Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by jason hil » Tue, 01 May 2001 05:02:59


Sorry for such an elementary question, but if i remember correctly the NBA
reseeds the teams after each round. For example the if San Antonio wins
their
series and if Pheonix beats Sacremento San Antonio will play Pheonix since
Pheonix will be the lowest seeded team. But If Sacremento wins the series
then
San Antonio will play the winner of Dallas-Utah.
Is this right or am I on crack?

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Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by phobo » Tue, 01 May 2001 05:35:06

Nope.  The NHL and NFL do this, but the NBA doesn't.

Quote:

>Sorry for such an elementary question, but if i remember correctly the NBA
>reseeds the teams after each round. For example the if San Antonio wins
>their
>series and if Pheonix beats Sacremento San Antonio will play Pheonix since
>Pheonix will be the lowest seeded team. But If Sacremento wins the series
>then
>San Antonio will play the winner of Dallas-Utah.
>Is this right or am I on crack?

--
Greg

http://houston.quik.com/phobos

 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by Tim 9/2 » Tue, 01 May 2001 07:31:53

There is no reseeding.  

However, a #3 seed can have home court advantage over a #2 seed.  This
happens when the #2 seed is the #2 seed since they won a division, but
the #3 seed had a better record.  I think they should just abandon the
divisions.

Tim 9/23

 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by Steve Jaro » Tue, 01 May 2001 08:43:03


Quote:
> There is no reseeding.

> However, a #3 seed can have home court advantage over a #2 seed.  This
> happens when the #2 seed is the #2 seed since they won a division, but
> the #3 seed had a better record.  I think they should just abandon the
> divisions.

Either that, or make winning the division worth something by giving the div.
winner the HFA even if they play a non-div. winner with a better record...
 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by bigpoppap.. » Tue, 01 May 2001 11:41:01

Quote:

>Sorry for such an elementary question, but if i remember correctly the NBA
>reseeds the teams after each round. For example the if San Antonio wins
>their series and if Pheonix beats Sacremento San Antonio will play Pheonix
>since Pheonix will be the lowest seeded team. But If Sacremento wins the
>series then  San Antonio will play the winner of Dallas-Utah.
>Is this right or am I on crack?

The latter. If San Antonio wins their series,they play the Dallas-Utah winner.
Ditto if Minnesota wins the series. The NHL has the format where the lowest
seeded team remaining plays the highest seeded team remaining in the 2nd round
of their conference playoffs. That's why Toronto played New Jersey in the 2nd
round of this season's playoffs. Under the 1/8  vs. 4/5 and 2/7 vs. 3/6 format
employed by the NBA,they couldn't play each other until the conference final.
That's because Toronto was the #7 seed in the Eastern Conference playoffs this
season,and they eliminated #2 seed Ottawa. #1 seed New Jersey would have played
#5 seed Buffalo instead,while Toronto would have played #6 Pittsburgh. Therefore
the 1/8 series winner will play the 4/5 series winner. 2/7 series winner will
play the winner of 3/6.
 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by bigpoppap.. » Tue, 01 May 2001 11:42:51

Quote:

>Nope.  The NHL and NFL do this, but the NBA doesn't.

That's correct. I don't think they reseed their teams either. They just have the
highest seed remaining in each conference play the lowest seed remaining in each
conference in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by Gary S. Simo » Tue, 01 May 2001 19:40:34


Quote:

> I don't think the [NHL and NFL] reseed their teams either. They just
> have the
> highest seed remaining in each conference play the lowest seed remaining in
> each conference in the 2nd round of the playoffs.  

   That's re-seeding
 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by Gary S. Simo » Tue, 01 May 2001 19:47:44


Quote:



> I think they should just abandon the divisions.
> Either that, or make winning the division worth something by giving the div.
> winner the HFA even if they play a non-div. winner with a better record

   Better the former than the latter.    

   With the current (i.e. 1995-96 on) regular season scheduling format,
the divisions are meaningless (entirely so in the West asd just about
entirely in the East) but for the anachronistic #2 seed awarded to
division winners.

   The only excuses for maintaining illusory divisions are the owners'
reluctance to have really bad teams finish in (for example) thir***th
place and the owners' desire to hype games against (illusory)
divisional rivals.

 
 
 

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Post by D. Gerasimat » Tue, 01 May 2001 22:55:44



Quote:

[snip!]

>   The only excuses for maintaining illusory divisions are the owners'
>reluctance to have really bad teams finish in (for example) thir***th
>place and the owners' desire to hype games against (illusory)
>divisional rivals.

There's also history to contend with. The teams in a given division are
more than illusory rivals, because of the history between them.

