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am i the only one who knows basketball here?

Post by Sam41 » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00


MAGGETTE TOPS SCOUTS' WISH LIST  

Sam Smith.  

   NBA drafts are a lot easier to figure out in retrospect.
   Take 1995, when everybody was starting to look at this Kevin Garnett kid
around this time of year and to wonder where he would go in the draft if he
bypassed college for the NBA. Sure, he's a talent, NBA executives said, and he
may be a star, but he's so young and thus a risk.
   Garnett ended up going No. 5 to Minnesota after Joe Smith, Antonio McDyess,
Jerry Stackhouse and Rasheed Wallace.
   If that draft were held today, Garnett undoubtedly would be the No. 1 pick.
   As Shawn Kemp probably would be if the 1989 draft were held now. Kemp, whom
scouts loved, ended up No. 17 because he hadn't played in college, attending
junior college for a year. A decade later, only No. 14 pick Tim Hardaway has
had a career comparable to Kemp's.
   And look at 1996, when Allen Iverson was No. 1, Marcus Camby No. 2, Shareef
Abdur-Rahim No. 3, Stephon Marbury No. 4 and Ray Allen No. 5. Shouldn't Kobe
Bryant be in that group? He was No. 13 because he was thought to be too young
and immature coming out of high school.
   It's perhaps the most common mistake NBA executives make when looking at
collegiate--and high school--players. You go with talent and don't worry about
how much that player can help immediately.
   Which is why the No. 1 pick in June's NBA draft, if he were to leave college
this spring, would probably be Duke's Corey Maggette, from Fenwick High School.
   NBA executives have learned their lesson.
   Their scouts regard Maggette, a 6-foot-6-inch, 210-pound freshman, as no
worse than the fifth-best player in college today. He's being compared with the
Lakers' Bryant and the Rockets' Scottie Pippen, but with a better shot. Among
Duke players, perhaps only Grant Hill had more talent, scouts say, and in the
long run Maggette should be better than anyone in the 1999 draft, grading out
as the player with the most potential.
   Scouts don't expect Maggette to leave, but based on interviews with a
half-dozen NBA personnel men, here's an early peek at what the first round of
the draft might look like if every player in college were eligible:
   1. Maggette: He could fit into an NBA position as a wing player now with his
size and quickness. Last year, former Bulls coach Phil Jackson said Maggette
was the only high school player he had ever seen whom he'd project as an NBA
player.
   2. Steve Francis, 6-3, 194, jr., Maryland: Shooting point guard in the
Iverson mold, and bigger.
   3. Elton Brand, 6-8, 260, soph., Duke: Smallish NBA power forward. But
strong, with big hands, and takes up space, important qualities to scouts.
   4. Lamar Odom, 6-9, 220, soph., Rhode Island: The pick everyone fears. Magic
Johnson-like talent, but lifestyle leaves them wary. Some say he could project
only somewhat better than Jalen Rose.
   5. Baron Davis, 6-3, 190, soph., UCLA: Questions about summer knee surgery
could hold him back, but a big-time talent who is more of a scoring point
guard.
   6. Wally Szczerbiak, 6-8, 240, sr., Miami (Ohio): Not particularly fast, but
can get to the basket and is a terrific shooter, which is becoming a lost art
in the NBA.
   7. Terence Morris, 6-9, 205, soph., Maryland: Long-armed and thin, but very
athletic. Some regard him as a better prospect long term than teammate Francis.
   8. William Avery, 6-2, 180, soph., Duke: So that's why Duke is No. 1--its
lineup is stocked with pros. Avery plays the point well for a converted
shooting guard and hits more than 40 percent of his threes.

AND HE SHOULD BE SHOULD HIGHER!!! HIGHER THAN DAVIS, AT LEAST!!! BUT, THERE'S
ANOTHER LIST BELOW THAT GETS IT RIGHT...WELL, SORTA RIGHT.

