1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Samuel N Kame » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 04:53:58



Quote:
>The following is a list of those players who will be eligible for Hall of
>Fame induction for the first time this year.  I have restricted the list to
>those players who, IMHO, have some prayer of some day receiving a vote.

[ Lists of players omitted ....]

Quote:

>Dr. Dave's predictions: Carew and Fingers on the first ballot, Perry and
>Jenkins getting some votes but not inducted for at least 5 more years.

I'd agree on Carew and Fingers, but I think Rusty Staub might have a chance
too -- he's a pretty popular guy!

Quote:
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>        David M. Tate       | "The concept of weight of evidence was central

>                            |  32 other publications [of mine].  What I say 33
> "A Man for all Seasonings" |  times is true."          -- I. J. Good.  

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1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by David M Ta » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 04:08:31

The following is a list of those players who will be eligible for Hall of
Fame induction for the first time this year.  I have restricted the list to
those players who, IMHO, have some prayer of some day receiving a vote.

Rod Carew
Rollie Fingers
Burt Hooton
Bruce Kison
Jerry Koosman
Al Oliver
Steve Rogers
Rusty Staub

Clearly, some of these are extreme long-shots, but I'd rather err on the side
of including someone unlikely than fail to include someone who does get a vote.

The following is my list of the best players who have been passed over thus
far:

Bobby Bonds
Ferguson Jenkins
Gaylord Perry
Luis Tiant

Dr. Dave's predictions: Carew and Fingers on the first ballot, Perry and
Jenkins getting some votes but not inducted for at least 5 more years.

--
        David M. Tate       | "The concept of weight of evidence was central

                            |  32 other publications [of mine].  What I say 33
 "A Man for all Seasonings" |  times is true."          -- I. J. Good.  

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by tom sulliv » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 12:44:38


Quote:

>>The following is a list of those players who will be eligible for Hall of
>>Fame induction for the first time this year.  I have restricted the list to
>>those players who, IMHO, have some prayer of some day receiving a vote.

>[ Lists of players omitted ....]

>I'd agree on Carew and Fingers, but I think Rusty Staub might have a chance
>too -- he's a pretty popular guy!

"He's a pretty popular guy?" What is this the Hall of Fame or a
popularity contest? Thank goodness the votes are cast by the BBWAA
and not the fans (like All-Star Games). I don't even think Rusty
Staub should be considered!

As for other first timers, the only one I think deserves a first ballot
shot is Rod Carew. I've got problems sending a relief pitcher on his
first ballot.

I think Gaylord Perry deserves to get in and maybe Fergie Jenkins; however,
he's got that drug bust*** over him, and that'll take some votes away.

I don't remember the others who haven't yet made it, but it seems to me
there are some others who are viable candidates.

Finally, a question to ponder... If there's no baseball this summer
(god forbid), who will play the annual game in Cooperstown at the hall-of-fame
initiation?

tom...

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Stuart Schulm » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 15:45:32

Carew--first ballot, no questions asked.

Fingers--He belongs in; he may not be first ballot.

I'll buy in to Perry, Bonds, Fergie making it in.  (I blew it on Jenkins...
he's GOT to be the answer to Quiz #7 question 1.

Al Oliver and Rusty Staub:  I think they are going to languish in the
Orlando Cepada/Joe Torre Purgatory.  My preference would be to see Staub and
not Oliver.

Jerry Koosman:  DISCLAIMER:  I'm a Met Fan.

I always thought Kooz was underrrated, or at least that he lived in the
shadow of The Franchise.  Koosman put up some quite dewcent stats.  Two
20-game seasons.  One 19-win season his rookie year (came in second in
ROTY ballotting behind some guy named Bench :-)); 225 or so wins, 2500+
strikeouts; Three  World Series Wins, a World Series ring, another Pennant
with the Mets, and a divisional title with the White Sox in 1983.  An ERA of
about 3.40.

Is he in a class with Palmer, Seaver, Koufax?:  No, but I'd rate him over
Don Sutton, Rube Marquard, Eppa Rixey and Gaylord Perry.  I expect Kooz
to get a handful (20 out of 450) votes, and never make it in.

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Samuel N Kame » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 17:04:14

Quote:



>>>The following is a list of those players who will be eligible for Hall of
>>>Fame induction for the first time this year.  I have restricted the list to
>>>those players who, IMHO, have some prayer of some day receiving a vote.

>>[ Lists of players omitted ....]

>>I'd agree on Carew and Fingers, but I think Rusty Staub might have a chance
>>too -- he's a pretty popular guy!

>"He's a pretty popular guy?" What is this the Hall of Fame or a
>popularity contest? Thank goodness the votes are cast by the BBWAA
>and not the fans (like All-Star Games). I don't even think Rusty
>Staub should be considered!

