Head of the Charles predictions

Head of the Charles predictions

Post by danielwspr.. » Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:14:18


I'm looking forward to the HOCR (although I won't be able to see it in
person) The mens Champ singles looks very strong: Drysdale, Campbell,
Cop, Allen, Lippits. My money is on Mahe.
The Champ 8's is also looking good although it looks like the US 8
aren't showing (maybe***ing their wounds from the drubbing at the
C***Cup ?) Cambridge have to be strong contenders following their
C***Cup win, although I hear the Dutch 8 has been strengthened with
the silver medal 4- from Gifu. Does anyone know who is in the Leander
boat ? Are they taking the big guns (Partridge, Williams et al) ?
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Post by James Elde » Sun, 16 Oct 2005 02:42:43

Quote:

> I'm looking forward to the HOCR (although I won't be able to see it in
> person)

Well, don't forget you'll have a chance to see Campbell and Drysdale in
London, racing in a double in the Pairs Head tomorrow.

 
 
 

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Post by rebecca.ca.. » Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:51:23

Well Campbell/Drysdale won the Pairs head.... didn't think much of
their steering off the start.
Quote:


> > I'm looking forward to the HOCR (although I won't be able to see it in
> > person)

> Well, don't forget you'll have a chance to see Campbell and Drysdale in
> London, racing in a double in the Pairs Head tomorrow.


 
 
 

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Post by Robert Treharne Jone » Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:41:48

Quote:

> Does anyone know who is in the Leander
> boat ? Are they taking the big guns (Partridge, Williams et al) ?

Yes! The Leander VIII includes:

Bow: Josh West
2: Tom Stallard
3: James Orme
4: Matt Langridge
5: Peter Reed
6: Rick Eginton
7: Alex Partridge
Str: Steve Williams

Robert

 
 
 

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Post by J Flor » Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:39:22

Quote:

> I'm looking forward to the HOCR (although I won't be able to see it in
> person) The mens Champ singles looks very strong: Drysdale, Campbell,
> Cop, Allen, Lippits. My money is on Mahe.

They are starting one after the other in 5th through 10th spots so it
should be VERY interesting to watch how they deal with each other, with
the 5 guys starting ahead, and with Steve Tucker who starts just behind
them.  I'm trying to figure out the best vantage point.

Quote:
> The Champ 8's is also looking good although it looks like the US 8
> aren't showing (maybe***ing their wounds from the drubbing at the
> C***Cup ?)

Nope, deadline for HOC entries was September 1 (for everything larger
than 1x's) so the US mens 8 had already decided not to come more than a
month before the C***Cup October 3.  I wonder why they're not coming.

There appear to be 2 US womens 8's, PTC and US Rowing.

 
 
 

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Post by danielwspr.. » Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:25:54

Quote:


> > Does anyone know who is in the Leander
> > boat ? Are they taking the big guns (Partridge, Williams et al) ?

> Yes! The Leander VIII includes:

> Bow: Josh West
> 2: Tom Stallard
> 3: James Orme
> 4: Matt Langridge
> 5: Peter Reed
> 6: Rick Eginton
> 7: Alex Partridge
> Str: Steve Williams

> Robert

Hmm, that's quite a line-up, I'm still going to go for Cambridge. I
think they are better over the longer course. If it were a 2K Leander
would take them but over the Charles I'm not too sure. Either way the
Champ 8's are coming to Europe. My prediction for the top 3 is:
1st Cambridge
2nd Holland
3rd Leander
 
 
 

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Post by anton2.. » Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:55:55

Quote:


> > Does anyone know who is in the Leander
> > boat ? Are they taking the big guns (Partridge, Williams et al) ?

> Yes! The Leander VIII includes:

> Bow: Josh West
> 2: Tom Stallard
> 3: James Orme
> 4: Matt Langridge
> 5: Peter Reed
> 6: Rick Eginton
> 7: Alex Partridge
> Str: Steve Williams

> Robert

Well a nice crew but the most important person is not on the list? Who
is the cox? Because if people haven't raced at the Charles coxen is the
key. As an example the USA crew last year hit Elliot Bridge having gone
off number one and were steaming. Weeks Bridge? get that wrong and you
have lost 5 seconds. Have they a local cox?

Its not like the HORR. Sure the stream counts there but the Head of the
Charles needs some serious coxing. Its almost Schumaker type racing
lines, momentum, and if the wind is in one direction the steering has
totally different requirements to the wind being in another.

Oh just for good order, the Overtaking crew gets penalized in a clash
so there is no reason for the slower crew to yield.

All good fun.

 
 
 

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Post by danielwspr.. » Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:13:49

Quote:



> > > Does anyone know who is in the Leander
> > > boat ? Are they taking the big guns (Partridge, Williams et al) ?

> > Yes! The Leander VIII includes:

> > Bow: Josh West
> > 2: Tom Stallard
> > 3: James Orme
> > 4: Matt Langridge
> > 5: Peter Reed
> > 6: Rick Eginton
> > 7: Alex Partridge
> > Str: Steve Williams

> > Robert

> Well a nice crew but the most important person is not on the list? Who
> is the cox? Because if people haven't raced at the Charles coxen is the
> key. As an example the USA crew last year hit Elliot Bridge having gone
> off number one and were steaming. Weeks Bridge? get that wrong and you
> have lost 5 seconds. Have they a local cox?