Dimitri

 
 
 

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Post by Gary S. Simo » Wed, 02 May 2001 02:07:17


Quote:

> The teams in a given division are
> more than illusory rivals, because of the history between them.

   Examining that history will show just how illusory those divisional
rivalries are.

   Even leaving aside all the shifting from one division to another)
regular season schedules have only rarely been unbalanced enough to
create meaningful "divisional" rivalries based on regular season play.*

   In the NBA, meaningful history means playoff history.   That's why
the Knicks have had tremendous rivalries with the Bulls, Pacers and
Heat over the past decade, notwithstanding that two of those teams are
in the "other" division.

   When (before sweeping the 1991 ECF) the Bulls regarded the Pistons
as their most formidable rival, it wasn't because the teams were in the
same division, but rather because the Pistons had knocked the Bulls out
of three consecutive post-seasons.  

======================================================================

*  As an illustration of how balanced regular seasan schedules have
been (even before 1995-96, when the league instituted almost perfectly
balanced schedules within the conferences, regardless of division), the
Hawks and Cavs have been "divisional rivals" (in the Central) from the
time the Cavs joined the league (and the NBA began conference play) for
the 1970-71 season.

   The following chart shows how many regular season games those
divisional rivals played against one another, a team in the other
division of their conference and a team in the other conference in
various seasons.  For the purpose of this analysis, I'm using the
Celtics and Lakers as representative opponents in Atlantic Division and
Western Conference, respectively:

            ATL/CLE  ATL/BOS  CLE/BOS  ATL/LAL  CLE/LAL

1970-71        4        6        4        5        4
1971-72        6        4        6        5        4
1972-73        7        6        5        4        4
1973-74        7        6        6        4        4
1974-75        7        4        4        4        4

1975-76        7        5        5        4        4
1976-77        4        4        4        4        4
1977-78        4        4        4        4        4
1978-79        4        4        4        4        4
1979-80        6        6        6        2        2

1980-81        6        6        5        2        2
1981-82        6        6        5        2        2
1982-83        6        6        6        2        2
1983-84        6        5        6        2        2
1984-85        6        5        6        2        2

1985-86        6        6        6        2        2
1986-87        6        6        5        2        2
1987-88        6        6        5        2        2
1988-89        6        4        5        2        2
1989-90        5        4        4        2        2

1990-91        5        4        4        2        2
1991-92        5        4        4        2        2
1992-93        5        4        4        2        2
1993-94        5        4        4        2        2
1994-95        5        4        4        2        2

   The average number of games the Hawks played the Cavs each of these
twenty-five seasons (5.56) was less than one more per season than the
average number of games each team played against the Celtics (4.92 and
4.84, respectively).

   For several years prior to conference play, regular season
scheduling did not create meaningful regular season distinctions
between the Eastern and Western Division.   For example, each team
played each other team, regardless of division, in nine regular season
games in 1966-67 (when the league expanded to ten teams).  

   In 1967-68, teams played teams from their own division 7-8 times,
and teams from the other division 6-7 times.   In 1968-69 and 1969-70,
teams played teams from their own division 6-7 times, and teams from
the other division 5-6 times.

 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by bigpoppap.. » Wed, 02 May 2001 05:08:38


Quote:
>That's re-seeding

Actually no...the original seedings remain intact,but the playoff brackets
are manipulated so that the lowest seed remaining plays the highest seed
remaining. When I think of re-seeding,I think of taking the remaining
teams left and assigning them new seeds. Therefore in this year's Stanley
Cup playoffs,the Maple Leafs and Kings retain their number 7 seeding,and
neither team will get a 4 seed because of what happened in the opening
round.
 
 
 

Does the NBA reseed the teams after each round?

Post by Gary S. Simo » Wed, 02 May 2001 08:08:14


Quote:



> >That's re-seeding
> Actually no...the original seedings remain intact,but the playoff brackets
> are manipulated so that the lowest seed remaining plays the highest seed
> remaining. When I think of re-seeding,I think of taking the remaining
> teams left and assigning them new seeds. Therefore in this year's Stanley
> Cup playoffs,the Maple Leafs and Kings retain their number 7 seeding,and
> neither team will get a 4 seed because of what happened in the opening
> round.

   With four teams left in the conference playoffs at that stage,
manipulating the pairings is the same as re-seeding.

   If, for example, the 1,4 6 and 7 seeds advance to the second round
of an NHL conference playoff, 1 plays 7 and 4 plays 6 in the conference
semifinals, with the semifinal winners advancing to the conference
finals.  That's precisely the same as what would happen if seeds 1,4,6
and 7 were re-numbered as seeds 1,2,3 and 4 respectively.