it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by jingu » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:29:27


if you saw a baseball player who had the following major league batting
statitics:

most career home runs (761+, probably will reach 800)
most single season home runs (73)
most career walks (nearly 2,600)
most single season walks (232)
most career intentional walks (nearly 700)
most single season intentional walks (12)
most consecutive games with a walk (18)
most consecutive seasons with 30+ home runs (13)
highest single season slugging percentage (0.863)
most consecutive seasons with 0.600+ slugging percentage (8)
most seasons with 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases (tied at 5)
only player with 500+ home runs and 500+ stolen bases
most consecutive plate appearances with a walk (tied at 7)
most consecutive plate appearances reaching base (tied at 15)

even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
records by a considerable margin.

the person holding all of these statistics is BARRY BONDS - who is
without *reasonable* doubt, the greatest home run hitter to ever play
major league baseball.

yet, in spite of all of the facts, you have feeble minds who continue to
insist, based on little more than belief, that babe ruth was the
greatest home run hitter.  these are people who have never even actually
seen ruth play, but they are certain in their belief that ruth was the
greatest, in spite of all of the facts that clearly indicate otherwise.
then again, you have people who believe in the tooth fairy and the
easter bunny without any factual basis for doing so and without having
seen either the tooth fairy or the easter bunny, so i guess it is
possible to believe that ruth is the greatest home run hitter without
having actually seen him play, and without any factual basis for
believing so.

the best that these half-wits can offer is a concocted "games/home run"
statistic.  keep in mind that *nobody* every considered such a statistic
when ruth held the record for career home runs - it was only invented
after he no longer held the record.

one of the things that makes this record so ridiculous is that it is
influenced by things that the batter can't control.  for example, bonds
had nearly 700 *recorded* intentional walks, and you can be that he had
at least as many unrecorded intentional walks.  bonds drew walks at a
higher rate than did ruth.  the reason why bonds drew so many walks is
because pitchers have been afraid to pitch to him.  you can't blame
barry bonds for that, but the "games/home run" statistic to which these
feeble minds so desparately cling doesn't take into account the fact
that pitches were more prone to avoid pitching to barry bonds than they
were to ruth.  it was a different time, and i'm sure that the notion of
given an intentional walk would have been frowned upon in ruth's time.

give it a rest folks, babe ruth was one of the greatest home run hitters
of his time and is still one of the greatest to play major league
baseball.  but ruth is no longer the greatest home run hitter to ever
play major league baseball.  so it's time for some of you to disabuse
yourselves of feeble-minded notions that ruth is still the greatest home
run hitter and recognize that barry bonds is now the greatest home run
hitter to ever play major league baseball.

...and while you're at it, you can give up on the tooth fairy and the
easter bunny as well.

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it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by Tonawanda Karde » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:17:27


Quote:
> if you saw a baseball player who had the following major league batting
> statitics:

> most career home runs (761+, probably will reach 800)
> most single season home runs (73)
> most career walks (nearly 2,600)
> most single season walks (232)
> most career intentional walks (nearly 700)
> most single season intentional walks (12)
> most consecutive games with a walk (18)
> most consecutive seasons with 30+ home runs (13)
> highest single season slugging percentage (0.863)
> most consecutive seasons with 0.600+ slugging percentage (8)
> most seasons with 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases (tied at 5)
> only player with 500+ home runs and 500+ stolen bases
> most consecutive plate appearances with a walk (tied at 7)
> most consecutive plate appearances reaching base (tied at 15)

> even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
> home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
> league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
> records by a considerable margin.

> the person holding all of these statistics is BARRY BONDS - who is
> without *reasonable* doubt, the greatest home run hitter to ever play
> major league baseball.

> yet, in spite of all of the facts, you have feeble minds who continue to
> insist, based on little more than belief, that babe ruth was the
> greatest home run hitter.  these are people who have never even actually
> seen ruth play, but they are certain in their belief that ruth was the
> greatest, in spite of all of the facts that clearly indicate otherwise.
> then again, you have people who believe in the tooth fairy and the
> easter bunny without any factual basis for doing so and without having
> seen either the tooth fairy or the easter bunny, so i guess it is
> possible to believe that ruth is the greatest home run hitter without
> having actually seen him play, and without any factual basis for
> believing so.

> the best that these half-wits can offer is a concocted "games/home run"
> statistic.  keep in mind that *nobody* every considered such a statistic
> when ruth held the record for career home runs - it was only invented
> after he no longer held the record.