   9. Andre Miller, 6-2, 200, sr., Utah: Not a great shooter, but pros love him
as a leader and believe he could run a team today. Strong.
   10. Jason Terry, 6-2, 170, sr., Arizona: Skinny point guard, but a good
shooter who has come on fast the last year.
   11. Quentin Richardson, 6-6, 220, fr., DePaul: A basketball player. Pros
believe he needs to play shooting guard, perhaps small forward. But he can
shoot with range and has a feel for the game. One scout compared him with
Adrian Dantley. Could be worth a higher pick because of his potential.
   12. Shawn Marion, 6-7, 215, jr., UNLV: Has a great floor game, but not a
great shot.
   13. Brendan Haywood, 7-0, 265, soph., North Carolina: Best center in
college.
   14. Tim James, 6-7, 220, sr., Miami (Fla.): An athlete who can jump and has
improved consistently.
   15. Jumaine Jones, 6-7, 210, soph., Georgia: Another Dominique? No, but an
exciting player.
   16. Ron Artest, 6-6, 230, soph., St. John's: An undersized power forward,
but tough and determined.
   17. Richard Hamilton, 6-6, 180, jr., UConn: In the Kerry Kittles, Reggie
Miller mold of shooting guards.
   18. Chris Porter, 6-7, 220, jr., Auburn: A terrific all-around athlete with
exciting versatility.
   19. James Posey, 6-8, 210, sr., Xavier: Strong inside game. Senior starter
after excelling as sixth man.
   20. Kenny Thomas, 6-8, 250, sr., New Mexico: Hasn't always met his
potential, but has good skills.
   21. Trajan Langdon, 6-3, 195, sr., Duke: In the words of one NBA exec:
"Watch Duke-Maryland and you'll see the first round." A great shooter.
   22. Todd MacCulloch, 7-0, 280, sr., Washington: Perennial field-goal
percentage leader. You can't teach height.
   23. Evan Eschmeyer, 6-11, 245, sr., Northwestern: Another in the line of
Will Perdue wannabes. It's a nice living.
   24. Shane Battier, 6-8, 230, so., Duke: Pro-style defender already with good
shooting range.
   25. Ma*** Cleaves, 6-2, 195, jr., Michigan State: Point guard with a Vinny
Johnson-type physique.
   26. Hanno Mottola, 6-10, 230, jr., Utah: Good big man who can move outside.
   27. Chris Herren, 6-3, 185, sr., Fresno State: Good shooter and can handle
the ball.
   28. Lee Nailon, 6-9, 225, sr., TCU: Has been a big-time college scorer, but
pros see Tom Hammonds in this 'tweener.
   29. Khalid El-Amin, 5-10, 200, soph., UConn: If you like comparisons, try
John Bagley.

Copyright Chicago Tribune

From the Sunday L.A. Times this morning:

1. Corey Maggette, Duke "He's a freshman, doesn't start and isn't coming out
but is considered next in the line of Kobe Bryant and Larry Hughes - and closer
to Kobe than Hughes. Only Grant Hill, among the Dukies, was as gifted as he
is."

2. Steve Francis, Maryland "Made for the pros...great body, major hops."

3. Wally Szczerbiak, Miami (ohio)

4. Lamar Odom, Rhode Island "He's not Magic or Scottie or even Toni but he can
really handle."

5. Elton Brand, Duke "Pros fear he's 6-7 or (shudder) 6-6. He's not earthbound,
but he's not Charles Barkley"

6. Terence Morris, Maryland "Often called the Terrapins' best prospect, which
is saying something"

7. William Avery, Duke "Great athlete, plays point well, especially for a
converted shooting guard"

8. Baron Davis, UCLA "Looks as if he's gone....Some wonder about playmaking; on
a three-on-two once, he passed to himself, banking the ball off the board."

