Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by Mike Kais » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 03:19:03


        Hello Red Sox fans,round II of the American League East Champion
Ships will begin in about two month and I believe the Jays will take it.
Please post your oprion as well.Here is how I rate the standings at the end!

        1st BlueJays      Super Defence and pitching
        2nd New York      My personal choice
        3rd Cleveland     Mr Alomar has 30 dingers      
        4th Red Sox       Phil Planter can't hit,No Clemens
        5th Baltimore     The Iron Man melted  
        6th Milwalkee     There is nobody (expect a drop to last!)
        7th Detroit       Even 70 Cecil,would not help!Rock bottom!

 
 
 

Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by Joe Lun » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 05:17:35


|>
|>   Hello Red Sox fans,round II of the American League East Champion
|> Ships will begin in about two month and I believe the Jays will take it.
|> Please post your oprion as well.Here is how I rate the standings at the end!
|>
|>   1st BlueJays      Super Defence and pitching
|>   2nd New York      My personal choice
|>   3rd Cleveland     Mr Alomar has 30 dingers      
|>   4th Red Sox       Phil Planter can't hit,No Clemens
|>   5th Baltimore     The Iron Man melted  
|>   6th Milwalkee     There is nobody (expect a drop to last!)
|>   7th Detroit       Even 70 Cecil,would not help!Rock bottom!

[Whining mode on]

Iron Mike, you sure are a true fatalist.

I can understand the mind can play tricks on you and that snorting Tang instant
breakfast crystals can cause delusions, but this is ridiculous!

Clemens is out of camp for one day and its doomsday?  And the Indians?  What do
you see that 99% of us have missed?  Including the Indians management?
The Yanks are going to do better than last year, but not much.  Maybe 4th or 5th.

Here's how I see it

1) Boston               clear to me
2) Toronto              another close race.  I do this to***Rising off.
3) Baltimore            New stadium, healthy Glenn
4) New York             Improved but still plagued with medicore prospects
5) Detroit              The Sparky factor will get them this far
6) Milwaukee            Usually surprise but tough road for Bando
7) Tuscon's Major League Farm Team      Stink

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Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by Shaun P. Be » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 05:27:45

Quote:

>    Hello Red Sox fans,round II of the American League East Champion
>Ships will begin in about two month and I believe the Jays will take it.
>Please post your oprion as well.Here is how I rate the standings at the end!

>    1st BlueJays      Super Defence and pitching
>    2nd New York      My personal choice
>    3rd Cleveland     Mr Alomar has 30 dingers      
>    4th Red Sox       Phil Planter can't hit,No Clemens
>    5th Baltimore     The Iron Man melted  
>    6th Milwalkee     There is nobody (expect a drop to last!)
>    7th Detroit       Even 70 Cecil,would not help!Rock bottom!

NY 2nd place?  Bahhahaha!! Excuse me.  What, praytell do you base this
conclusion on?  They have no real SP, and there is no offense on the
left side of the IF.

Cleveland 3rd, huh?  Why will Alomar hitting 30 HRs place them this
high?  Belle would have had 30 if management hadn't spanked him last
year, and that didn't help.  HRs don't win enough games to finish that
high up, as you know (Baltimore last season and your putting Detriot last).

Sox 4th?  I realized that this had to be a joke when you said Plantier
can't hit.  No Clemens?   Why not?

shaun

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Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by mitchell arthur bel » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 06:41:26

Quote:

>    Hello Red Sox fans,round II of the American League East Champion
>Ships will begin in about two month and I believe the Jays will take it.
>Please post your oprion as well.Here is how I rate the standings at the end!

>    1st BlueJays      Super Defence and pitching    

        This I agree with. The Jays have the best (* fill in the blank *) in the division.
        The rotation will consist of Morris, Key, Stieb, Stottlemyre, Guzman, and/or Wells.
        This is by far the best group to choose from in the division.
        The pen has Henke, Ward, Timlin, and/or Wells, among others. Once again, I'll take this
        group over any other in the division.
        Carter, Gruber, Alomar, Olerud, and possibly Derek Bell form a solid nucleus for the offense.
        The Jays are the best team in this division.