> one of the things that makes this record so ridiculous is that it is
> influenced by things that the batter can't control.  for example, bonds
> had nearly 700 *recorded* intentional walks, and you can be that he had
> at least as many unrecorded intentional walks.  bonds drew walks at a
> higher rate than did ruth.  the reason why bonds drew so many walks is
> because pitchers have been afraid to pitch to him.  you can't blame
> barry bonds for that, but the "games/home run" statistic to which these
> feeble minds so desparately cling doesn't take into account the fact
> that pitches were more prone to avoid pitching to barry bonds than they
> were to ruth.  it was a different time, and i'm sure that the notion of
> given an intentional walk would have been frowned upon in ruth's time.

> give it a rest folks, babe ruth was one of the greatest home run hitters
> of his time and is still one of the greatest to play major league
> baseball.  but ruth is no longer the greatest home run hitter to ever
> play major league baseball.  so it's time for some of you to disabuse
> yourselves of feeble-minded notions that ruth is still the greatest home
> run hitter and recognize that barry bonds is now the greatest home run
> hitter to ever play major league baseball.

> ...and while you're at it, you can give up on the tooth fairy and the
> easter bunny as well.

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The mere fact you even have to post this is all the truth anyone needs.

 
 
 

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by cop.. » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:58:08


Quote:
> even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
> home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
> league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
> records by a considerable margin.

First, you demonstrate the biggest flaw of counting stats -- how long
it takes to reach their total.

Secondly, a significant amount of these numbers were put up in the
period Bonds probably took performance enhancing ***. Therefore,
they are tainted and the final totals suspect.

BTW, Bonds *has* admitted to taking steroids (the clear and the cream)
in this era. Even if his claims he didn't know what they were are
true, he was still got the benefits of the steroids during that time.

Quote:
> the person holding all of these statistics is BARRY BONDS - who is
> without *reasonable* doubt, the greatest home run hitter to ever play
> major league baseball.

Even if that were true, so?

Quote:
> so i guess it is
> possible to believe that ruth is the greatest home run hitter without
> having actually seen him play, and without any factual basis for
> believing so.

Is it part of your rant^E^E^E^E^E^theory that Ruth's use of beer and
***s were performance enhancing ***?

Quote:
> the best that these half-wits can offer is a concocted "games/home run"
> statistic.  keep in mind that *nobody* every considered such a statistic
> when ruth held the record for career home runs - it was only invented
> after he no longer held the record.

The didn't need it before Ruth held the HR record because he would
have crushed other player's HR records.

Oh, and Bonds never outhomered multiple *teams* in any season.

Quote:
> the reason why bonds drew so many walks is
> because pitchers have been afraid to pitch to him

Who can blame a pitcher when Bonds all but steps to the plate with a
needle sticking out of his ass?

Brandon

 
 
 

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by David M. Nieporen » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:09:17


Quote:


>> even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
>> home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
>> league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
>> records by a considerable margin.
>First, you demonstrate the biggest flaw of counting stats -- how long
>it takes to reach their total.
>Secondly, a significant amount of these numbers were put up in the
>period Bonds probably took performance enhancing ***. Therefore,
>they are tainted and the final totals suspect.
>BTW, Bonds *has* admitted to taking steroids (the clear and the cream)
>in this era. Even if his claims he didn't know what they were are
>true, he was still got the benefits of the steroids during that time.

No, he didn't "admit" that.  At no point did Bonds ever say he used the
clear and the cream.
 
 
 

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by Hank Gillett » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:32:13


Quote:

> Secondly, a significant amount of these numbers were put up in the
> period Bonds probably took performance enhancing ***. Therefore,
> they are tainted and the final totals suspect.

Shouldn't that be "Therefore they are _probably_ tainted and the final
total _probably_ suspect"?

Quote:
> Oh, and Bonds never outhomered multiple *teams* in any season.

Ruth only did it because he came along at a period when the game changed
dramatically (partially because of him), and he was ahead of the curve.

--
Hank Gillette

"Whether ours shall continue to be a government of laws and not of men is now
for Congress and ultimately the American people." -- Archibald Cox

 
 
 

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by coachros.. » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:53:38


Quote:
> if you saw a baseball player who had the following major league batting
> statitics:

> most career home runs (761+, probably will reach 800)
> most single season home runs (73)
> most career walks (nearly 2,600)
> most single season walks (232)
> most career intentional walks (nearly 700)
> most single season intentional walks (12)
> most consecutive games with a walk (18)
> most consecutive seasons with 30+ home runs (13)
> highest single season slugging percentage (0.863)
> most consecutive seasons with 0.600+ slugging percentage (8)
> most seasons with 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases (tied at 5)
> only player with 500+ home runs and 500+ stolen bases
> most consecutive plate appearances with a walk (tied at 7)
> most consecutive plate appearances reaching base (tied at 15)

> even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
> home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
> league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
> records by a considerable margin.