9. Andre Miller, Utah "...lacks some things - quickness, range - but is
well-schooled and takes the ball anywhere he wants"

10. Brendan Haywood, UNC

11. Quentin Richardson, DePaul

12. Jason Terry, Arizona

13. Shawn Marion, UNLV "All-around player, but not a great shooter yet"

14. Tim James, Miami "Fine athlete who can sky, improved every season."

15. Ron Artest, St. John's "Hard-nosed power forward with skills, but a tad
short"

16. Hanno Mottola, Utah "Big youngster with perimeter skills. Should be in
lottery next spring" -

17. Richard Hamilton, UConn -

18. Evan Eschmeyer, Northwestern "Not overpowering, but has touch and many
wiles"

19. Kenny Thomas, New Mexico "Good skills. Finally lost some weight and played
a good game in the NCAA Tournament"

20. James Posey, Xavier "Late bloomer"

21. Ma*** Cleaves, Michigan State "Good point but range only 15-18 feet"

22. Jumaine Jones, Georgia "Athletic, raw" - assuming he studied real hard to
discover this stuff about him...

23. Michael Redd, Ohio State "needs only consistency from the arc to tie a
ribbon on the package"

24. Shane Battier, Duke "Expected to stay and improve more"

25. Dan Gadzuric, UCLA "Unpolished, but a high-energy big man, which is rare
enough... if he doesn't improve, he's just the next Jelani McCoy" - .

26. Trajan Langdon, Duke "Small for NBA shooting guard, but admirers see Dell
Curry" -

27. Mike Miller, Florida "...could make lottery some day"

28. Khalid El-Amin, UConn "Last year, I got all e***d, mistaking him for a
playmaker... Fireplug body, but makes lots of big plays" Hmm, so is he or isn't
he?

29. Jerome Moiso, UCLA "Pros want to see him get stronger, but he has some
tools."

Others: Roberto Bergersen, Boise State; Lee Nailon, TCU; Laron Profit,
Maryland; Luke Recker, Indiana; A.J. Guyton, Indiana; Etan Thomas, Syracuse;
Todd MacCulloch, Washington; Mark Madsen, Stanford; Chris Porter, Auburn;
Quincy Lewis, Minnesota.

DUKE FANS, BELIEVE IN YOUR TEAM!!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Thomas Cunningha » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

:    7. Terence Morris, 6-9, 205, soph., Maryland: Long-armed and thin, but very
: athletic. Some regard him as a better prospect long term than teammate Francis.

This is ridiculous. Terrence Morris at 7? Who were they interviewing,
Clippers scouts?

Ron Artest and Jumaine Jones are BOTH better prospects than Morris.
Neither have the consistent jumpshot yet, but both of them have solid
frames and can bang - something Morris may never be able to do.

 
 
 

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Post by Sam41 » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Date: 3/14/1999 10:20 AM Pacific

>:    7. Terence Morris, 6-9, 205, soph., Maryland: Long-armed and thin, but
>very
>: athletic. Some regard him as a better prospect long term than teammate
>Francis.

>This is ridiculous. Terrence Morris at 7? Who were they interviewing,
>Clippers scouts?

>Ron Artest and Jumaine Jones are BOTH better prospects than Morris.
>Neither have the consistent jumpshot yet, but both of them have solid
>frames and can bang - something Morris may never be able to do.

you are a damned fool...morris has a better outside shot...and he's a better
defender (well, battier lit him up...but, hell, that's shane...he'll be a
lottery pick one day). morris will be a small forward. and don't put ron artest
in the converasation...he's overrated in my book...he's hella slow.

DUKE FANS, BELIEVE IN YOUR TEAM!!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Jeff Tinda » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> AND HE SHOULD BE SHOULD HIGHER!!! HIGHER THAN DAVIS, AT LEAST!!! BUT, THERE'S
> ANOTHER LIST BELOW THAT GETS IT RIGHT...WELL, SORTA RIGHT.
> From the Sunday L.A. Times this morning:

> 1. Corey Maggette, Duke
> 2. Steve Francis, Maryland
> 3. Wally Szczerbiak, Miami
> 4. Lamar Odom, Rhode Island
> 5. Elton Brand, Duke

The best thing the second list did was get the Szczerbiak-Brand thing
right. But even I don't think Odom should go higher than Brand... and I
seriously doubt any NBA teams, drafting today, would pick Maggette over
Brand, either.

