Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by s_knight » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:40:57


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Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the court,
which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also believes a
series of key calls have gone against his team.

``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has to
be soft.''

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Exhibitionis » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:49:22



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>Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
>saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

>``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
>able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
>``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
>for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
>the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

>The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
>including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
>the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

>Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the court,
>which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also believes a
>series of key calls have gone against his team.

>``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
>first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
>off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has to
>be soft.''

Waaaaaah!   Waaaaah!!   WAAAAAHH!!!!!!!
Faker's are starting their already predicted excuses again.

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Preston Crawfor » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:52:05


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>>Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
>>saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

>>``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
>>able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
>>``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
>>for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
>>the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

>>The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
>>including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
>>the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

>>Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the court,
>>which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also believes a
>>series of key calls have gone against his team.

>>``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
>>first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
>>off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has to
>>be soft.''

> Waaaaaah!   Waaaaah!!   WAAAAAHH!!!!!!!
> Faker's are starting their already predicted excuses again.

No kidding. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Suddenly Shaq
isn't allowed to make a break for the basket like he's Christian Okoye
running through the 4 hole and the refs are being unfair?

Classic.

Preston

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Johnn » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:31:57

There always seems to be a double standard with the refs WHEN THE LAKERS
LOSE.


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> Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
> saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

> ``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
> able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
> ``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
> for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
> the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

> The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
> including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
> the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

> Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the court,
> which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also believes
a
> series of key calls have gone against his team.

> ``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
> first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
> off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has
to
> be soft.''

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by top-pos » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:55:42


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> >Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
> >saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

> >``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
> >able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
> >``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
> >for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
> >the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

> >The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
> >including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
> >the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

> >Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the
court,
> >which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also believes
a
> >series of key calls have gone against his team.

> >``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
> >first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
> >off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has
to
> >be soft.''

> Waaaaaah!   Waaaaah!!   WAAAAAHH!!!!!!!
> Faker's are starting their already predicted excuses again.

Nah!! I think this is pretty much coaching 101. I think every coach
complains about fouls when they get a good butt-kickin'.

Dave

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by KJ » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:32:09

You're just torqued cuz you know that if the refs allow an all out physical
slugfest on the court the Pistons cant contain Shaq. Go ahead and lie and
tell us he can be contained if allow to get as physical as compared to watch
punishment he receives.


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> >>Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
> >>saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

> >>``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to
be
> >>able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
> >>``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting
caught
> >>for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's
ridiculous
> >>the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

> >>The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
> >>including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game
in
> >>the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's
56.

> >>Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the
court,
> >>which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also
believes a
> >>series of key calls have gone against his team.

> >>``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
> >>first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start
backing
> >>off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has
to
> >>be soft.''

> > Waaaaaah!   Waaaaah!!   WAAAAAHH!!!!!!!
> > Faker's are starting their already predicted excuses again.

> No kidding. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Suddenly Shaq
> isn't allowed to make a break for the basket like he's Christian Okoye
> running through the 4 hole and the refs are being unfair?

> Classic.

> Preston

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Michae » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:40:04

Quote:

> You're just torqued cuz you know that if the refs allow an all out physical
> slugfest on the court the Pistons cant contain Shaq. Go ahead and lie and
> tell us he can be contained if allow to get as physical as compared to watch
> punishment he receives.

It might be that the Pistons can't contain Shaq, but we'll never
know unless the Lakers start getting him the ball.

Mike

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Preston Crawfor » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:38:31


Quote:
> You're just torqued cuz you know that if the refs allow an all out physical
> slugfest on the court the Pistons cant contain Shaq. Go ahead and lie and
> tell us he can be contained if allow to get as physical as compared to watch
> punishment he receives.

You're right. It's impossible to contain Shaq when he's allowed to cheat.

Preston

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>> >>Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
>> >>saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

>> >>``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to
> be
>> >>able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
>> >>``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting
> caught
>> >>for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's
> ridiculous
>> >>the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

>> >>The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
>> >>including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game
> in
>> >>the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's
> 56.

>> >>Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the
> court,
>> >>which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also
> believes a
>> >>series of key calls have gone against his team.

>> >>``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
>> >>first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start
> backing
>> >>off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has
> to
>> >>be soft.''

>> > Waaaaaah!   Waaaaah!!   WAAAAAHH!!!!!!!
>> > Faker's are starting their already predicted excuses again.

>> No kidding. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Suddenly Shaq
>> isn't allowed to make a break for the basket like he's Christian Okoye
>> running through the 4 hole and the refs are being unfair?

>> Classic.

>> Preston

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Dave & Janell » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:24:04


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> ``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
> able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
> ``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
> for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
> the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

Geez Phil, this sthick was getting old years ago. Have your teams *ever*
lost a single game cuz they just got beat?

Quote:
> The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
> including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
> the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

And, as we all know, a fairly officiated game is only one in which the two
teams shoot the same # of FTs.

-Dave

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by SkippyP » Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:39:38


enlightened us:

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>Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
>saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

>``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
>able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
>``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
>for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
>the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

>The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
>including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
>the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

>Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the court,
>which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also believes a
>series of key calls have gone against his team.

>``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
>first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
>off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has to
>be soft.''

Hey Phil, would you like some cheese with that whine?

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Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Ro » Mon, 14 Jun 2004 02:48:57

Quote:

> There always seems to be a double standard with the refs WHEN THE LAKERS
> LOSE.

 THe funny thing is, of course, that after the game Kobe was talking
about how Phil wanted him to get to the rim more. Didn't they say
something like, "you don't get to the line if you don't get to the
rim?"

 They weren't attacking the basket. So why were they supposed to get a
comprable number of foul calls again?

-Ron

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by lev » Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:05:38


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>  Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
>  saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.
...

