HORR trophies

HORR trophies

Post by Aliso » Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:47:01


Having just enjoyed a fantastic day out at the Head of the River race I
have decided it is much much better value from a train ticket than the
Boat Race and I think I will watch the Boat Race on TV this year.

I have come home with blisters from walking the course too many times (I
wasn't supposed to be in a boat, don't worry) and a question or two.
Can anyone tell me what the trophies on
http://www.kingston.ac.uk/~xe_s540/trophy.htm are all for?  Some of them
are obvious, but the ones named after people much less so.  Being the
curious type, I'd also be interested to know how the trophies got their
names if any one knows?

Thanks
Alison

 
 
 

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Post by Rob Colling » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:51:29

Quote:

> Having just enjoyed a fantastic day out at the Head of the River race I
> have decided it is much much better value from a train ticket than the
> Boat Race and I think I will watch the Boat Race on TV this year.

> I have come home with blisters from walking the course too many times (I
> wasn't supposed to be in a boat, don't worry) and a question or two.
> Can anyone tell me what the trophies on
> http://www.kingston.ac.uk/~xe_s540/trophy.htm are all for?  Some of them
> are obvious, but the ones named after people much less so.  Being the
> curious type, I'd also be interested to know how the trophies got their
> names if any one knows?

> Thanks
> Alison

And can anyone shed light on why Imperial College II don't get the BUSA
2nd crew trophy? I see why OBBC II don't get it, but IC II finished
above OBBC III (who have been provisionally given it).

Cheers,
Rob.

 
 
 

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Post by Anne Harriso » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:09:39

The IC crew could have some non students in it.

 
 
 

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Post by James Eld » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:41:38

Can anyone tell me what the trophies on

Quote:
> http://www.kingston.ac.uk/~xe_s540/trophy.htm are all for?  Some of them
> are obvious, but the ones named after people much less so.  Being the
> curious type, I'd also be interested to know how the trophies got their
> names if any one knows?

> Thanks
> Alison

Not sure of the exact eligibility, but I think

The Vernon is for Tideway crews
The Page is for non-tidal Thames crews
The Jackson is for non-Thames UK crews

Karl Vernon (known as 'The Bean' because he was a vegetarian) was a
Thames RC oarsman in the early years of the 20th century.  The trophy
is a statuette of another famous Thames RC oarsman, Jack Beresford
(Olympic Gold Medallist in 1924, 1932 and 1936) made from the
melted-down silver of The Bean's trophies.  It was presented to the
Head by Karl Vernon in 1954.

J.H. 'Freddie' Page was another well-known member of Thames (amongst
other clubs).  He was rowing master at St Paul's School and a very
successful coach of Oxford boat race crews and of Thames.  With Steve
Fairbairn, he was involved in the development of the Head from the
start.  He was also one of the major figures in the merger of the ARA
and the NARA which effectively ended the amateur/professional divide
in the UK.  His son is Geoffrey Page, rowing correspondent of the
Daily Telegraph and newly-elected President of Thames (as of last
Wednesday).

 
 
 

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Post by j.. » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:54:13

: And can anyone shed light on why Imperial College II don't get the BUSA
: 2nd crew trophy? I see why OBBC II don't get it, but IC II finished
: above OBBC III (who have been provisionally given it).

Cos they're not all students. Note that they were not entered in as a
BUSA-eligible boat in the first place.
This is why OBUBC II gets the Ortner Shield.

Jon

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Post by Aliso » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:19:16


Quote:
> Not sure of the exact eligibility, but I think

> The Vernon is for Tideway crews
> The Page is for non-tidal Thames crews
> The Jackson is for non-Thames UK crews

Ah thanks!  That's all much clearer now.

Thanks
Alison

 
 
 

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Post by Christopher Ant » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 03:47:24

I'd also be interested to know how the trophies got their

Quote:
> names if any one knows?

> Thanks
> Alison

extracted from horr.co.uk

"HEAD"

The Steve Fairburn Bust, Head pennant plaque, and Medals
awarded to the club whose crew returns the fastest time.

The VERNON Trophy
Presented in memory of the late Karl Vernon and awarded to the fastest
club crew normally rowing on the Thames Tideway (between Teddington
Lock and the mouth of the Thames)

The JACKSON Trophy
Presented by Nottingham Brittania R.C. and awarded to the fastest
A.R.A. club crew (excluding university, college and school crews)
ineligible for the Vernon or Page Trophies.