Cheers,
--Jeff
http://members.cincinnati.com/~tindall/

 
 
 

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Post by Greg R Per » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:


>> AND HE SHOULD BE SHOULD HIGHER!!! HIGHER THAN DAVIS, AT LEAST!!!
BUT, THERE'S
>> ANOTHER LIST BELOW THAT GETS IT RIGHT...WELL, SORTA RIGHT.
>> From the Sunday L.A. Times this morning:

>> 1. Corey Maggette, Duke
>> 2. Steve Francis, Maryland
>> 3. Wally Szczerbiak, Miami
>> 4. Lamar Odom, Rhode Island
>> 5. Elton Brand, Duke

>The best thing the second list did was get the Szczerbiak-Brand thing
>right. But even I don't think Odom should go higher than Brand... and
I
>seriously doubt any NBA teams, drafting today, would pick Maggette
over
>Brand, either.

  You don't see Odom over Brand?  Odom is a future NBA all-star, while
Brand is a 5-8 minute a game 3rd-string power forward, and that's if he
puts in lots of work on his game.
 
 
 

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Post by Thomas Cunningha » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

: >Ron Artest and Jumaine Jones are BOTH better prospects than Morris.
: >Neither have the consistent jumpshot yet, but both of them have solid
: >frames and can bang - something Morris may never be able to do.

: you are a damned fool...morris has a better outside shot...and he's a better
: defender (well, battier lit him up...but, hell, that's shane...he'll be a
: lottery pick one day). morris will be a small forward. and don't put ron artest
: in the converasation...he's overrated in my book...he's hella slow.

I am telling you now - Morris will not be a factor in the NBA. He's a tall
Walt Williams -- an NBA role player. He's another one of those good ACC
college players whose game won't make the adjustment to the pros. Like
Rodney Rogers. Or Joe Smith.

Ron Artest will be an impact player. He'll move up in the rankings as the
camps start opening up by virture of his size, his height, and his
athleticism.

 
 
 

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Post by Greg R Per » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>I am telling you now - Morris will not be a factor in the NBA. He's a
tall
>Walt Williams -- an NBA role player.

    You must really dislike Walt Williams.  Morris will never have half
the game that Walt Williams does.
 
 
 

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Post by Sam41 » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Date: 3/14/1999 2:01 PM Pacific

>: >Ron Artest and Jumaine Jones are BOTH better prospects than Morris.
>: >Neither have the consistent jumpshot yet, but both of them have solid
>: >frames and can bang - something Morris may never be able to do.

>: you are a damned fool...morris has a better outside shot...and he's a
>better
>: defender (well, battier lit him up...but, hell, that's shane...he'll be a
>: lottery pick one day). morris will be a small forward. and don't put ron
>artest
>: in the converasation...he's overrated in my book...he's hella slow.

>I am telling you now - Morris will not be a factor in the NBA. He's a tall
>Walt Williams -- an NBA role player. He's another one of those good ACC
>college players whose game won't make the adjustment to the pros. Like
>Rodney Rogers. Or Joe Smith.

you aren't telling me anything, except that you're an acc-hater...you were
probably one of those idiots who thought moten would be better than grant hill.
and joe smith? what about him? you saying he's a bust? please...go ahead.

Quote:
>Ron Artest will be an impact player. He'll move up in the rankings as the
>camps start opening up by virture of his size, his height, and his
>athleticism.

ron artest is a slow piece of crap...is he a 3 or 4...too small at 4...too slow
at 3...worthless.