Quote:
>    2nd New York      My personal choice (** this is reassuring :>) **)

        No way. The Yanks have three proven starters - Sanderson, Leary, and Witt.
        Sanderson is not durable enough to be a number one starter. He averages ~6 IP/start and
        is well past 30 years old (36?) and is likely to decline. Leary is also 30+, has a history
        of arm trouble and is coming off the two worst years of his unimpressive career.
        Witt is coming back from arm surgery, and it is ludicrous to expect him to perform like he
        did in 1986 with the Angels. All the young starters (Johnson,Kamienecki,Eiland,etc.)
        are unproven. The pen is filled with journeyman relievers. Farr cannot be considered an
        ace closer like Henke, Ward, Lee Smith, Gregg Olson, even Dan Plesac. Cadaret, Guetterman,
        Plunk and Habyan have performed erratically throughout their careers.
        In short, even though I forgot the Brothers Perez, there are too many question marks just in
        the pitching staff for the Yanks to finish this far from the cellar.

Quote:
>    3rd Cleveland     Mr Alomar has 30 dingers

        I wish! Sandy has never shown this kind of power, even in the low minors. Belle, however,
        will hit 30 dingers in the new, improved Municipal Stadium. But the closer fences will
        make things rough for the Indians pitchers, who are barely worthy of a AAA staff. This
        team has the greatest chance for improvement in the division, but they will not jump this
        far in so short a time.

Quote:
>    4th Red Sox       Phil Planter can't hit,No Clemens

        Au contraire! Plantier can Hit with a capital H! He proved this all last year in AAA and
        in considerable playing time with the Sox. Granted he may not produce over a whole season
        like he did in his stint last year, but he is definitely major league. The Sox need the
        usual performances from Clemens, Viola, Boggs, Burks and exceptional performances from
        the third and fourth starters, and at first base to win the division.

Quote:
>    5th Baltimore     The Iron Man melted

        Baltimore will live or die depending on the development of their young players..
        If Mussina, McDonald, Milacki, Martinez, Mercedes are for real and Davis and Ripken
        form as potent a combination as seems likely, the Birds will be tougher than expected.

Quote:
>    6th Milwalkee     There is nobody (expect a drop to last!)

        The cupboard is bare in Milwaukee. Molitor will not have as good a season as last year.
        Yount will most likely rebound, but who will help him? Vaughn returns and Spiers had a
        solid season last year. Both are young and will improve. Sheffield has not hit, Jaha and
        Nilsson have not hit above AA. Higuera will try to come back again from arm problems.
        Wegman had a career year that will be very hard for him to repeat. Navarro and Ron Robinson
        are nothing spectacular. Chris Bosio is their most reliable starter and their most
        marketable commodity. It would not be surprising to see him dealt for young talent.

Quote:
>    7th Detroit       Even 70 Cecil,would not help!Rock bottom!

        Detroit has a very good offense, but very little else. Barring collapses by Fielder,
        Fryman, Whitaker, and assuming reasonable production from Phillips, Trammell, Tettleton,
        and Cuyler, the Tigers will not finish last. With another improbable season from
        Gullickson and Tanana, the Tigers could even contend. However, the **FIERY** presence of
        Dan 'Go-Go' Gladden could carry them all the way! :>) Don't bet the ranch.

        1ST     Toronto Blue Jays
        2ND     Boston Red Sox
        3RD     Baltimore Orioles
        4TH     Detroit Tigers
        5TH     New York Yankees
        6TH     Cleveland Indians
        7TH     Milwaukee Brewers

        Feel free to argue with me. I know you will :>)

        Mitchell Below
        ***ic Tribe Fan since 1975

 
 
 

Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by Cogswort » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 07:11:18


Quote:
>Here's how I see it
>1) Boston           clear to me
>2) Toronto          another close race.  I do this to***Rising off.
>3) Baltimore                New stadium, healthy Glenn
>4) New York         Improved but still plagued with medicore prospects
>5) Detroit          The Sparky factor will get them this far
>6) Milwaukee                Usually surprise but tough road for Bando
>7) Tuscon's Major League Farm Team  Stink

As a member in good standings in LUNDY (Loser division) I have to wonder
how the Houston Astroids have snuck out of the NL West and into the AL
East. I know McMullen was trying to sell the team, but it seems unlikely
that the American League would buy it.