> the person holding all of these statistics is BARRY BONDS - who is
> without *reasonable* doubt, the greatest home run hitter to ever play
> major league baseball.

> yet, in spite of all of the facts, you have feeble minds who continue to
> insist, based on little more than belief, that babe ruth was the
> greatest home run hitter.  these are people who have never even actually
> seen ruth play, but they are certain in their belief that ruth was the
> greatest, in spite of all of the facts that clearly indicate otherwise.
> then again, you have people who believe in the tooth fairy and the
> easter bunny without any factual basis for doing so and without having
> seen either the tooth fairy or the easter bunny, so i guess it is
> possible to believe that ruth is the greatest home run hitter without
> having actually seen him play, and without any factual basis for
> believing so.

> the best that these half-wits can offer is a concocted "games/home run"
> statistic.  keep in mind that *nobody* every considered such a statistic
> when ruth held the record for career home runs - it was only invented
> after he no longer held the record.

> one of the things that makes this record so ridiculous is that it is
> influenced by things that the batter can't control.  for example, bonds
> had nearly 700 *recorded* intentional walks, and you can be that he had
> at least as many unrecorded intentional walks.  bonds drew walks at a
> higher rate than did ruth.  the reason why bonds drew so many walks is
> because pitchers have been afraid to pitch to him.  you can't blame
> barry bonds for that, but the "games/home run" statistic to which these
> feeble minds so desparately cling doesn't take into account the fact
> that pitches were more prone to avoid pitching to barry bonds than they
> were to ruth.  it was a different time, and i'm sure that the notion of
> given an intentional walk would have been frowned upon in ruth's time.

> give it a rest folks, babe ruth was one of the greatest home run hitters
> of his time and is still one of the greatest to play major league
> baseball.  but ruth is no longer the greatest home run hitter to ever
> play major league baseball.  so it's time for some of you to disabuse
> yourselves of feeble-minded notions that ruth is still the greatest home
> run hitter and recognize that barry bonds is now the greatest home run
> hitter to ever play major league baseball.

> ...and while you're at it, you can give up on the tooth fairy and the
> easter bunny as well.

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Hey troll, in the immortal words of Avlin Dark, "Take a hike, son!"
 
 
 

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by Dr. Wayne Simo » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:06:10


Quote:
> most single season intentional walks 12

I do not think this number is correct.  It has to be much higher. If he
has 700 in his career over 20 years he averages 35 a year.
 
 
 

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by Realto Margarin » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:05:37


Quote:
>First, you demonstrate the biggest flaw of counting stats -- how
>long it takes to reach their total.

There is no "flaw" in "counting stats."  They are what they are.

Quote:
>Secondly, a significant amount of these numbers were put up in the
>period Bonds probably took performance enhancing ***. Therefore,
>they are tainted and the final totals suspect.

That's true.

Quote:
>BTW, Bonds *has* admitted to taking steroids (the clear and the
>cream) in this era. Even if his claims he didn't know what they
>were are true, he was still got the benefits of the steroids during
>that time.

That's true, as well.

Quote:
>> the person holding all of these statistics is BARRY BONDS - who
>> is without *reasonable* doubt, the greatest home run hitter to
>> ever play major league baseball.
>Even if that were true, so?

Exactly.  Bonds accomplished what he accomplished, with the aid of
steroids.   That's all that needs to be said.

cordially, as always,

rm

 
 
 

it's time to stop talking about babe ruth and start talking about BARRY BONDS

Post by benf802.. » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:07:27



Quote:


> > most single season intentional walks 12

> I do not think this number is correct.  It has to be much higher. If he
> has 700 in his career over 20 years he averages 35 a year.

I think it suppose to be "most seasons leading the league in
intentional walks". 12 seasons
 
 
 

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Post by Realto Margarin » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:10:53


Quote:
>No, he didn't "admit" that.  At no point did Bonds ever say he used
>the clear and the cream.

Yes, he did admit it.  He said he believed that "the clear" was
flaxseed oil.