DUKE FANS, BELIEVE IN YOUR TEAM!!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Guy Fletche » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


>:    7. Terence Morris, 6-9, 205, soph., Maryland: Long-armed and thin, but
very
>: athletic. Some regard him as a better prospect long term than teammate
Francis.

>This is ridiculous. Terrence Morris at 7? Who were they interviewing,
>Clippers scouts?

>Ron Artest and Jumaine Jones are BOTH better prospects than Morris.
>Neither have the consistent jumpshot yet, but both of them have solid
>frames and can bang - something Morris may never be able to do.

This single comment shows that you (A) have never seen Terence Morris play
or (B) know nothing about basketball. I'm selecting all of the above.
 
 
 

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Post by John For » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> : This single comment shows that you (A) have never seen Terence Morris play
> : or (B) know nothing about basketball. I'm selecting all of the above.

> I live for posts like this. No effort to refute any argument I made above,
> and no effort to prove me wrong...let me drop some FACTS on you and
> disprove some MYTHS.

> FACT: Terrence Morris is 6'9" and 205 pounds. He'll likely be an NBA
> SF.
> FACT: Terrence Morris is smaller than the average NBA SF and lighter too.
> Look at guys like Marcus Camby, John Wallace, and Shareef Abdur-Rahim. All
> bigger than Morris.

> MYTH: Terrence Morris is a better perimeter player than Ron Artest.
> FACT: Morris SHOT WORSE from three point land this season than Ron
> Artest (Artest - 56-148 for 37.8, Morris 25-70 for 35.7%), in a conference
> where games are lower scoring and more defense is played.
> FACT : Artest took MORE three point attempts at a higher ratio than
> Terrence Morris - twice as many.

> MYTH: Morris is a better passer than Artest.
> FACT : Artest averages 4 assists a game. Morris - 1.6.
> FACT : Artest has a better A/TO ratio than Terrence Morris.

> MYTH: Ron Artest is a tweener.
> FACT : Artest is a capable three point shooter and passer. He's a viable
> SF in the NBA.
> FACT : Artest is 6'9" and 245 pounds.

   Thomas, I was going along nodding at your points and mostly agreeing
with you (although Terence Morris IS going to be a lottery pick) ...
because I love Ron Artest -- he's one of the toughest, smartest players
in the country.
   But according to the official St. John's roster, he's 6-6, 233 pounds.
-- not 6-9, 245.<
   I can't believe you've seen Artest play and believe that he's 6-9.<
   If anything, the 6-6 is generous.

 He plays in the Big East, which

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> arguably prepares NBA big men better than any other conference. Artest has
> the size to be a viable NBA PF.
> FACT : Artest is a swing forward, not a tweener.

> I must apologize for my comments about Walt Williams. I never meant to
> slander Walt Williams in any way by comparing him to Terrence Morris. Walt
> Williams is by far the better player.

 
 
 

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Post by Guy Fletche » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


>: This single comment shows that you (A) have never seen Terence Morris
play
>: or (B) know nothing about basketball. I'm selecting all of the above.

>I live for posts like this. No effort to refute any argument I made above,
>and no effort to prove me wrong...let me drop some FACTS on you and
>disprove some MYTHS.

How about this fact: Terence Morris was a first-team All ACC in just his
second season. By the prediction of nearly every NBA scout who has attended
Maryland games, he is a lock lottery pick next year. Heck, if he left this
year he could make a bundle.
As for your so-called stats, there are holes everywhere. For example, you
seem to criticize Morris for not taking more three-point shots or having
more assists. Well, if Ron Artest had a surrounding cast like Morris did
(Ever heard of a player called Steve Francis?) I bet his individual numbers
wouldn't be so lofty. That's another thing the scouts love about Morris --
he's a team player.
I honestly believe you have not seen this guy play, or else your obsession
with slamming him would cease. Morris can shoot, rebound, pass and also run
the floor better than any other player his size in Division I. And don't
forget his defense, which usually includes a handful of blocked shots each
game. He is the complete package. Tune in Thursday night and find out for
yourself. You might find the experience educational.
Quote:
>FACT: Terrence Morris is 6'9" and 205 pounds. He'll likely be an NBA
>SF.
>FACT: Terrence Morris is smaller than the average NBA SF and lighter too.
>Look at guys like Marcus Camby, John Wallace, and Shareef Abdur-Rahim. All
>bigger than Morris.