On second thought, if I did have to trade a team for the Strohs, it
probably would be the Cleveland Indians.

(Or did the Toros switch parent clubs and no one told me about it? Perhaps
Dealin' Dave Kirsch forgot to tell me of recent wheeling and dealing.)
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     following the flock.     | Told by a manager, full of rosin and pine tar."

 
 
 

Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by Nelson » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 08:54:20

Quote:

>    Hello Red Sox fans,round II of the American League East Champion
>Ships will begin in about two month and I believe the Jays will take it.
>Please post your oprion as well.Here is how I rate the standings at the end!

>    1st BlueJays      Super Defence and pitching

And no hitting (compared to premier offensive teams of the league).  Actually,
I should so no walking; it is hard to score runs when the bases are often
empty.

Quote:
>    2nd New York      My personal choice

Only in your dreams.  This team can hit, but do they have any quality depth
for starting pitchers?

Quote:
>    3rd Cleveland     Mr Alomar has 30 dingers      

And he will probably drive in 40 runs with those 30 dingers.  This team
simply doesn't want to get on base.  Their latest thing is to sit Alex Cole,
who is the only on-base threat on the team besides Carlos Baerga.

Quote:
>    4th Red Sox       Phil Planter can't hit,No Clemens

Plantier can't hit?  I assume Manuel Lee can?  And No Clemens?  Clemens hasn't
missed a significant part of the season in quite a while.

I think you are seriously biased, and anyone who predicts Cleveland to be
above 5th must be either *very* optimistic or very insane.

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Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by 545hae.. » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 04:51:14

I already responded to this in mail but I feel it's necessary to put my
opinion on the net with everyone elses....

Quote:

>    Hello Red Sox fans,round II of the American League East Champion
> Ships will begin in about two month and I believe the Jays will take it.
> Please post your oprion as well.Here is how I rate the standings at the end!

>    1st BlueJays      Super Defence and pitching

It will definately be a pennant race here with Boston.  Blue Jays *DO*
have by FAR the best starting rotation in the major leagues.  Morris, Key,
Guzman, Stottlemyre, Stieb, and Wells - they've got SIX quality starters.
I really couldn't tell you why they signed Morris unless they plan to
trade one of the young guys for some star player late in the season to
lock them into the race (I foresee this happening almost assuredly.. perhaps
Guzman.)  They also have a great pen with Timlin, Ward, and Henke, et al..

They unfortunately do have low run production - they definately aren't
on top offensively.  There's a lot of talent in Toronto that's for sure.
This is why I see them trading away a starter (or two) for a good
offensive boost late in the season.

Quote:
>    2nd New York      My personal choice

My comment:  Hahahahahahahaha

Can we say total lack of reliable starting pitching?
Can we say lack of PROVEN relievers (Habyan is erratic, Farr is far from
    the best closer in the league, Howe might be in jail by that time..)
Can we say lack of offense?  They don't have NEARLY the offense of Boston
or Toronto or Detroit, or a lot of other teams..

Quote:
>    3rd Cleveland     Mr Alomar has 30 dingers      

Cleveland has no experience.  The only way they could get third is to get
career years from their lowly starting staff and every one of their rookies
to have either Rookie of the Year type years, or coming out years in the
case of the other young guys on the team.  On the infield, the only Cleveland
player who has shown he can do well in the majors is Baerga.  I'm surprised
they didn't trade him in the off season. :)  Alomar can't hit 30 home runs
.. he never has, he probably never will.  Did you base that assumption on any
kind of stats?  Even when he got Rookie of the Year he only hit 9 homers.
His most was 16 homers at AAA in the Pacific Coast League.  
Cleveland has an outside chance at 6th place, but not 3rd.