BTW: have we told you to *** off lately?

cordially, as always,

rm
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Post by Realto Margarin » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:15:23


Quote:

>> Secondly, a significant amount of these numbers were put up in the
>> period Bonds probably took performance enhancing ***. Therefore,
>> they are tainted and the final totals suspect.
>Shouldn't that be "Therefore they are _probably_ tainted and the final
>total _probably_ suspect"?

Nope.  The entire era is tainted, therefore all records are suspect.

Quote:
>> Oh, and Bonds never outhomered multiple *teams* in any season.
>Ruth only did it because he came along at a period when the game
>changed dramatically (partially because of him), and he was ahead
>of the curve.

Pretty sharp, for a Gillette, for a change.

cordially, as always,

rm
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Post by cop.. » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:51:38

On Aug 25, 8:09 pm, "David M. Nieporent"

Quote:




> >> even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
> >> home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
> >> league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
> >> records by a considerable margin.
> >First, you demonstrate the biggest flaw of counting stats -- how long
> >it takes to reach their total.
> >Secondly, a significant amount of these numbers were put up in the
> >period Bonds probably took performance enhancing ***. Therefore,
> >they are tainted and the final totals suspect.
> >BTW, Bonds *has* admitted to taking steroids (the clear and the cream)
> >in this era. Even if his claims he didn't know what they were are
> >true, he was still got the benefits of the steroids during that time.

> No, he didn't "admit" that.  At no point did Bonds ever say he used the
> clear and the cream.

http://SportToday.org/

Brandon

 
 
 

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Post by Barry Bond » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:20:14


Quote:
> if you saw a baseball player who had the following major league batting
> statitics:

> most career home runs (761+, probably will reach 800)
> most single season home runs (73)
> most career walks (nearly 2,600)
> most single season walks (232)
> most career intentional walks (nearly 700)
> most single season intentional walks (12)
> most consecutive games with a walk (18)
> most consecutive seasons with 30+ home runs (13)
> highest single season slugging percentage (0.863)
> most consecutive seasons with 0.600+ slugging percentage (8)
> most seasons with 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases (tied at 5)
> only player with 500+ home runs and 500+ stolen bases
> most consecutive plate appearances with a walk (tied at 7)
> most consecutive plate appearances reaching base (tied at 15)

> even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
> home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
> league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
> records by a considerable margin.

> the person holding all of these statistics is BARRY BONDS - who is
> without *reasonable* doubt, the greatest home run hitter to ever play
> major league baseball.

> yet, in spite of all of the facts, you have feeble minds who continue to
> insist, based on little more than belief, that babe ruth was the
> greatest home run hitter.  these are people who have never even actually
> seen ruth play, but they are certain in their belief that ruth was the
> greatest, in spite of all of the facts that clearly indicate otherwise.
> then again, you have people who believe in the tooth fairy and the
> easter bunny without any factual basis for doing so and without having
> seen either the tooth fairy or the easter bunny, so i guess it is
> possible to believe that ruth is the greatest home run hitter without
> having actually seen him play, and without any factual basis for
> believing so.

> the best that these half-wits can offer is a concocted "games/home run"
> statistic.  keep in mind that *nobody* every considered such a statistic
> when ruth held the record for career home runs - it was only invented
> after he no longer held the record.

> one of the things that makes this record so ridiculous is that it is
> influenced by things that the batter can't control.  for example, bonds
> had nearly 700 *recorded* intentional walks, and you can be that he had
> at least as many unrecorded intentional walks.  bonds drew walks at a
> higher rate than did ruth.  the reason why bonds drew so many walks is
> because pitchers have been afraid to pitch to him.  you can't blame
> barry bonds for that, but the "games/home run" statistic to which these
> feeble minds so desparately cling doesn't take into account the fact
> that pitches were more prone to avoid pitching to barry bonds than they
> were to ruth.  it was a different time, and i'm sure that the notion of
> given an intentional walk would have been frowned upon in ruth's time.

> give it a rest folks, babe ruth was one of the greatest home run hitters
> of his time and is still one of the greatest to play major league
> baseball.  but ruth is no longer the greatest home run hitter to ever
> play major league baseball.  so it's time for some of you to disabuse
> yourselves of feeble-minded notions that ruth is still the greatest home
> run hitter and recognize that barry bonds is now the greatest home run
> hitter to ever play major league baseball.

> ...and while you're at it, you can give up on the tooth fairy and the
> easter bunny as well.

> BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!
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Babe Who?
 
 
 

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Post by Barry Bond » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:36:01



!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!  BARRY!!!

