I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money

I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money

Post by 25436-vaug » Wed, 08 Apr 1992 22:51:24


Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),
but the larger point with the Mets in 1992 is that this is
a team with a re-cast personality.

Gone are (in order of importance):  Frank Cashen, Buddy Harrelson,
Kevin McReynolds, Gregg Jefferies, Frank Viola.

In their place are (again, in order of importance):  Al Harazin,
Jeff Torborg, Bobby Bonilla, Bret Saberhagen, Eddie Murray and
Willie Randolph.

(Do you notice a trend here in terms of type-of-person?)

The biggest off-season move they made was selecting Torborg as
their manager.  For the first time since around 1987 they will
be getting true leadership from their manager.  The Days of
Whine and Poses are *OVER*.

Not that this gurantees any championships -- their defense and
the bottom of the order are suspect -- but the days of their
unfocused, lack-of-work-ethic are over.

A perfect example is that Torborg got very visibly in Vince Coleman's
face after a lack of hustle cost him a base hit.  It was Harrelson's
refusal to get in Coleman's face last spring over a similar incident
that showed the Mets who wasn't in charge and which also set the tone
for the hideous season that followed.

The only downside to McReynolds' departure is that we won't get to see
Torborg going after his unrepetantly so-what attitude.

Again, this gurantees nothing (except no repeat of their 1991
fifth-place finish), but this attitude adjustment is unmistakable,
and that ain't good news for the rest of the NL East.

Gonna be fun to watch.  As always.

Dick V.

 
 
 

I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money

Post by Paul S Galvan » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 00:25:30

Quote:

>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),
>but the larger point with the Mets in 1992 is that this is
>a team with a re-cast personality.

Don't get to e***d Mr. V.  Last night's homers were visually impressive but,
know that Bonilla has traditionally hit well at Busch Stadium ( Jim Rooker
said last night that the majority of Bonilla's career hrs were hit in either
Busch or Wrigley field), he usually starts off strong in April showing lots
of power and then slumps come early summer, and last but not least my sister
could have taken the*** curve ball Deleon served him and driven just as
far.

So trust me when I tell you that Bobby will let Mets fans down many times before
the season ends...

...I know this because a. he won't beable play the whole season at Busch with
it's now shorter fences. b. as the season progress the "good pitchers" will
never throw him those types of pitches when they have two strikes on him.  c.
Because he plays for the Mets.

PSG.

 
 
 

I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money

Post by Ken Mitch » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 00:56:27

Quote:

>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),

I would say you will definitely be right, that he was worth the
money, if he continues on schedule and hits 324 home runs.

 -km

 
 
 

I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money

Post by Sherri Nicho » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 01:52:56


Quote:
>Don't get to e***d Mr. V.  Last night's homers were visually impressive but,
>know that Bonilla has traditionally hit well at Busch Stadium ( Jim Rooker
>said last night that the majority of Bonilla's career hrs were hit in either
>Busch or Wrigley field), he usually starts off strong in April showing lots
>of power and then slumps come early summer, and last but not least my sister
>could have taken the*** curve ball Deleon served him and driven just as
>far.

More revisionist nonsense.  The statement that the "majority of Bonilla's
career hr's were hit in either Busch or Wrigley" is patently false and
absurd; the majority of Bonilla's career home runs were hit in Three Rivers
Stadium (61 of them, to be exact).  Bonilla has hit somewhat better on the
road than at home over his career, though, and the move to Shea will likely
make that effect more pronounced.

The statement that Bonilla starts off strong in April is true; Bonilla does
have good April numbers for his career.  His worst month over his career
has been July, when he has hit .256/.334/.418.  His best month over his
career has been August, though, when he has hit .308/.385/.523.  These
numbers are 6 year totals for Bonilla's career.

This silly Bonilla-bashing is ridiculous.  I'll never understand why people
get so offended when a ballplayer chooses to leave their city.  That
Bonilla is now a Met does not lessen my appreciation of him as a ballplayer
one whit; I can hope the Mets lose without having to hate the players on
the team, or make up stuff to put them down.

Sherri Nichols

 
 
 

I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money

Post by Matt Tell » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 03:26:19

Quote:

>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),
>but the larger point with the Mets in 1992 is that this is
>a team with a re-cast personality.

Time will tell, but last night's game was pretty good.

Quote:

>Gone are (in order of importance):  Frank Cashen, Buddy Harrelson,
>Kevin McReynolds, Gregg Jefferies, Frank Viola.

Actually, Keith Miller is missing as well, and I would probably put him at the
worst loss...

