Boycott the networks if PLAYERS STRIKE

Boycott the networks if PLAYERS STRIKE

Post by Curt Guenth » Sat, 30 Jul 1994 22:59:44


All this talk about the FANS boycotting one game hurts the owners
and helps the players.  After all thats the reason the players are
going on strike.

If you really want to punish both sides, start boycotting the networks
that cover Major League Baseball.  In other words, on Aug 12 (assuming
the players go on strike), stop watching ABC, NBC, ESPN (ouch), TBS,
WOR, WPIX, and whatever cable channel carries your local team.  This is
where baseball gets a large portion of its revenue, and the main reason
the owners can "AFFORD" to pay players  an average of 1.2 million dollars
a year.

So my suggestion to all of you that want to form a FAN STRIKE is to
start watching CBS, FOX or read a book..........

Curt Guenther        (no I'm not a CBS executive)

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Spurlo » Sat, 30 Jul 1994 20:23:30

Quote:
>If you really want to punish both sides, start boycotting the networks
>that cover Major League Baseball.  In other words, on Aug 12 (assuming
>the players go on strike), stop watching ABC, NBC, ESPN (ouch), TBS,
>WOR, WPIX, and whatever cable channel carries your local team.  This is
>where baseball gets a large portion of its revenue, and the main reason
>the owners can "AFFORD" to pay players  an average of 1.2 million dollars
>a year.
>So my suggestion to all of you that want to form a FAN STRIKE is to
>start watching CBS, FOX or read a book..........

Yeah, but what you are forgetting is that that last big national contract with
CBS is one of the main reasons that we've got this problem right now.

 
 
 

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Post by David M. Nieporen » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 01:49:10

Quote:

>All this talk about the FANS boycotting one game hurts the owners
>and helps the players.  After all thats the reason the players are
>going on strike.

They're going on strike so that the owners can't impose a settlement.
They're doing it to scare the owners into making a *serious* offer.
"Hurting the owners" hurts the players in the long run.
Anyway, "hurting the owners" is the quickest way to end the strike.

Quote:
>If you really want to punish both sides, start boycotting the networks
>that cover Major League Baseball.  In other words, on Aug 12 (assuming
>the players go on strike), stop watching ABC, NBC, ESPN (ouch), TBS,
>WOR, WPIX, and whatever cable channel carries your local team.  This is
>where baseball gets a large portion of its revenue, and the main reason
>the owners can "AFFORD" to pay players  an average of 1.2 million dollars
>a year.

>So my suggestion to all of you that want to form a FAN STRIKE is to
>start watching CBS, FOX or read a book..........

Huh?  I'm not a Nielsen family; whether I watch these stations has no
bearing on anything.  (This is *not* like the "why should I vote, my
vote doesn't really count" argument; my watching really DOESN'T count.)

And I'm still not sure why this "fan strike" exists, except as a
symbolic gesture.  And like all symbolic gestures, it won't have any
effect on anything.
--
David M. Nieporent



Orioles 1994:  MVP - Palmeiro, RotY - Hammonds, Cy - Mussina

 
 
 

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Post by Balanc » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 02:15:05


Quote:

>Huh?  I'm not a Nielsen family; whether I watch these stations has no
>bearing on anything.  (This is *not* like the "why should I vote, my
>vote doesn't really count" argument; my watching really DOESN'T count.)

You don't have to be a Nielson family.  News organizations (and the owners
themselves) will do polls by telephone to see if people are not watching.
Also, we should strike (boycott) NOW against the games at all levels.
That will get the attention of the owners and players showing we can
strike before they do!
 
 
 

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Post by Glenn Tann » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 05:38:50

Quote:



>>Huh?  I'm not a Nielsen family; whether I watch these stations has no
>>bearing on anything.  (This is *not* like the "why should I vote, my
>>vote doesn't really count" argument; my watching really DOESN'T count.)

>You don't have to be a Nielson family.  News organizations (and the owners
>themselves) will do polls by telephone to see if people are not watching.

Well, that's even better.  Just watch the games, enjoy them, and when
someone calls to ask if you're watching baseball, tell them no.

Quote:
>Also, we should strike (boycott) NOW against the games at all levels.

Including Little League?  

What is the point?  I assume you're upset at major league owners and
major league players since they're the ones in the labor dispute.  Or
are you upset at the entire sport?  How about boycotting any restaurant
which shows baseball on TV?  Let's boycott any merchant who sells
major league clothing or souveniers!!!  In fact, let's just boycott
everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GT

 
 
 

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Post by Eric Smi » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 05:25:52

Quote:

>All this talk about the FANS boycotting one game hurts the owners
>and helps the players.  After all thats the reason the players are
>going on strike.
>If you really want to punish both sides, start boycotting the networks
>that cover Major League Baseball.

How is that going to punish either side? The TV contract is already
signed, so that won't keep any money out of the owners pockets,
and it certainly won't keep the players from being paid.

Quote:
>So my suggestion to all of you that want to form a FAN STRIKE is to
>start watching CBS, FOX or read a book..........

