PBS series omits Hispanics

PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by Chris Brewst » Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:33:11


With all the attention that the PBS series pays to the exclusion of
blacks from baseball, I was expecting some discussion of the comparable
talent pool among Latin Americans.  I read something about this, which
implied that a lot of great players were excluded, and that Cuba's
isolation has deprived us of even more.  Is anyone out there familiar
with this history?
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PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by Bradley Bro » Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:39:16


Quote:

>With all the attention that the PBS series pays to the exclusion of
>blacks from baseball, I was expecting some discussion of the comparable
>talent pool among Latin Americans.

The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.
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PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by Matt Friedm » Sat, 01 Oct 1994 15:10:33


Quote:

> With all the attention that the PBS series pays to the exclusion of
> blacks from baseball, I was expecting some discussion of the comparable
> talent pool among Latin Americans.  I read something about this, which
> implied that a lot of great players were excluded, and that Cuba's
> isolation has deprived us of even more.  Is anyone out there familiar
> with this history?
> --

I wish there had been more about the whole latin american presence in
baseball, like a bit about when they started bringing up players from The
D.R. and Cuba and Mexico. What about the problems they had to face even
after the color line was broken? I would have been very interested in
that.

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PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by Eric Smi » Sun, 02 Oct 1994 01:44:59


Quote:

>>The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
>>team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.
>Can someone fill in the names for me?  Thanks in advance.

C  - ?
1B - Willie Stargell
2B - Reggie Stennett
SS - Frank Taveras (?)
3B - Bill Madlock
OF - Oscar Moreno, Dave Parker, Bill Robinson
P  - ?

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PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by PA » Mon, 03 Oct 1994 21:57:43

Quote:



>>>The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
>>>team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.

>>Can someone fill in the names for me?  Thanks in advance.

> C  - ?

        (The white) Ed Ott and Steve Nicosia platooned behind the plate. Ott
received most of the starts during the year, but they split the World Series
pretty evenly. Manny Sanguillen was the #3 catcher for the Bucs in 1979 (okay
Triva buffs: Name the players who were on the 1971 Pirates and the 1979
Pirates. How about the 2 players on the 1960 Pirates and the 1971 Pirates. Were
there any players on all 3 teams?)

Quote:
> 1B - Willie Stargell
> 2B - Reggie Stennett

        Stennett was on the 1979, but (the white) Phil Garner was the starting
secondbaseman. Stennett got into a lot of games (over a hundred I think), but
only had 1 World Series At-Bat if I remember correctly. Garner started all 7
World Series games at second.

Quote:
> SS - Frank Taveras (?)

        Taveras was traded to the Mets in April 1979 for (the white) Tim Foli.
Foli was the starting shortstop for the rest of the season.

Quote:
> 3B - Bill Madlock
> OF - Oscar Moreno, Dave Parker, Bill Robinson
> P  - ?

        The Bucco pitchers included Don Robinson, Grant Jackson, Burt Blyleven,
Bruce Kison, Jim Rooker, Enrique Romo, Kent Tekulve, John Candelaria, Jim
Bibby.

        Going by this, the 1979 Pirates did not *regularly* start an all
black/hispanic starting line-up, but on a given night, they could have started:

        C: Nicosia or Sanguillen (who didn't play much for the Bucs in 1979 but
           was a hero during the World Series).
        1B: Stargell or Bill Madlock or John Milner
        2B: Stennett or Madlock (who played 2B once and a while) or Lee
            Lacy (who played a few games at second once and a long while; he
            also played some short and third earlier in his career)
        3B: Madlock
        SS: Taveras (in the beginning of the year. But Taveras was traded away
            before Madlock arrived in July, so they couldn't have played
            together -- this sounds like a GRE analytical question) or
            Stennett (who played short occassionally, but I don't think he
            started any games at short in 1979; he may have come in as a late
            inning replacement)
        OF: Milner, Moreno, Lacy, Parker, Robinson
        P: Bibby, Romero, Jackson (but Romero and Jackson weren't starting
           pitchers. Bibby would be the asnwer here)

        The big problem with the 1979 Pirates starting an all black/hispanic
team is shortstop. Taveras was traded really early, and Stennett really wasn't
a shortstop. It would have been easier to start this team earlier in the decade
for the Pirates.
        [I have a feeling I'll get flamed for this, but I really believe that
the reason this 1979 team hasn't captured Pittsburgh's hearts like the 1960
team is all the minority players on the 1979 team and the lack of them on the
1960 team. Pittsburgh has a long history of not appreciating their black
players (Stargell and Sangillen are the main exceptions to this. Clemente, too,
but only after he died.).]
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PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by John Pouts » Tue, 04 Oct 1994 03:59:50

Quote:



>>>The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
>>>team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.

