God I hope the lock out ends soon. Then we can talk about baseball in
the present tense. But...
[about Don Sutton]
> Yes, its impressive. But if a team never said "uh oh were going against Sutton
> today, we're in trouble" I don't think he needs a plaque in Cooperstown.
> is pretty restrictive agreed, someone else suggested fif*** years.
I say: lets get rid of career win totals as benchmarks and look at whether
the players were truly great when they were at their peak.
> Should we enshrine Koosman, Hunter, Tiant, Blyleven, J Niekro,
> Bobo Newsome, Guidry, Morris, J Perry, Bunning, Newhouser
> (is he already in?), Blue, Reushel!! etc? Some say yes, I hope not.
Well, let's run down the list:
Hunter? already in; he was, in his prime, the kind of pitcher
opponents feared, but nobody would argue he was the best of his era.
Tiant? A tougher call than Koosman, certainly. I'm glad he'll get
votes, but I wonder whether he really belongs. He was certainly one
of the most enjoyable pitchers to watch, and a very fine pitcher, too.
I've heard people argue he was better than Drysdale, but I don't find
that the most convincing argument.
Blyleven? You can look at some of his lifetime stats and be very
impressed, but I'm finding it tough to say "Yes, that's our man." I
expect he'll get in when someone finds out he has the most shutouts of
any pitcher not in the Hall.
J Niekro? No.
Bobo Newsome? I don't know enough about him, to be honest. Maybe
that's telling, but maybe not.
Guidry? Funny, I just posted about him... Whenever I think about
Guidry, I think about 1978, when he went 25-3 with an ERA of 1.74 and
struck out 248 people while leading the Yankees to the pennant. What
rotten luck to do that the same season Jim Rice racks up 406 total
bases and wins the MVP. But of course, he was 16-7 the year before,
and 18-8 the year after, then 17-10, and 11-5, and 14-8, and 21-9, and
had a 22-6 season in 1985. While I don't really believe in wins and
winning percentage, I find it difficult to argue the man was a VERY
fine pitcher, who would have won a lot more games if he had won any
before he was 26.
Morris? Maybe it's because I saw him pitch a lot, but I don't know why
he shouldn't be a decent candidate. He was certainly the kind of pitcher
other teams didn't like to face. One or two more good seasons, and
there would be less of an argument. Too bad he didn't have his career
in a major media center.
J Perry? No, although he had his moments.
Bunning? Before my time, but Ted Williams was really impressed with
him, and he did play for less than awesome teams. It looks like he
might not get in, though.
Newhouser? Again, way before my time, and I don't know his stats that well.
Reushel? No. Although if his current "second career" with the Giants
keeps on going and going and going...
> Just my random, chaotic thoughts.
> Dave Masten