats leaving room for
a larger number of big boat crews of a lower level. I must admit I have
only seen the regatta once(last year), but it did seem that the
standard was quite variable and the numbers could be reduced without
denying anybody a chance to put in a competitive performance. If I am
wrong on this matter I would recommend that more qualifying would have
to be undertaken.

Alex Wilbey (Reading RC)

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Post by Gareth Wyn » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:23:11

I assume the former.  Good to see a Dutchman correcting/ questioning the
grammar of the Henley Stewards. :0)  So many organizations get too tied up
in trying to sound correct and end up writing ambiguous drivel.  A dangerous
thing yo do in these litigious times.
G

Quote:

> > 'Additional Rule for Club Eights and Fours
> > No crew entered for these events shall contain any oarswoman who has
> > represented her country in any Olympic Games, Senior World
> > Championship, World Cup, World University Championship, Nations Cup or
> > won an Open Event at HWR in the last 5 years.

> Curious; would that mean "not won HWR in last 5 years and not ever
> represented her country" or "not represented her country in last 5 years,
> nor won HWR in last 5 years"?

> Ewoud
> Holland

 
 
 

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Post by j.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:41:43

: I assume the former.  Good to see a Dutchman correcting/ questioning the
: grammar of the Henley Stewards.

Henley Stewards have nothing whatsoever to do with HWR. IIRC they won't
even let HWR have access to the river near the HRR grandstands.
Although that could be wrong.

Jon

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Post by jamesel.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:46:15

I would agree that they probably mean the former, but they certainly
are guilty of ambiguity.

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Post by david.hender.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:51:38



Quote:
> Good to see a Dutchman correcting/ questioning the grammar of the
> Henley Stewards. :0)

If the Henley Stewards made the rules for HWR, rule one would be 'the
regatta will take place on the first weekend following the next Blue
Moon'

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Post by liz.. » Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:48:56

(snip)

Quote:
> Henley Stewards have nothing whatsoever to do with HWR. IIRC they
won't
> even let HWR have access to the river near the HRR grandstands.
>Although that could be wrong.

you're not wrong, although the ruling itself is a bit dubious.
apparently they don't want all us dreadful wimmin in out high heels
runing the grass in Stewards before the "real" regatta. Though I fail
to see how this is connected with using the bit of river next to
stewards as one can't get into the enclosure bit anyway.

Mind you are there actually any women out there who really want to have
to row the full HRR course??

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Post by j.. » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:11:49

: Mind you are there actually any women out there who really want to have
: to row the full HRR course??

Just think of the close races that might have gone the other way had
they raced the full HRR course...

Jon

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Post by J. Benedi » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:17:26

Quote:


> : Mind you are there actually any women out there who really want to have
> : to row the full HRR course??

> Just think of the close races that might have gone the other way had
> they raced the full HRR course...

Hey, I bet the Washington women will.  They are always up to such
challenges.  I'm not sure if they are going back to defend their title
this year or not.  With the expense of a European tour, Washington
generally only goes every three or four years.

BTW: Their cox knows how to steer.  Hasn't hit anything or gone off course
in quite awhile. *She* is allowed to talk in the boat... ;)

JB

 
 
 

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Post by J. Benedi » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:17:46

Quote:


> : Mind you are there actually any women out there who really want to have
> : to row the full HRR course??

> Just think of the close races that might have gone the other way had
> they raced the full HRR course...

Hey, I bet the Washington women will.  They are always up to such
challenges.  I'm not sure if they are going back to defend their title
this year or not.  With the expense of a European tour, Washington
generally only goes every three or four years.

BTW: Their cox knows how to steer.  Hasn't hit anything or gone off course
in quite awhile. *She* is allowed to talk in the boat... ;)

JB

 
 
 

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Post by j.. » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:30:29

: Hey, I bet the Washington women will.  They are always up to such
: challenges.

Get enough into the national squad and they can race the Henley Prize
at HRR.

Jon
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Post by jamesel.. » Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:42:14

Quote:
> Hey, I bet the Washington women will.  They are always up to such
> challenges.  I'm not sure if they are going back to defend their title
> this year or not.  With the expense of a European tour, Washington
> generally only goes every three or four years.

What title?  I'm confused.  Washington women didn't race at Henley
Women's and got beaten in the final of the Henley Prize at Henley Royal
last year by University of Victoria.  Cracker of a race though...

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