>  ``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
>  first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
>  off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has to
>  be soft.''

Referee watchers might have percieved that it was Dan Crawford for Game 3,
notorious (in some circles) for "letting them play", then trying to "gain
control of the game" when tempers start getting short.

I watched the game hearing the voice of Fred Thompson (as Admiral Painter
in "The Hunt For Red October") in the background: "This thing is going to get
out of hand, and when it does..."  Fortunately, only the score got out of
hand.  I later reviewed the game looking for evidence of "bad calls" and
"no-calls".  I didn't find much - the Lakers were simply, plainly,
stomped.

Hilarious - PJ blaming the Lakers "soft" defense on the refs, when it's
GARY (Payton) and Kobe losing their men, while Shaq is reluctant to help.  
Despite his injury, I thought Malone tried pretty hard to play "D" as best
he could.  One notable play was Rasheed setting a pick for Rip, Karl steps
up, while Kobe back pedals a step or two and waits for Rip to drive into]
the lane - meanwhile, Rasheed literally strolls down the key, Rip

Jackson didn't complain much about Crawford's reffing in the early part of
Game 3 of the WCF, because no-calls were to the Lakers advantage, putting
the Wolves into the very same spot the Lakers found themselves in Game3 of
the Finals..

Geez.  What a difference a loss makes, there PJ.

To their credit, the more serious Laker posters did not whine.  

(GARY = +1 self-imposed misspelling penalty Payton reference - insurance)

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by lev » Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:21:05


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>  >  Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
>  >  saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.
>  ...

>  >  ``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
>  >  first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
>  >  off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense
has to
>  >  be soft.''

>  Referee watchers might have percieved that it was Dan Crawford for Game 3,
>  notorious (in some circles) for "letting them play", then trying to "gain
>  control of the game" when tempers start getting short.

>  I watched the game hearing the voice of Fred Thompson (as Admiral Painter
>  in "The Hunt For Red October") in the background: "This thing is going to get
>  out of hand, and when it does..."  Fortunately, only the score got out of
>  hand.  I later reviewed the game looking for evidence of "bad calls" and
>  "no-calls".  I didn't find much - the Lakers were simply, plainly,
>  stomped.

>  Hilarious - PJ blaming the Lakers "soft" defense on the refs, when it's
>  GARY (Payton) and Kobe losing their men, while Shaq is reluctant to help.  
>  Despite his injury, I thought Malone tried pretty hard to play "D" as best
>  he could.  One notable play was Rasheed setting a pick for Rip, Karl steps
>  up, while Kobe back pedals a step or two and waits for Rip to drive into]
>  the lane - meanwhile, Rasheed literally strolls down the key, Rip

   flipping the ball to Rasheed for the wide open, nobody home, dunk.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

>  Jackson didn't complain much about Crawford's reffing in the early part of
>  Game 3 of the WCF, because no-calls were to the Lakers advantage, putting
>  the Wolves into the very same spot the Lakers found themselves in Game3 of
>  the Finals..

>  Geez.  What a difference a loss makes, there PJ.

>  To their credit, the more serious Laker posters did not whine.  

>  (GARY = +1 self-imposed misspelling penalty Payton reference - insurance)

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Jake » Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:32:14

I think you have a good point but I'm not sure.  Could you repeat it in
English?


Quote:
> You're just torqued cuz you know that if the refs allow an all out
physical
> slugfest on the court the Pistons cant contain Shaq. Go ahead and lie and
> tell us he can be contained if allow to get as physical as compared to
watch
> punishment he receives.






>>http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZmFlcXBpBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ...
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> > >>N0aA--?slug=ap-nbafinals-notebook&prov=ap&type=lgns

> > >>Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
> > >>saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

> > >>``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to
> be
> > >>able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson
said.
> > >>``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting
> caught
> > >>for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's
> ridiculous
> > >>the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

> > >>The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles'
56 --
> > >>including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game
> in
> > >>the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's
> 56.

> > >>Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the
> court,
> > >>which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also
> believes a
> > >>series of key calls have gone against his team.

> > >>``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within
the
> > >>first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start
> backing
> > >>off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense
has
> to
> > >>be soft.''

> > > Waaaaaah!   Waaaaah!!   WAAAAAHH!!!!!!!
> > > Faker's are starting their already predicted excuses again.

> > No kidding. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Suddenly Shaq
> > isn't allowed to make a break for the basket like he's Christian Okoye
> > running through the 4 hole and the refs are being unfair?

> > Classic.

> > Preston

 
 
 

Phil says there's a double standard with the refs

Post by Yep » Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:23:05


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> Lakers coach Phil Jackson criticized the series' refereeing on Friday,
> saying the free throw discrepancy is due to a double standard.

> ``I'm going to have to make a stand with the officials, and we have to be
> able to play defense the way (the Pistons) play defense,'' Jackson said.
> ``In the bodies, up against arms, contesting shots and not getting caught
> for the foul. If we attempt to play this type of defense, it's ridiculous
> the foul calls that are (made), the disparity in this.''

> The Pistons have shot 91 free throws in the series to Los Angeles' 56 --
> including 28 by O'Neal, who's averaging nearly 12 free throws per game in
> the postseason. The Lakers have been called for 80 fouls to Detroit's 56.

> Jackson credits Detroit for superior aggression on both ends of the court,
> which often leads to favorable officiating -- but the coach also believes
a
> series of key calls have gone against his team.

> ``(In Game 3) in all four quarters, we were in foul jeopardy within the
> first three minutes of the quarter,'' he said. ``We have to start backing
> off because we're in a foul situation. As a consequence, our defense has
to
> be soft.''

Well here is an idea, ***face...STOP FOULING.