The PAGE Trophy
Presented by the Head of the River Committee in memory of the late
J.H. Page and awarded to the fastest club crew (excluding university,
college or school crews) normally rowing on the Thames or its
tributaries and ineligible for the Vernon Trophy.

 
 
 

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Post by Rob Colling » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:59:33

Quote:


> : And can anyone shed light on why Imperial College II don't get the BUSA
> : 2nd crew trophy? I see why OBBC II don't get it, but IC II finished
> : above OBBC III (who have been provisionally given it).

> Cos they're not all students. Note that they were not entered in as a
> BUSA-eligible boat in the first place.
> This is why OBUBC II gets the Ortner Shield.

Ah, I see. I notice that you haven't engaged smug mode :-)
 
 
 

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Post by Aliso » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 05:16:09


Quote:
> I'd also be interested to know how the trophies got their
> > names if any one knows?

> > Thanks
> > Alison

> extracted from horr.co.uk

<snip extract>

Well where on earth did you find that?  I thought I'd looked on all the
horr pages?

Alison <feeling silly>

 
 
 

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Post by j.. » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:39:53

: Ah, I see. I notice that you haven't engaged smug mode :-)

If you saw my placing at the HORR you'd know I was very far from smug
indeed. :-(
The only smugness afforded was watching crews overtake us out of the
stream who were clearly better than us, but struggling like hell in the
slower water.

Anyone know why crew 112 was disqualified?

Jon
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Post by Ewoud Dronker » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:44:52

Quote:

> Anyone know why crew 112 was disqualified?

The electronic timing system kept calling the European emergency telephone
number.
 
 
 

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Post by Ross Barr » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:37:11

Can anybody tell me how much of a penalty is awarded to the crews that have 'P' beside their name?

thanks in advance,
Ross.

Quote:

> Can anyone tell me what the trophies on
> > http://www.kingston.ac.uk/~xe_s540/trophy.htm are all for?  Some of them
> > are obvious, but the ones named after people much less so.  Being the
> > curious type, I'd also be interested to know how the trophies got their
> > names if any one knows?

> > Thanks
> > Alison

> Not sure of the exact eligibility, but I think

> The Vernon is for Tideway crews
> The Page is for non-tidal Thames crews
> The Jackson is for non-Thames UK crews

> Karl Vernon (known as 'The Bean' because he was a vegetarian) was a
> Thames RC oarsman in the early years of the 20th century.  The trophy
> is a statuette of another famous Thames RC oarsman, Jack Beresford
> (Olympic Gold Medallist in 1924, 1932 and 1936) made from the
> melted-down silver of The Bean's trophies.  It was presented to the
> Head by Karl Vernon in 1954.

> J.H. 'Freddie' Page was another well-known member of Thames (amongst
> other clubs).  He was rowing master at St Paul's School and a very
> successful coach of Oxford boat race crews and of Thames.  With Steve
> Fairbairn, he was involved in the development of the Head from the
> start.  He was also one of the major figures in the merger of the ARA
> and the NARA which effectively ended the amateur/professional divide
> in the UK.  His son is Geoffrey Page, rowing correspondent of the
> Daily Telegraph and newly-elected President of Thames (as of last
> Wednesday).

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Post by Pm_willi.. » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:39:23

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:37:11 +0000, Ross Barry

Quote:

>Can anybody tell me how much of a penalty is awarded to the crews that have 'P' beside their name?

>thanks in advance,
>Ross.

In the case of Treviris I it was ten seconds, the cox decided to
follow 3 other boats crossing to the Middlesex side, Mashall shouted
"Don't cross now", but they miss-heard that as Cross now. Well that's
football brian.
Wilf
 
 
 

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Post by Anu Dudhi » Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:48:29

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> Can anybody tell me how much of a penalty is awarded to the crews that have 'P' beside their name?

I thought the idea was that they *didn't* tell you  otherwise you'd be able to calculate your proper
position (and, let's face it, that's what matters for most crews, who aren't going to win any
pennants).
 
 
 

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Post by David Biddulp » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 02:24:36


Quote:

> : Ah, I see. I notice that you haven't engaged smug mode :-)

> If you saw my placing at the HORR you'd know I was very far from smug
> indeed. :-(
> The only smugness afforded was watching crews overtake us out of the
> stream who were clearly better than us, but struggling like hell in the
> slower water.

> Anyone know why crew 112 was disqualified?

I don't know about that one.  Crew 138 apparently had a woman rowing
(permitted under ARA rules, but not under the rules of the Head, hence
their disqualification), but I don't know about 112.  
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