>C  - ?
>1B - Willie Stargell
>2B - Reggie Stennett
>SS - Frank Taveras (?)
>3B - Bill Madlock
>OF - Oscar Moreno, Dave Parker, Bill Robinson
>P  - ?

This was certainly not the '79 Pirates, who had such greats as Phil Garner
and Tom Foli and Ed Ott.  It may have been 77 or 78 Bucs, with
Manny Sanguillen as catcher.

paul

 
 
 

PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by Eric Smi » Wed, 05 Oct 1994 01:13:05

Quote:



>>>>The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
>>>>team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.
>>C  - ?
>>1B - Willie Stargell
>>2B - Reggie Stennett
>>SS - Frank Taveras (?)
>>3B - Bill Madlock
>>OF - Oscar Moreno, Dave Parker, Bill Robinson
>>P  - ?
>This was certainly not the '79 Pirates, who had such greats as Phil Garner
>and Tom Foli and Ed Ott.  It may have been 77 or 78 Bucs, with
>Manny Sanguillen as catcher.

According to Total Baseball, those players all played for the Pirates
in 1979.

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PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by Bradley Bro » Wed, 05 Oct 1994 01:27:16


Quote:



>>With all the attention that the PBS series pays to the exclusion of
>>blacks from baseball, I was expecting some discussion of the comparable
>>talent pool among Latin Americans.

>The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
>team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.

Also mentioned were a couple of light skinned Cubans the Reds signed
during the ***s.
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Post by Ira K. Bl » Sat, 08 Oct 1994 17:10:00


|>

|>
|> >>The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
|> >>team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.
|>
|> >Can someone fill in the names for me?  Thanks in advance.
|>
|> C  - ?  Tony Pena
|> 1B - Willie Stargell
|> 2B - Reggie Stennett
|> SS - Frank Taveras (?)
|> 3B - Bill Madlock
|> OF - Oscar Moreno, Dave Parker, Bill Robinson
|> P  - ?
|>
|> -----
|> Eric Smith

|> CI$: 70262,3610
|>

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Post by Warren L » Sat, 08 Oct 1994 07:34:28


|>

|>

|>
|> >>>>The only mention I recall was to say that the '79 Pirates were the first
|> >>>>team to have an all-black and Hispanic starting lineup.
|>
|> >>C  - ?
|> >>1B - Willie Stargell
|> >>2B - Reggie Stennett
|> >>SS - Frank Taveras (?)
|> >>3B - Bill Madlock
|> >>OF - Oscar Moreno, Dave Parker, Bill Robinson
|> >>P  - ?
|>
|> >This was certainly not the '79 Pirates, who had such greats as Phil Garner
|> >and Tom Foli and Ed Ott.  It may have been 77 or 78 Bucs, with
|> >Manny Sanguillen as catcher.

This isn't right.  Frank Taveras was traded for Tim Foli at the beginning of the
year.  Bill Madlock was obtained by the Bucs in midseason.  The C that year
were Ed Ott, Steve Nicosia, and third string was Manny Sanguillen.

Theoretically, the Bucs could have had at the beginning of the year for a game :

C - Sanguillen
1B - Stargell
2B - Stennett (although Garner moved to 2B when the Bucs got Madlock)
SS - Taveras
3B - Garner
LF - Robinson/Milner
CF - Moreno
RF - Parker

|>
|> According to Total Baseball, those players all played for the Pirates
|> in 1979.
|>
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|> CI$: 70262,3610
|>

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PBS series omits Hispanics

Post by arh.. » Tue, 11 Oct 1994 16:13:24

Quote:

>C  - ?

Manny Sanguillen?
16
p - Doc Ellis?