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Post by david n. cla » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:30:37


...everyone vote for troy glaus so that mariner morons don't make a
historically dismal all-star pick.

"talent? who needs it? we have andy sheets."
-david m. nieporent, on the tampa bay devil rays
 
 
 

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Post by Doug Norr » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:39:44


Quote:
>...everyone vote for troy glaus so that mariner morons don't make a
>historically dismal all-star pick.

Yeah, this is going to entirely ruin the holiness of the All-Star Game.  The
very same ASG that has people like you, ***ing about picks just like this,
every single year.

The game's for the fans - let 'em vote for whoever the hell they want.

Doug

 
 
 

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Post by <j.. » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:58:50


:>...everyone vote for troy glaus so that mariner morons don't make a
:>historically dismal all-star pick.

: Yeah, this is going to entirely ruin the holiness of the All-Star Game.  The
: very same ASG that has people like you, ***ing about picks just like this,
: every single year.

: The game's for the fans - let 'em vote for whoever the hell they want.

I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
of changing the procedures.

There are only two stars at 3B in the AL: Glaus, and Ripken.  Any system
that yields a different starter isn't working very well.

JHB

 
 
 

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Post by Doug Norr » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:22:01

Quote:

>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
>of changing the procedures.

Well, if you're worried about "the Japanese" putting Bell over the top,
note that Bell's not leading in the on-line voting.  

Doug

 
 
 

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Post by Keith Willoughb » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:32:01

Quote:


> >I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
> >silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
> >selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
> >doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
> >of changing the procedures.

> Well, if you're worried about "the Japanese" putting Bell over the top,
> note that Bell's not leading in the on-line voting.  

Actual voting slips are being distributed in Japan, I believe.

--
Keith Willoughby                              |          Fire Jimy
This isn't TV, he isn't William Shatner

 
 
 

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Post by Ima Pseudony » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:36:50


Quote:


>>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
>>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
>>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
>>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
>>of changing the procedures.

>Well, if you're worried about "the Japanese" putting Bell over the top,
>note that Bell's not leading in the on-line voting.  

I thought I'd heard that actual ballots were distributed in Japan,
besides internet access.
 
 
 

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Post by <j.. » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:48:18

:>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
:>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
:>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
:>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
:>of changing the procedures.

: Well, if you're worried about "the Japanese" putting Bell over the top,
: note that Bell's not leading in the on-line voting.  

Did I say anything about that?

JHB

 
 
 

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Post by Doug Norr » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:51:54

Quote:




>>>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
>>>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
>>>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
>>>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
>>>of changing the procedures.

>>Well, if you're worried about "the Japanese" putting Bell over the top,
>>note that Bell's not leading in the on-line voting.  
>I thought I'd heard that actual ballots were distributed in Japan,
>besides internet access.

Really?  That's certainly odd.

Doug

 
 
 

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Post by Doug Norr » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:52:11

Quote:



>:>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
>:>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
>:>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
>:>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
>:>of changing the procedures.
>: Well, if you're worried about "the Japanese" putting Bell over the top,
>: note that Bell's not leading in the on-line voting.  
>Did I say anything about that?

Nope, but it's one of the reasons many people list, so I wanted to get to
it first.

Doug

 
 
 

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Post by David Marc Nieporen » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:07:56

Quote:



>:>...everyone vote for troy glaus so that mariner morons don't make a
>:>historically dismal all-star pick.
>: Yeah, this is going to entirely ruin the holiness of the All-Star Game.  The
>: very same ASG that has people like you, ***ing about picks just like this,
>: every single year.
>: The game's for the fans - let 'em vote for whoever the hell they want.
>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.

True, but (as I'm sure you realize) it's also silly to criticize "mariner
morons."  Obviously people voting for him aren't doing so under the
impression that he's the best 3Bman around.  

Quote:
> If the current
>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
>of changing the procedures.
>There are only two stars at 3B in the AL: Glaus, and Ripken.  Any system
>that yields a different starter isn't working very well.

Scott Brosius sure wouldn't be my pick, but he also wouldn't to me be a
sign that the system was broken.

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Post by Ima Pseudony » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:12:42


Quote:





>>>>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
>>>>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.  If the current
>>>>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
>>>>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
>>>>of changing the procedures.