Quote:

> The mere fact you even have to post this is all the truth anyone needs.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Rick,

Stop it.  You know its all about racism and envy.  White men such as
yourself can't let go of your white heroes.
Babe Ruth is no more.  He has been ousted by two, 'darkies'.  We
except this FACT today, but what if it were 1934 ... Bonds and Aaron
would be ***ed.  You know this to be true and so do the haters
here.  They secretly wish they could turn the clocks back and make it
a 'whiter' America.

If Mark McGwire had hit 756, OMFG we would see space shuttles taking
off, the Blue Angels making high speed passes, the President and all
those criminial Senators and Congressmen would be falling over each
other for a photo with Mark.  Instead, we have Barry Bonds... a
'darkie'.  He openly loaths the media so they report anything and
everything negative about him.  We hear he has a ***, we slaps
women, he cheats on taxes, and injects cattle steriods (they have his
*** samples and if it were true, it would have been outed by now).
Yet Barry keeps hitting them over the fence.  How does he do that
Rick?!

Now lets look at the 'greaser', Giambi.  He ADMITS to taking steriods,
and he is welcomed back with open arms by the media and the Yankees
because of the color, or lack there of, of his skin,  Plain and
simple.  I don't see '*' signs at Yankee games.

Rick you must grow up and realize that the world is a terrible place.
This is why we have laws, jails, prisions and execution chambers.  Its
not milk and honey.  People are killed for $2 in their pockets.  You
need to release the hate and celebrate Barry instead of letting your
racially based anger lead you to haitng one of the, no, THE greatest
player to have ever played the game.  Please let go of the hate...
please.

Barry

 
 
 

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Post by Barry Bond » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:52:29


Quote:
> On Aug 25, 8:09 pm, "David M. Nieporent"





> > >> even a complete *idiot* would realize that that person was the greatest
> > >> home run hitter and one of the greatest, most feared, batters in major
> > >> league history.  several of the records cited above break previous
> > >> records by a considerable margin.
> > >First, you demonstrate the biggest flaw of counting stats -- how long
> > >it takes to reach their total.
> > >Secondly, a significant amount of these numbers were put up in the
> > >period Bonds probably took performance enhancing ***. Therefore,
> > >they are tainted and the final totals suspect.
> > >BTW, Bonds *has* admitted to taking steroids (the clear and the cream)
> > >in this era. Even if his claims he didn't know what they were are
> > >true, he was still got the benefits of the steroids during that time.

> > No, he didn't "admit" that.  At no point did Bonds ever say he used the
> > clear and the cream.

> http://SportToday.org/

> Brandon- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Yes Brandon we all saw that years ago. Notice who leaked the
testimony, a WHITE Male prosecutor who is NOW in PRISON and some how
Barry isn't.  Its all about skin color and who you know and how much
money you have.  If we learn anything out of this its, 'If you are
black and commit or are accused of commiting a crime, you better have
a TON of money and hope you get the right jury'.  Money talks.

See the treasury department doesn't like these, Million Dollar
***s' (phrase taken from the now dead ex-owner of the Cincinnati
Reds).  Why should 'darkies' with bodies created through selective
slave breeding over the last 350 - 450 years, be allowed to make
millions because they can out run, out jump, out hustle the true
masters of the planet; The White Man.

You see if Barry Lamar Bonds HAD been using steriods, the chemical
markers would be in his *** samples.  The VERY SAME *** samples
that are now in the possession of the unlawful, United States Federal
Government.  If there were markers, Barry would have been forced out
of Baseball.  No doubt about it, he would NEVER have been allowed to
hit 756.

Yet day after day we hear the silly racially, ignorance, and envy
motivated slogans, 'Big Head', 'Roid Rage'. '*', on and on.  Yet Barry
is at 761 now.  I haven't seen him slap any women, but then maybe he
hides it better.  After 3+ years of Government witch hunt grand
juries, we STILL don't have an indictment.  If it is so obvious to the
Barry haters, then why is it not to 3+ years of evidence and
grandjuries??  Why?

I am afraid that Barry won't live long enough to hear the alcolades
that he deserves.  It will take most of the dumb dums and racists of
our era to die off, and be replaced by people who think instead of
react.  Its a shame really.  The man is trully the greatest, but
because we live in a time where so many Americans are far far from any
type of greatness, he will never hear a true appreciation from the
fans.  I would suggest that when Barry listens to the cheers, he does
so with a '*" ear filter as the cheers are tainted also.

Barry