Yankees All-Time Squad

Yankees All-Time Squad

Post by Larry Ho » Sat, 13 Nov 1993 08:16:22




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>Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
>history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
>boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
>1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
>2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)

Joe Gordon over Martin, way over Sax
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>SS: Rizzuto
>3B: Rolfe, Nettles
>RF: Ruth, Reggie
>CF: Joe D, Winfield

If you have to move Mantle to left to get him in the starting lineup (and why
not?), you should probably have a second team configuration of Winnie in LF,
Bob Meusel (lifetime SA .497) in CF, and Maris in RF.  Reggie could DH, and
you might want Tommy Henrich on the team too.
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>LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).
>C: Berra,***ey, Howard
>DH: Maris

Maris was an excellent defensive RF, far better than Reggie
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>Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
>Reynolds
>Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
>for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.

Moore just had the one good year.  Urban Shocker would be a better choice from
that era (and a great name for a Yankee!), and you have to add Sparky Lyle as
a true reliever.   Gomez was awfully good to be relegated to the pen, but then
so are your other starters.
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>Manager: Casey Stengel

--with Joe McCarthy in reserve

Quote:

>This team, more than just about any other, can be argued to kingdom come.
>Please feel free to do so.

P.S.  I hate them too.
Larry Horn
 
 
 

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Post by Roy S. Fenich » Sat, 13 Nov 1993 08:18:51

The greatest leadoff hitter of all time played for the Yanks for a bit,
though I am very glad you left him out.

Also, Sparky Lyle was awesome, though I am always glad when anyone leaves
relief pitchers off of any list.

Of course, if you subjected your list to Sax, you may as well put
HOF Boggs in.

My biggest disappointment is my inability to find someone to knock
Mr. Cow off the SS spot. Oh well.

-Roy

 
 
 

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Post by MARK BRIAN PASSWATE » Sat, 13 Nov 1993 03:27:39

Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)
SS: Rizzuto
3B: Rolfe, Nettles
RF: Ruth, Reggie
CF: Joe D, Winfield
LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).
C: Berra,***ey, Howard
DH: Maris
Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
Reynolds
Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.
Manager: Casey Stengel

This team, more than just about any other, can be argued to kingdom come.
Please feel free to do so.

 
 
 

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Post by Dave Eis » Sat, 13 Nov 1993 13:54:28

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>>2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)
>Joe Gordon over Martin, way over Sax

Agreed. And Randolph over Lazzeri.

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Post by Douglas Fowl » Sat, 13 Nov 1993 07:14:13


Quote:
>Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
>history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
>boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
>1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
>2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)

     Aarrgghhh!  Willie Randolph!

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>SS: Rizzuto
>3B: Rolfe, Nettles
>RF: Ruth, Reggie
>CF: Joe D, Winfield
>LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).
>C: Berra,***ey, Howard

     Don't forget Munson; he was only around 30 when he died in the plane
crash, and could have been a HOFer.

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>DH: Maris
>Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
>Reynolds
>Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
>for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.

     Red Ruffing's the only on I can think of you forgot.  Maybe Mel
Stottlemyre; I don't know how good he was but he was ace on some bad Yankee
teams of the late 60s, and lasted pretty long.

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>Manager: Casey Stengel

>This team, more than just about any other, can be argued to kingdom come.

     And with Stengel talking, he could do it by himself. :-)
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Post by Paul Rubinfe » Sat, 13 Nov 1993 08:10:03


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> Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
> history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
> boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.

An all-time Yankee team should take into consideration two key events:
1. the post-1964 demise of the dy***, also known as the Yankees and seven
dwarfs and 2. the reconfiguration of Yankee Stadium in the early '70's.  The
first consideration is frankly a subjective one on my part.  The dynastic
Yankees were the team people hated because of their on the field ***.  
The post dynastic Yankees are disliked because the buffoon who owns the
team and the city they represent.  The second consideration had a profound
impact on the performance of all who played in Yankee Stadium.  For instance
one of the most famous catches ever made in Yankee Stadium, Gionfrido off of
Dimaggio, would not have been possible in the new configuration.  Whenever I
see home run hit to left center in Yankee Stadium it still startles me as
there less than two dozen balls hit into the left centerfield bleachers in
the 50 years of the original configuration.