>MYTH: Terrence Morris is a better perimeter player than Ron Artest.
>FACT: Morris SHOT WORSE from three point land this season than Ron
>Artest (Artest - 56-148 for 37.8, Morris 25-70 for 35.7%), in a conference
>where games are lower scoring and more defense is played.
>FACT : Artest took MORE three point attempts at a higher ratio than
>Terrence Morris - twice as many.

>MYTH: Morris is a better passer than Artest.
>FACT : Artest averages 4 assists a game. Morris - 1.6.
>FACT : Artest has a better A/TO ratio than Terrence Morris.

>MYTH: Ron Artest is a tweener.
>FACT : Artest is a capable three point shooter and passer. He's a viable
>SF in the NBA.
>FACT : Artest is 6'9" and 245 pounds. He plays in the Big East, which
>arguably prepares NBA big men better than any other conference. Artest has
>the size to be a viable NBA PF.
>FACT : Artest is a swing forward, not a tweener.

>I must apologize for my comments about Walt Williams. I never meant to
>slander Walt Williams in any way by comparing him to Terrence Morris. Walt
>Williams is by far the better player.

 
 
 

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Post by Jared4 » Tue, 16 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


>:    7. Terence Morris, 6-9, 205, soph., Maryland: Long-armed and thin, but
>very
>: athletic. Some regard him as a better prospect long term than teammate
>Francis.

>This is ridiculous. Terrence Morris at 7? Who were they interviewing,
>Clippers scouts?

No you are ridiculous, Terrance Morris has three point range, can run the floor
is an excellant shot blocker.

Quote:
>Ron Artest and Jumaine Jones are BOTH better prospects than Morris.
>Neither have the consistent jumpshot yet, but both of them have solid
>frames and can bang - something Morris may never be able to do.

 Ron Artest is an bum, he's a tweener who will have a great career ....in the
CBA.

Jumaine Jones is a project.

 
 
 

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Post by Jared4 » Tue, 16 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


>: >Ron Artest and Jumaine Jones are BOTH better prospects than Morris.
>: >Neither have the consistent jumpshot yet, but both of them have solid
>: >frames and can bang - something Morris may never be able to do.

>: you are a damned fool...morris has a better outside shot...and he's a
>better
>: defender (well, battier lit him up...but, hell, that's shane...he'll be a
>: lottery pick one day). morris will be a small forward. and don't put ron
>artest
>: in the converasation...he's overrated in my book...he's hella slow.
>I am telling you now - Morris will not be a factor in the NBA. He's a tall
>Walt Williams -- an NBA role player. He's another one of those good ACC
>college players whose game won't make the adjustment to the pros.

 What adjustments? all he has to do is improve his bal handling in the open
court, other than that he has all the tools.

Like Rodney Rogers>>
 Career averages per game
12 points 4 rebounds, 2 assists.

<<. Or Joe Smith.>>
 Career averages per game
 16 points, 8 rebounds & he's only 24 !!!!

 Now neither of them are Karl Malone's Or charles Barkleys, but they aren't
Busts.

Quote:
>Ron Artest will be an impact player. He'll move up in the rankings as the
>camps start opening up by virture of his size, his height, and his
>athleticism.

 this statement  proves your idiocy for all time,

he is a tweener who has no game. he stinks.

P.S. -  Maryland plays St. Johns on thursday , get ready for Mr Artest to get
his ass kicked. Like you just got yours.