Quote:

>In their place are (again, in order of importance):  Al Harazin,
>Jeff Torborg, Bobby Bonilla, Bret Saberhagen, Eddie Murray and
>Willie Randolph.

Murray and Randolph will have to prove themselves to me, as ballplayers.  The
rest are just great acquisitions.

Quote:
>A perfect example is that Torborg got very visibly in Vince Coleman's
>face after a lack of hustle cost him a base hit.  It was Harrelson's
>refusal to get in Coleman's face last spring over a similar incident
>that showed the Mets who wasn't in charge and which also set the tone
>for the hideous season that followed.

True.  However it did bother me that they needed to bunt Coleman over in the
tenth.  Not that it mattered, of course.

Quote:
>Gonna be fun to watch.  As always.

That's for sure.

Matt
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Post by Matt Tell » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 03:29:54


Quote:

>...I know this because a. he won't beable play the whole season at Busch with
>it's now shorter fences. b. as the season progress the "good pitchers" will
>never throw him those types of pitches when they have two strikes on him.  c.
>Because he plays for the Mets.

Oh, I'm sorry, I just couldn't pass this one up.  Did you *see* either of the
home runs?  They would have very happily traveled out of *any* park in either
league.  Please!  Don't tell me about short fences!

On the other hand, I'm not sending my check for the World Series at Shea quite
yet either, I just couldn't let that one go...

Matt
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Post by Paul S Galvan » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 04:26:55

Quote:

>career hr's were hit in either Busch or Wrigley" is patently false and
>absurd; the majority of Bonilla's career home runs were hit in Three Rivers
>Stadium (61 of them, to be exact).  Bonilla has hit somewhat better on the
>road than at home over his career, though, and the move to Shea will likely
>make that effect more pronounced.

GEE Sherri, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was speaking of hitting
on the road and not claiming  he hit more in Busch or Wrigley than at
Three Rivers

Quote:

>This silly Bonilla-bashing is ridiculous.  I'll never understand why people
>get so offended when a ballplayer chooses to leave their city.  That
>Bonilla is now a Met does not lessen my appreciation of him as a ballplayer
>one whit; I can hope the Mets lose without having to hate the players on
>the team, or make up stuff to put them down.

You might ask people why they do that but in my case I always disliked the guy.
Neal Traven and Mike Contento (occassional posters her) will tell you that I
prayed daily, for most of the years he was here, that the Pirates would trade
that bum.  I think he's a hot dog, a slacker, a phoney, one dimensional player
and I was glad to see him go and I'll cheer every time he flops in New York.

Any team foolish enough to pay him the kind of money the Mets are deserve the
fourth place finish they're going to get!

PSG

 
 
 

I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money

Post by Stephen C. Mille » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 04:33:15

Quote:

>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),

Yup - right on track to hit over 300.  Should justify his contract.
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Post by Matt Tell » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 04:48:27

Quote:

>This silly Bonilla-bashing is ridiculous.  I'll never understand why people
>get so offended when a ballplayer chooses to leave their city.  That
>Bonilla is now a Met does not lessen my appreciation of him as a ballplayer
>one whit; I can hope the Mets lose without having to hate the players on

           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aw Sherri, and you were being so *nice* up to then :)

Quote:
>the team, or make up stuff to put them down.

Thanks for the (as usual) accurate information.

Matt

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Post by Sherri Nicho » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 05:27:38


Quote:
>GEE Sherri, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was speaking of hitting
>on the road and not claiming  he hit more in Busch or Wrigley than at
>Three Rivers

Then why don't you say what you mean?

In any event, so what?  

Quote:
>You might ask people why they do that but in my case I always disliked the guy.
>Neal Traven and Mike Contento (occassional posters her) will tell you that I
>prayed daily, for most of the years he was here, that the Pirates would trade
>that bum.  I think he's a hot dog, a slacker, a phoney, one dimensional player
>and I was glad to see him go and I'll cheer every time he flops in New
>York.

The other thing I'll never understand is why people get so personally
worked up about people they've never even met.  Why in the world do you
care whether Bobby Bonilla is the nicest guy on the face of the earth or a
jerk?  You're not being asked to interact with him on a personal level in
any way.

Sherri Nichols

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Carpent » Thu, 09 Apr 1992 10:05:50


Quote:

>>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),

>Yup - right on track to hit over 300.  Should justify his contract.
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What is all this garbage?

One game has been play, and people are acting like the season is  2/3
gone, with Bonilla repeating the first game every game.

Hog wash,   One good game  *Doesn't*  make a season.