In the case of CBS, you want us support a network that nearly killed
network baseball, leading to this "Baseball Night in America" abomination?
If CBS had done a better job in the five years they had baseball, we'd
still have Saturday afternoon network TV games, and we might not be in
as bad shape as we are now with the strike situation. CBS so bungled its
baseball coverage that the next contract with ABC/NBC was for less money,
giving the owners an excuse to request all these "givebacks" from the
players.

-----
Eric Smith

CI$: 70262,3610

 
 
 

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Post by <RVEST.. » Sun, 31 Jul 1994 22:12:03

errrr....

how is, say, NBC going to know that i stopped watching them?

bob vesterman.

 
 
 

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Post by David M. Nieporen » Mon, 01 Aug 1994 14:34:02

Quote:

>The networks will know the same way they know you .are. watching something
>now.  The nielson ratings will indicate it just like any polling indicates
>the public sentiment.

Is this entire fan strike as poorly thought out as this post?
(This is a rhetorical question; I *know* the answer.)

The nielsen ratings are not a poll, you ignoramus.  I *try* not to be insulting
ordinarily, but I can't believe that we've been subjected to three or four
weeks of these moronic "fan boycott" posts and the people haven't even
figured out how the system works.

If you haven't already been designated a nielson household, your viewing habits
never get checked.

Quote:
>In regards to how it hurts the players, they know thier popularity is
>based on being seen on TV. When thier public exposure is reduced, they
>will not get the big endor***t contracts.  

Duhhhh.
About 3 or 4 baseball players have endor***t contracts that could be
described as "big."  And Nolan Ryan is one of them, and he's retired.
The others are Michael Jordan, who couldn't care less whether you boycott
baseball, and Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey, who make enough money without
those endor***ts.

Yes, some players get a few thousand bucks for saying "Bubba's Car Wash is
great," but they stand to lose a lot more than that from the owner's proposal.

Quote:
>How it hurts the owners is by pressure from the networks.  The networks
>have lots of pull with the owners.  Remember, the networks are the ones
>who got the NFL to start playing monday night games and to start all NFL
>games at 1 and 4 pm eastern time (regardless of time zone).  They have
>formed a corporation with the owners that markets baseball. So they are
>seriously invested in a quick resolution.

Duhhh.  They're ALL interested in a quick resolution.

How hard is this to understand -- the strike costs all of them more money
than a possible boycott ever could.  If there's a strike, the networks aren't
going to show ANY games.  Think about it.  It might come to you soon.
--
David M. Nieporent



Orioles 1994:  MVP - Palmeiro, RotY - Hammonds, Cy - Mussina

 
 
 

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Post by <RVEST.. » Mon, 01 Aug 1994 19:41:25


Quote:

>The networks will know the same way they know you .are. watching something
>now.  The nielson ratings will indicate it just like any polling indicates
>the public sentiment.

"the same way they know you *are* watching"? they DON'T.

is anyone who reads this group living in a nielsen household?

bob vesterman.

 
 
 

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Post by Curt Guenth » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 01:18:53

|> How is that going to punish either side? The TV contract is already
|> signed, so that won't keep any money out of the owners pockets,
|> and it certainly won't keep the players from being paid.
|>
|> In the case of CBS, you want us support a network that nearly killed
|> network baseball, leading to this "Baseball Night in America" abomination?
|> If CBS had done a better job in the five years they had baseball, we'd
|> still have Saturday afternoon network TV games, and we might not be in
|> as bad shape as we are now with the strike situation. CBS so bungled its
|> baseball coverage that the next contract with ABC/NBC was for less money,
|> giving the owners an excuse to request all these "givebacks" from the
|> players.
|>
|> -----
|> Eric Smith

|> CI$: 70262,3610
|>

Eric - You answered your own question.  If the fans boycott the networks        
       normally scheduled programs because of baseball, they might be
       convinced that baseball isn't as lucrative as they once believed.
       If they feel its not as lucrative, the NEXT TV contract that
       comes up will be for even LESS MONEY than the present contract.
       If they owners receive LESS MONEY,  they won't be able to
       afford to pay the FREE AGENT players MORE MONEY.  Hence the owners
       and players are both hurt.

       You can boycott CBS if you want, I agree with you that their coverage
       of baseball was bad.  But you watched it didn't you?  Do you think
       CBS, or BUDWEISER, or NIKE, or any other major sponsor cares how good
       a program is a long as people watch it........The same goes for all
       those people that keep on whining about Baseball Night in America.
       If you don't like it, DON'T WATCH IT.........