As for your "nominations" I would agree with most with the following comments:

2B: both Bobby Richardson and Gil McDougald were far better ball
players than Billy Martin
OF/DH: I question the way you have moved someof the outfielders.  Reggie
would be a the DH in this crowd, his fielding ability, as a Yankee, was
marginal.  Winfield in CF and Mantle in LF -- did you ever see a healthy
Mantle play?  Maris was an outstanding RF who played CF on occassion.  
Actually the best defensive OF I ever saw the Yankees put onthe field
was their 1961 defensive shift: Hector Lopez (LF-> bench), Kubek (SS->CF),
Mantle (CF->LF), Maris (RF).

Starters: add Vic Raschi (1949-51 edition)
Relievers: put Reynolds in the bullpen as had significant success pitching
in relief. Arroyo out, replaced by Duren.

BTW - I now also hate them.

Paul

 
 
 

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Post by D. DANIEL SOK » Sat, 13 Nov 1993 09:28:04


Quote:
> Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
> history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
> boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
> 1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
> 2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)
> SS: Rizzuto
> 3B: Rolfe, Nettles
> RF: Ruth, Reggie
> CF: Joe D, Winfield
> LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).
> C: Berra,***ey, Howard
> DH: Maris
> Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
> Reynolds
> Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
> for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.
> Manager: Casey Stengel
> This team, more than just about any other, can be argued to kingdom come.
> Please feel free to do so.

You left out the following important players

1b Bill Skowron
LF Charlie Keller
P Vic Racshi

coaches (non-Stengal managers)
Joe McCarthy
Miller Huggins
Billy Martin

No team in baseball has quite as many good starting players and even the
bench, if you started the next 9 best Yanks, would still be among the top
10 best starting lineups

Danny Sokol
Amherst College

 
 
 

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Post by Lorne Schacht » Sun, 14 Nov 1993 03:16:19


|> Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
|> history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
|> boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
|> 1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
|> 2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)

        Richardson (Martin played third)

|> SS: Rizzuto
|> 3B: Rolfe, Nettles
|> RF: Ruth, Reggie
|> CF: Joe D, Winfield
|> LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).
|> C: Berra,***ey, Howard
|> DH: Maris
|> Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
|> Reynolds

        Raschi, Hoyt

|> Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
|> for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.
|> Manager: Casey Stengel
|>
|> This team, more than just about any other, can be argued to kingdom come.
|> Please feel free to do so.

 
 
 

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Post by Mark Rosenba » Sun, 14 Nov 1993 03:52:45


|> Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
|> history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
|> boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
|> 1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
|> 2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)
|> SS: Rizzuto
|> 3B: Rolfe, Nettles
|> RF: Ruth, Reggie
|> CF: Joe D, Winfield
|> LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).
|> C: Berra,***ey, Howard
|> DH: Maris
|> Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
|> Reynolds
|> Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
|> for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.
|> Manager: Casey Stengel
|>
|> This team, more than just about any other, can be argued to kingdom come.
|> Please feel free to do so.
2B: Martin over Joe Gordon or ***y Richardson you must be joking!!!
    I would pick Gordon as the backup
SS: Crossetti belongs in here as backup
C: Howard and Munson are equals either would belong
CF: Combs as backup, HOFer
Starters: Hoyt HOFer over Chandler, Gomez HOFer over Reynolds, Ruffing and
          Pennock also deserve spots but I can't take Guidry out.
Relievers: Reynolds moves here, Lyle deserves a spot probably over Arroyo
 
 
 

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Post by David M. Ta » Sun, 14 Nov 1993 07:33:13


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>|> 1B: Gehrig, Mattingly

Didn't Johnny Mize play for the Yanks for a while?  If so, I'd put him ahead
of Mattingly.

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>|> 2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)
>    Richardson (Martin played third)

Joe Gordon was, by far, the best second baseman the Yankees ever had.
Either Lazzeri or Willie Randolph is second, depending on whether you
go for peak or career value.

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>|> SS: Rizzuto
>|> 3B: Rolfe, Nettles

Nettles, Clete Boyer

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>|> RF: Ruth, Reggie

Hard to argue with that :-).

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>|> CF: Joe D, Winfield

Winfield's not a CF; never was.  Mantle and DiMaggio.  Put one of them in
left (or Ruth in left, and one of them in right).