Much as we might think the BBWAA only vote for the HOF because of stats
or pure ability, or even leadership qualities, or anything, I think they
also have a definite streak of who they like.  Someone who is generally
not well-liked (I think) will have a tough time making it, while someone
who is very well liked might have a slightly better chance.  

Just my 2 cents.

--
Sam Kamens                   |  "What is the air speed velocity of an unladen

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by F.. » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 10:32:35

Dr. Dave: Ok, I give up.  Explain to me why in the world Bobby Bonds
deserves to be a Hall of Fame member.

Tom Buckley

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by David M Ta » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 23:29:29

Quote:

>Dr. Dave: Ok, I give up.  Explain to me why in the world Bobby Bonds
>deserves to be a Hall of Fame member.

>Tom Buckley

I never said he *deserves* it; I said I think he'll get in eventually.  There's
a big difference there.  What will happen is that the Veterans Committee (or
some future equivalent) will discover that he and Willie Mays are the only 300
HR/300 SB players, and decide that Bonds must have been great.  This sort of
thing has happened a number of times already.  Look through the Hall of Fame
enrollment--there are players in there who never led the league in *anything*,
in their entire careers!  Practically anyone with a lifetime .310 average is
in, despite the fact that some of them played when the league average was .295
or so.  Outfielders on the order of Ralph Garr are in; pitchers on the order
of Mickey***ch are in.  It's practically an equal opportunity establishment.

As for who *deserves* to be in, I'm currently working on my own "Hall of Fame"
(I'll have to come up with a different name for it).  If anyone's interested,
I'll send (or post) a copy when I'm done...

--
        David M. Tate       | "The concept of weight of evidence was central

                            |  32 other publications [of mine].  What I say 33
 "A Man for all Seasonings" |  times is true."          -- I. J. Good.  

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Paul Goo » Thu, 22 Feb 1990 03:38:37

Quote:

> Is he [Jerry Koosman] in a class with Palmer, Seaver, Koufax?:  
> No, but I'd rate him over
> Don Sutton, Rube Marquard, Eppa Rixey and Gaylord Perry.  I expect Kooz
> to get a handful (20 out of 450) votes, and never make it in.

I'd like to see the numbers on Koosman compared to Sutton and Perry.
Koosman was an above-average pitcher, but Perry was a 300-game winner
and Sutton was one of the most consistent pitchers in baseball history.

Paul

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Joe Lun » Wed, 21 Feb 1990 23:53:50


[Dave's candidates for the Hall-of-Fame and some of next years hopefuls]

Rod Carew           YES
Rollie Fingers      YES
Burt Hooton         NO
Bruce Kison         NO
Jerry Koosman       NO
Al Oliver           NO
Steve Rogers        NO
Rusty Staub         NO

Bobby Bonds         YES
Ferguson Jenkins    YES
Gaylord Perry       NO
Luis Tiant          NO

____________________________________________

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1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Scott Barm » Tue, 27 Feb 1990 09:24:17

Quote:

>I'd like to see the numbers on Koosman compared to Sutton and Perry.
>Koosman was an above-average pitcher, but Perry was a 300-game winner
>and Sutton was one of the most consistent pitchers in baseball history.

Wasn't it Sutton on the event of his 300th victory who said something
along the lines of:

        It's no big deal... if someone has been in this league
        as long as I have, they should win 300 games.

??????

I would like to see this list, too!
--
scott barman

uucp:     {philabs, ge-dab, crdgw1}!nbc1!scott

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Laurel Falc » Fri, 02 Mar 1990 13:11:54

1. I am starting a new league this year.  We have 10 participants.
We're thinking of having an auction.  This auction will be conducted via
a mega-conference call.  How long do you think it will take to auction
off 10 23-man rosters?

2. I would appreciate any comments on the relative merits of these two
systems for retaining players after the last year of their contract:
        -The guaranteed long term contract (official RLB rules).

        -'Topper rights' system (found in _How to Win at Rotisserie
          Baseball_ by Peter Golenbock).

Thanks.

                                                John Franjione

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Kent Ostby 1-691-34 » Sun, 04 Mar 1990 08:44:42

John -- Massive conference call is going to be a MASSIVE headache.  It's
still better than a draft.  As for the topper/contract theory, I think there
is merit to both.

Oz

 
 
 

1990 Hall of Fame Eligibles

Post by Laurel Falc » Wed, 07 Mar 1990 15:17:17

A while back, I remember reading that someone had a listing of final AL
hitting and pitching stats.  Could someone who has these please mail
them to me?  It's time for me to start rating players!  Thanks.

                                        John Franjione