Curt Guenther

 
 
 

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Post by Curt Guenth » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 01:42:24


|>  
|> Duhhhh.
|> About 3 or 4 baseball players have endor***t contracts that could be
|> described as "big."  And Nolan Ryan is one of them, and he's retired.
|> The others are Michael Jordan, who couldn't care less whether you boycott
|> baseball, and Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey, who make enough money without
|> those endor***ts.
|>  
|> Yes, some players get a few thousand bucks for saying "Bubba's Car Wash is
|> great," but they stand to lose a lot more than that from the owner's proposal.
Actually every player in the league makes money from endor***ts.  Its called
licensing.  DUHHHHHHHHH.........  and its more than a couple thousand bucks.
The baseball card industry alone is over a BILLION Dollar a year industry.
Do you think TOPPS, UPPER DECK, FLEER, and LEAF get to make those pictures
for FREE.  Guess again.  Ever hear the phrase OFFICIAL SPONSOR of MAJOR
LEAGUE BASEBALL or MLPA.  How much do you think it costs a company to
be able to say that? It certainly isn't free now is it.  Next time you
buy a hat of your favorite team, think of where the money is going.......
Some to the players and some to the owners.

Why do you think these companies like TOPPS ect pay so much money to
get a license?  Its because IDIOTS like us pay to keep piece of card board
with someone else PICTURE on it.        

I suggest before you go out and call someone "MORONIC" because they don't
know how the system works, you find out how the system works.

 
 
 

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Post by Curt Guenth » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 01:00:39

|>
|> Well, that's even better.  Just watch the games, enjoy them, and when
|> someone calls to ask if you're watching baseball, tell them no.
|>
|> >Also, we should strike (boycott) NOW against the games at all levels.
|>

Glenn - You misunderstood my original post.  

        My point is when the players strike (August 12) stop watching
        any network that has paid $$$ to MLB to broadcast those games.
        That means no Seinfeld (NBC) no Sportscenter (ESPN ouch), and
        no ABC (do they have any good shows?).

        Lets face it, the networks and the fans are who pay the players
        and owners salaries.  If the networks start losing more money
        and get upset, they might threaten to withhold $$$ from the
        next contract, which means less $$$ for FREE AGENTS.  

        The way I see it, the only people with an outside influence
        in the strike is the networks.  If the fans can get the networks
        rattled, they might convince the owners to put an end to this thing.

Curt Guenther

 
 
 

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Post by Glenn Dirtbag Tann » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 04:43:15

Quote:


>|>
>|> Well, that's even better.  Just watch the games, enjoy them, and when
>|> someone calls to ask if you're watching baseball, tell them no.
>|>
>|> >Also, we should strike (boycott) NOW against the games at all levels.
>|>
>Glenn - You misunderstood my original post.  
>        My point is when the players strike (August 12) stop watching
>        any network that has paid $$$ to MLB to broadcast those games.
>        That means no Seinfeld (NBC) no Sportscenter (ESPN ouch), and
>        no ABC (do they have any good shows?).
>        The way I see it, the only people with an outside influence
>        in the strike is the networks.  If the fans can get the networks
>        rattled, they might convince the owners to put an end to this thing.

Fine, and unless you're a Neilson household, *not* watching TV is going to
have no effect on anyone except yourself.  Why would I want to punish
myself by not watching Sportscenter?  

GT

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Jon » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 05:04:54

Quote:


>|> Duhhhh.
>|> About 3 or 4 baseball players have endor***t contracts that could be
>|> described as "big."  And Nolan Ryan is one of them, and he's retired.
>|> The others are Michael Jordan, who couldn't care less whether you boycott
>|> baseball, and Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey, who make enough money without
>|> those endor***ts.
>|> Yes, some players get a few thousand bucks for saying "Bubba's Car Wash is
>|> great," but they stand to lose a lot more than that from the owner's proposal.
>Actually every player in the league makes money from endor***ts.  Its called
>licensing.  DUHHHHHHHHH.........  and its more than a couple thousand bucks.
>The baseball card industry alone is over a BILLION Dollar a year industry.
>Do you think TOPPS, UPPER DECK, FLEER, and LEAF get to make those pictures
>for FREE.  Guess again.  Ever hear the phrase OFFICIAL SPONSOR of MAJOR
>LEAGUE BASEBALL or MLPA.  How much do you think it costs a company to
>be able to say that? It certainly isn't free now is it.  Next time you
>buy a hat of your favorite team, think of where the money is going.......
>Some to the players and some to the owners.

And how much is going to the players? How much does the average player
get from these kinds of endor***ts? Yeah, it's a billion dollar
industry, but how much of that goes to the players and how much to the
printers, paper producers, advertising agencies, and owners of Topps,
Fleer, etc? I don't know the answer, but I'd be surprised if the per
player revenue from cards is over, say, $10,000.

Quote:
>I suggest before you go out and call someone "MORONIC" because they don't
>know how the system works, you find out how the system works.

Ok, Mr. "knows how the system works", HOW MUCH does the average player
get from card revenues? For extra credit, do you know the difference
between endor***ts and licensing?


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Post by Doug P00 » Wed, 03 Aug 1994 08:25:02


Quote:
Jones) writes:
>And how much is going to the players? How much does the average player
>get from these kinds of endor***ts?

According to Marvin Miller's autobiography (p. 148), in 1990 the players
collectively received $57 million in licensing revenues, which are split
evenly among everyone in the MLBPA.  For the past few years the players
have let their licensing bucks accumulate to form a strike fund; that fund
now has over $175,000,000 awaiting August 12.