Quote:
>    4th Red Sox       Phil Planter can't hit,No Clemens

Best offensive lineup in the league.  Clemens will pitch like he always
does.  Viola is a good pitcher.  Hesketh will probably keep it up,
Gardiner is looking good.  That's 4 quality starters.  Definately not
Toronto, but when you combine that with the awe-inspiring offense they
have, you've got a probable first place.

Quote:
>    5th Baltimore     The Iron Man melted  

Baltimore looks like a good team if they get good pitching.  They've
already got a great bullpen, they just need good years from Mussina (he
looks pretty good), McDonald needs to revert to 1990 form.  And they are
counting on this Rhodes fellow.

Quote:
>    6th Milwalkee     There is nobody (expect a drop to last!)

to quote a previous article "The cupboard is empty"

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>    7th Detroit       Even 70 Cecil,would not help!Rock bottom!

When you've got this kind of offense, and a manager like Sparky, they'll
stay out of the ba***t.  You can't lead the league in home runs and
get last place.  Simply doesn't happen.  Even with the worst pitching staff
in the league (Detroit has got this one by far).

Here are my AL East predictions

        1st     Boston (World Series Bound!)
        2nd     Toronto
        3rd     Baltimore
        4th     Detroit
        5th     New York
        6th     Cleveland
        7th     Milwaukee

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Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by Joe Lun » Thu, 27 Feb 1992 23:08:47


|>   6TH     Cleveland Indians
|>   7TH     Milwaukee Brewers
|>
|>
|>   Feel free to argue with me. I know you will :>)

No argument here.  Your picks are realistic (even though I'd have picked the Sox to finish first...) :-0

|>
|>   Mitchell Below
|>   ***ic Tribe Fan since 1975
                                    ^^^^
Another unsuspecting fan that was drawn in by the prowess of John Lowenstein

You've gotta feel for these Tribe fans.  They've got a good season when they can comfortably pick their team to finish SIXTH.

Ouch.

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Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by <IO11.. » Sat, 29 Feb 1992 21:06:23

Ahhhhh, excuse me? How one sided can you get? I am a Faithful Red Sox fan to th
e end, and loathe the Blue Jays with a passion. Do NOT count the rest of the le
ague out, for it may be your undoing if you have money involved! And about the
Red Sox, fourth place is a slap in the face! They will be in the top 3 no matte
r what. And is Phil Plantier and Roger Clemens the whole team? The Red Sox have
 an unbelievable offensive line-upwith Boggs,Reed,Plantier,Clark,Burks, and Gr
eenwell. Burks will wake up this year after such a bad year, and Plantier will
prove he was made for Fenway. Then there are some quality pitchers on this team
. Clemens everyone knows about, and the same with Viola. They will being 35-
40 wins this year no doubt. Young, Kiecker, and Bolton should be ousted, but if
 one had to stay: Bolton! Morton,Hesketh, and Gardiner will have promising seas
ons, and Darwin, if healthy, will be an asset no matter where he's put! Reardon
 may be getting old, but he's still an excellent closer! I give him 2 more year
s. And Greg Harris is an excellent pitcher whereever he is put. I also hope tha
t the Red Sox may see the return of their awesome setup man, Jeff Grey. Time wi
ll tell. To all Sox fans, our hearts go out to the Sox on their loss of Mrs.Yaw
key, and it will be an inspiration that will finally kill the accursed "Curse o
f the Bambino!" But if it's not this year, they will remain in the top 3.

James LeBlond
Faithful Red Sox fan forever.
Wade Boggs is the greatest hitter of our generation! (.345 and counting!)

 
 
 

Red Sox vs Blue Jays Round II

Post by Bert Smi » Sun, 01 Mar 1992 06:56:03

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>Wade Boggs is the greatest hitter of our generation! (.345 and counting!)...

....Down
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 smith| interviewed, never produced anything the public could understand, nor
      | experienced anything since his schoolboy amours which nice people could
      | regard as romantic. He was, in fact, an authentic scientist." -S. Lewis