>>>Well, if you're worried about "the Japanese" putting Bell over the top,
>>>note that Bell's not leading in the on-line voting.  

>>I thought I'd heard that actual ballots were distributed in Japan,
>>besides internet access.

>Really?  That's certainly odd.

I don't understand why they'd do it, probably an attempt to get more
revenue from Japan with Ichiro coming over - you know, get the
Japanese fans e***d about U.S. baseball.
 
 
 

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Post by <j.. » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:35:44




:>:>...everyone vote for troy glaus so that mariner morons don't make a
:>:>historically dismal all-star pick.

:>: Yeah, this is going to entirely ruin the holiness of the All-Star Game.  The
:>: very same ASG that has people like you, ***ing about picks just like this,
:>: every single year.
:>: The game's for the fans - let 'em vote for whoever the hell they want.

:>I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
:>silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.

: True, but (as I'm sure you realize) it's also silly to criticize "mariner
: morons."  Obviously people voting for him aren't doing so under the
: impression that he's the best 3Bman around.  

I'm not criticizing anybody.  I think there are really only two plausible
legit starters at the position; a system that can't select one of them is
making a mistake.  A system that, uh, systematically made such mistakes
would be a bad system.

:> If the current
:>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
:>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
:>of changing the procedures.

:>There are only two stars at 3B in the AL: Glaus, and Ripken.  Any system
:>that yields a different starter isn't working very well.

: Scott Brosius sure wouldn't be my pick, but he also wouldn't to me be a
: sign that the system was broken.

Maybe not as bad as Bell, but not at all a good sign.

JHB

 
 
 

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Post by David Marc Nieporen » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:52:14

In article


Quote:

>> I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
>> silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.
>Who else is voting, then, if not the fans?

Certain fans.  It's not one-fan, one-vote, after all.  Ordinarily, I don't
have a problem with that -- the more committed fans are more likely to
vote, and are likely to vote more frequently, and that's fine.  But if
non-MLB fans are stuffing the box from another country, because only one
team's games are available in that country, that's not.

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Post by Lewis Nguye » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:09:49



Quote:
> In article



> >> I strongly disagree.  Bell would be a terrible AS selection, and it's
> >> silly to think that "the fans" are demanding him.

> >Who else is voting, then, if not the fans?

> Certain fans.  It's not one-fan, one-vote, after all.  Ordinarily, I don't
> have a problem with that -- the more committed fans are more likely to
> vote, and are likely to vote more frequently, and that's fine.  But if
> non-MLB fans are stuffing the box from another country, because only one
> team's games are available in that country, that's not.

Where's the evidence that it's the ignorant Japanese that are voting Bell
in? Glaus and Ripken are leading the online votes. And there are 29 stadiums
to Seattle's one. Even if with Japan, Bell could not be winning with Seattle
and Japanese votes alone.

Besides, he won't win anyway. The votes generated after Ripken's retirement
announcement have yet to be counted.

Lewis.

 
 
 

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Post by Ima Pseudony » Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:15:54

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:07:56 -0400, David Marc Nieporent

Quote:

>> If the current
>>selection procedure yielded results such as this one regularly (it
>>doesn't; this would be a rare example), then I for one would be in favor
>>of changing the procedures.

>>There are only two stars at 3B in the AL: Glaus, and Ripken.  Any system
>>that yields a different starter isn't working very well.

>Scott Brosius sure wouldn't be my pick, but he also wouldn't to me be a
>sign that the system was broken.

Yes, but there's some rational basis (mistaken, but still rational) to
think of Brosius as a star - he has had good seasons; he is often
considered an outstanding fielder; he won a world series mvp, iirc; he
went to McMinnville HS the same time I was going to college in that
town; he's having a pretty good season this year, actually.  Bell is
reasonably close to being a poster child for a replacement level 3b
this season, and this season isn't out of line with anything he's done
in the past.

Even Sandy Alomar had some rationale for making the team - an
overemphasis on defensive reputation for catchers.  He shouldn't have
made it, in some sense, but it wasn't totally irrational.  If Bell
makes it, there will be a career scrub starting, without even the
benefit of having a fluke season.