> Its not like the HORR. Sure the stream counts there but the Head of the
> Charles needs some serious coxing. Its almost Schumaker type racing
> lines, momentum, and if the wind is in one direction the steering has
> totally different requirements to the wind being in another.

> Oh just for good order, the Overtaking crew gets penalized in a clash
> so there is no reason for the slower crew to yield.

> All good fun.

Another reason why I'll go for Cambridge, they are going off no.1 so
they won't be overtaking anyone and the cox will be able to pick their
line.
 
 
 

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Post by Robert Treharne Jone » Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:27:22

Confirmed the cox will be from the USA.
 
 
 

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Post by J Flor » Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:36:16

 Well a nice crew but the most important person is not on the list? Who

Quote:
> is the cox?

Agreed.

Quote:
> Because if people haven't raced at the Charles coxen is the
> key. As an example the USA crew last year hit Elliot Bridge having gone
> off number one and were steaming. Weeks Bridge? get that wrong and you
> have lost 5 seconds.

Can easily be 15 seconds or more, plus it puts you on the wrong line
for the next bridge so you lose time there too.

Quote:
>Have they a local cox?

Or practiced steering the course?  Last year the Dutch Minerva crews
spent the week before the race practicing on the river and it paid off:
 the women started 35th and won, their cox nailed the Weeks turn.

Quote:
> Its not like the HORR. Sure the stream counts there but the Head of the
> Charles needs some serious coxing. Its almost Schumaker type racing
> lines, momentum, and if the wind is in one direction the steering has
> totally different requirements to the wind being in another.

Plus wind directions on different parts of the course are often
inconsistent with each other and with the prevailing wind.

Quote:

> Oh just for good order, the Overtaking crew gets penalized in a clash
> so there is no reason for the slower crew to yield.

Not exactly.  As I read the rules, either or both may be penalized: the
overtaken crew 60 sec and the overtaking crew 30 sec (see
http://hocr.org/competitors/general_racing_rules.asp).
 
 
 

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Post by bk » Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:17:31

My money is on Boban Rankovic. If he doesn't take it, I expect him to make
it very competitive.


Quote:
> I'm looking forward to the HOCR (although I won't be able to see it in
> person) The mens Champ singles looks very strong: Drysdale, Campbell,
> Cop, Allen, Lippits. My money is on Mahe.
> The Champ 8's is also looking good although it looks like the US 8
> aren't showing (maybe***ing their wounds from the drubbing at the
> C***Cup ?) Cambridge have to be strong contenders following their
> C***Cup win, although I hear the Dutch 8 has been strengthened with
> the silver medal 4- from Gifu. Does anyone know who is in the Leander
> boat ? Are they taking the big guns (Partridge, Williams et al) ?
> http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

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Post by anton2.. » Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:02:00

Quote:



> > > Does anyone know who is in the Leander
> > > boat ? Are they taking the big guns (Partridge, Williams et al) ?

> > Yes! The Leander VIII includes:

> > Bow: Josh West
> > 2: Tom Stallard
> > 3: James Orme
> > 4: Matt Langridge
> > 5: Peter Reed
> > 6: Rick Eginton
> > 7: Alex Partridge
> > Str: Steve Williams

> > Robert

I wonder if it had been their own empacher whether Leander would have
riden their bows over North Easterns stern?

I hate to say i told you so but//..........

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Quote:
> Well a nice crew but the most important person is not on the list? Who
> is the cox? Because if people haven't raced at the Charles coxen is the
> key. As an example the USA crew last year hit Elliot Bridge having gone
> off number one and were steaming. Weeks Bridge? get that wrong and you
> have lost 5 seconds. Have they a local cox?

> Its not like the HORR. Sure the stream counts there but the Head of the
> Charles needs some serious coxing. Its almost Schumaker type racing
> lines, momentum, and if the wind is in one direction the steering has
> totally different requirements to the wind being in another.

> Oh just for good order, the Overtaking crew gets penalized in a clash
> so there is no reason for the slower crew to yield.

> All good fun.

 
 
 

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Post by Ewoud Dronker » Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:26:29

Quote:

> I wonder if it had been their own empacher whether Leander would have
> riden their bows over North Easterns stern?

Ah yes, I thought something happened between Weld and Cambridge.
(re. http://www.hocr-timing.org/results/56.htm)

--
E. Dronkert

 
 
 

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Post by J Flor » Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:15:47

Quote:

> I wonder if it had been their own empacher whether Leander would have
> riden their bows over North Easterns stern?

> I hate to say i told you so but//..........
> > Oh just for good order, the Overtaking crew gets penalized in a clash
> > so there is no reason for the slower crew to yield.

Northeastern got a 1 minute failing-to-yield penalty that dropped them
from 16th to 34th place.  Pity that doesn't help the overtaking crew.
 
 
 

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Post by Ewoud Dronker » Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:29:45

Quote:

> Northeastern got a 1 minute failing-to-yield penalty that dropped them
> from 16th to 34th place.  Pity that doesn't help the overtaking crew.

Also, what use is a penalty if the amount is published? They'll just chalk
it up as "16th, really".

--
E. Dronkert