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Post by DOUG RIBL » Sun, 14 Nov 1993 09:31:29


Quote:
>Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
>history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
>boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
>1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
>2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)

I'd start Joe Gordon, with Lazzeri backing up.  Maybe Martin
as a back-up manager, but not as a player &^).

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>SS: Rizzuto
>3B: Rolfe, Nettles
>RF: Ruth, Reggie
>CF: Joe D, Winfield
>LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).

If you include Reggie, you have to include Rickey.  They played for
the Yankees appx. the same number of seasons (RH=4.5, RJ=5).  Overall,
I'd give Henderson a slight edge as the superior player over his career.
Looking only at their years with the Yankees, Jackson has the
edge for taking them to 2 World Series -- though Henderson's 1985
season was one of the best ever for a leadoff man, averaging more
than a run per game.

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>C: Berra,***ey, Howard
>DH: Maris
>Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
>Reynolds
>Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
>for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.
>Manager: Casey Stengel

Who's the owner?

Doug Riblet            

GO CUBS! And take a pitch once in a while, for chrissake . . .

 
 
 

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Post by Roger Lust » Sun, 14 Nov 1993 10:55:48

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>2B: both Bobby Richardson and Gil McDougald were far better ball
>players than Billy Martin

See what I mean about Joe Gordon?

Roger

 
 
 

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Post by Roger Lust » Sun, 14 Nov 1993 10:54:46

Quote:


>>Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
>>history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
>>boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
>>1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
>>2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)
>     Aarrgghhh!  Willie Randolph!

Double argh.  Joe Gordon.  Joe Gordon.  Joe Gordon.

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>>SS: Rizzuto

Followed by Everett "Von" Scott.

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>>3B: Rolfe, Nettles

Rolfe?  Mister Average.  Clete Boyer; at least he's an all-time
fielder.

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>>RF: Ruth, Reggie
>>CF: Joe D, Winfield
>>LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).

Charlie Keller.  Tommy Henrich.  Rickey Henderson.  Earle Combs.
Then perhaps Maris.

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>>C: Berra,***ey, Howard
>     Don't forget Munson; he was only around 30 when he died in the plane
>crash, and could have been a HOFer.
>>DH: Maris
>>Starters: Chesboro (41-12 one year-early 1900's), Ford, Guidry, Chandler,
>>Reynolds

Lopat.  Pennock.  

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>>Relievers: Lefty Gomez (long relief), Gossage, Righetti, Arroyo, Wilcy Moore (19-7
>>for the '27 Yanks), Joe Page.
>     Red Ruffing's the only on I can think of you forgot.  Maybe Mel
>Stottlemyre; I don't know how good he was but he was ace on some bad Yankee
>teams of the late 60s, and lasted pretty long.

If you have a short-timer like Moore, why not Ralph terry?

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>>Manager: Casey Stengel
>>This team, more than just about any other, can be argued to kingdom come.
>     And with Stengel talking, he could do it by himself. :-)

No doubt.

Roger

 
 
 

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Post by 00mbstu.. » Wed, 17 Nov 1993 08:07:41


Quote:
> Okay- Today's edition of the Best...The most storied team in all of baseball
> history (God, I hate these guys!) THE NEW YORK YANKEES! (Feel free to cheer or
> boo.)  Like with the BoSox, starters first.
> 1B: Gehrig, Mattingly
> 2B: Lazzeri, Martin (Sax?)

Joe Gordon over all here

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> SS: Rizzuto
> 3B: Rolfe, Nettles

Nettles over Rolfe

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> RF: Ruth, Reggie
> CF: Joe D, Winfield
> LF: Mantle, Maris (For spacing sake, some OF's have been moved).

Henderson over Maris; team desperately needs speed.  Plus Hendo's best
years were with Yanks, save his 90 MVP season.

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> C: Berra,***ey, Howard

Munson over Howard

Quote:
> DH: Maris

Reggie or Big Dave here

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by William R. Spoll » Thu, 18 Nov 1993 04:45:19


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>>|> 1B: Gehrig, Mattingly

>Didn't Johnny Mize play for the Yanks for a while?  If so, I'd put him ahead
>of Mattingly.

No way, Mize was a part timer with the Yanks, and was a defensive liability.
His HOF numbers were made with other teams.  You may as well stick Joe
Pepitone in that group.

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