Dan

 
 
 

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Post by Ken Mitch » Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:09:24

Quote:

>This silly Bonilla-bashing is ridiculous.  I'll never understand why people
>get so offended when a ballplayer chooses to leave their city.  That
>Bonilla is now a Met does not lessen my appreciation of him as a ballplayer
>one whit; I can hope the Mets lose without having to hate the players on

I have not engaged in "Bonilla-bashing", although I do think he was
overrated. I do understand the feeling behind it from the local
perspective, however. People were not offended by the fact that he
left, but by his attitude regarding the negotiations. He constantly
pulled that "Bobby Bo's got to look out for his family" ***and
accused the Pirates of never making a serious offer, which is not
true. He also let it be known that he never gave staying in Pittsburgh
any serious consideration. As he paraded through each other major
leage city saying he would like to play there (until he hit the next
city), he looked silly.

Barry Bonds, despite his image elsewhere, and his tendency to make
brash statements about ownership, has carefully avoided saying
anything negative about the city. He also has refused to comment about
things during the season.  He has indicated that he would like to
return to the West Coast, but he has not rubbed Pittsburgh's nose in
it. One has the feeling that if the Pirates came up with enough money,
he might stay. When Barry leaves, everyone will miss him, despite
the problems he has had, and there will be no Barry-bashing.

 -Ken Mitchum

 
 
 

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Post by Mark Colalu » Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:41:37

Quote:


>>This silly Bonilla-bashing is ridiculous.  I'll never understand why people
[stuff deleted]

>perspective, however. People were not offended by the fact that he
>left, but by his attitude regarding the negotiations. He constantly

                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I totally agree.  If Bonilla had simply said "I'd like to play for
the Mets", Pittsburgh people would have let him go his way.  But Bonilla
insisted on leading on the people by wavering on whether he would re-sign
or not, when he NEVER had any intention of doing so.  Personally, I feel
he is worth good money as a hitter, but tends to be a liability on
defense, not to mention his (and Bonds') failure to show up for the last
2 NLCS playoffs.  My sentiment is that he wasn't ever going to sign with
the Pirates anyways, so let him go.

Quote:
>it. One has the feeling that if the Pirates came up with enough money,
>he might stay. When Barry leaves, everyone will miss him, despite
>the problems he has had, and there will be no Barry-bashing.

Agreed again.  Barry Bonds in fact has said he is grateful to Pittsburgh
for allowing him the chance to play full-time right away.  My hope is that
Pittsburgh will see that he is the most complete player in baseball, and
should pay him Bonilla-like money (or more) to keep him.  Hopefully, this
season we will see him in the lineup at his rightful spot - 3rd.

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Post by Dan Carpent » Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:43:35

Quote:



>>...I know this because a. he won't beable play the whole season at Busch with
>>it's now shorter fences. b. as the season progress the "good pitchers" will
>>never throw him those types of pitches when they have two strikes on him.  c.
>>Because he plays for the Mets.

>Oh, I'm sorry, I just couldn't pass this one up.  Did you *see* either of the
>home runs?  They would have very happily traveled out of *any* park in either
>league.  Please!  Don't tell me about short fences!

>On the other hand, I'm not sending my check for the World Series at Shea quite
>yet either, I just couldn't let that one go...

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For those "Counting their High-Bonilla Stocks before their Made",  Only
.012345679 percent of the season games have been played and people have
the idea Bonilla already is guaranteeed  [ 45 HRS, 155 RBIs, 98 RUNS,
.950 FA and etc.].  Their are 160 games left to go folks, Don't count
the chickens before their hatched.

Dan

 
 
 

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Post by Sherri Nicho » Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:51:20

Quote:

>left, but by his attitude regarding the negotiations. He constantly
>pulled that "Bobby Bo's got to look out for his family" ***and
>accused the Pirates of never making a serious offer, which is not
>true.

I do think it's true.  The Pirates never made Bobby Bonilla an offer that
was competitive at the time they made it.  Doing things like making Bonilla
an offer, then signing Van Slyke for more money per year than you've
currently offered Bonilla, is not being serious.

Quote:
>He also let it be known that he never gave staying in Pittsburgh
>any serious consideration. As he paraded through each other major
>leage city saying he would like to play there (until he hit the next
>city), he looked silly.

So what?  That's what I don't understand.  Why does anyone care?

Quote:
>it. One has the feeling that if the Pirates came up with enough money,
>he might stay.

I don't have that feeling at all.  I don't think the Pirates have a chance
of signing Bonds.

Quote:
> When Barry leaves, everyone will miss him, despite
>the problems he has had, and there will be no Barry-bashing.

Want to bet on that?

Sherri Nichols