Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by Fletcher Terr » Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:00:00


I am amazed at all of the garbage coming from various sections of
the media regarding the Final Four and whether the teams need to
be reseeded!  Ridiculous.  The beauty of this tournament is that
the teams that peak towards the end of the season and play the
best basketball during the tournament will win!  I think that
reseeding the tournament is a ridiculous idea!  Mississippi
State, Syracuse, UMass, and Kentucky ARE the best four teams left
and they all should be given due credit!!  
 
 
 

Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by Rand E. Sac » Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:00:00

: I am amazed at all of the garbage coming from various sections of
: the media regarding the Final Four and whether the teams need to
: be reseeded!  Ridiculous.  The beauty of this tournament is that
: the teams that peak towards the end of the season and play the
: best basketball during the tournament will win!  I think that
: reseeding the tournament is a ridiculous idea!  Mississippi
: State, Syracuse, UMass, and Kentucky ARE the best four teams left
: and they all should be given due credit!!  

Here, here!  Enough of the media crap.  It's a tournament, just like the
NBA, the NHL, the NFL, and MLB.  If the best teams on your side of the
bracket get knocked off, then you are lucky.  I've always said I'd rather
be lucky then good!!  I wish everyone would stop trying to make it easier
for the favorites to win.  I love those underdogs!!  For those of you
who think the Kent. - UMass game is the NCAA championship, all I have
to say is NC State, Villanova, etc.

Give me a break.

 
 
 

Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by D R Cri » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

} I am amazed at all of the garbage coming from various sections of
} the media regarding the Final Four and whether the teams need to
} be reseeded!  Ridiculous.  The beauty of this tournament is that
} the teams that peak towards the end of the season and play the
} best basketball during the tournament will win!  I think that
} reseeding the tournament is a ridiculous idea!  Mississippi
} State, Syracuse, UMass, and Kentucky ARE the best four teams left
} and they all should be given due credit!!  

Interestingly enough, I first heard the discussion about it on this
newsgroup long before I heard it this weekend (last week sometime?)
concerning the idea.  I also heard about the 5 second rule and a
player/team rolling the ball inbounds in this group before they
covered it on CBS / ESPN? this past weekend.

I have found it interesting (and very different from past coverage)
that this year's NCAA Final Four coverage by CBS has been somewhat
better with staggering the start times and coverages.  They have
also been discussing issues that I've seen discussed HERE first!!
Makes ya kinda wonder if they're out there watching US!

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Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by Eric_Pfeffe.. » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I don't agree with reseeding the Final Four either, but....

something should have been done ahead of time to set up a potential #1
(UMass) vs. #2 (Kent.) in the Final game rather than the semi final.

 
 
 

Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by Douglas Gla » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00

: I am amazed at all of the garbage coming from various sections of
: the media regarding the Final Four and whether the teams need to
: be reseeded!  Ridiculous.  The beauty of this tournament is that
: the teams that peak towards the end of the season and play the
: best basketball during the tournament will win!  I think that
: reseeding the tournament is a ridiculous idea!  Mississippi
: State, Syracuse, UMass, and Kentucky ARE the best four teams left
: and they all should be given due credit!!  

I wouldn't say they were the best four teams left, but they were
definately the ones who were able to not lose when it counted, although
UMass and UK are still the top two teams (three through eight or ten gets
a little murky).

 
 
 

Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by Pete Coughl » Tue, 09 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

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> Reseeding the tournament is a ridiculous idea!  Mississippi
> State, Syracuse, UMass, and Kentucky ARE the best four teams left  

Uh...Aren't they the ONLY four teams left?  :-)

But seriously...Reseeding after the Final Four is determined is a lame
idea, but what about not deciding which regions meet in the Final Four
until the 64 team field is announced?  As it is now, it was set months ago
that the Midwest would meet the East (I think that's right) in the Final
Four.  Why the heck does this need to be determined ahea of time?  If they
waited until the 64 team field was announced, they could arrange so that
the 2 best teams (UMass & UK this year) could meet in the final (if they
made it that far).

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Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by Milt Epste » Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:00:00

[ ... ]

Quote:
>But seriously...Reseeding after the Final Four is determined is a lame
>idea, but what about not deciding which regions meet in the Final Four
>until the 64 team field is announced?  As it is now, it was set months ago
>that the Midwest would meet the East (I think that's right) in the Final

Actually, it was set years ago, as the sequence of which regions meet
continuously rotates through a specified pattern (there are only three
possibilities).

Quote:
>Four.  Why the heck does this need to be determined ahea of time?  If they
>waited until the 64 team field was announced, they could arrange so that
>the 2 best teams (UMass & UK this year) could meet in the final (if they
>made it that far).

Why is this idea not just as lame as reseeding the Final Four teams?

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Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by tcada » Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


>[ ... ]
>>But seriously...Reseeding after the Final Four is determined is a lame
>>idea, but what about not deciding which regions meet in the Final Four
>>until the 64 team field is announced?  As it is now, it was set months ago
>>that the Midwest would meet the East (I think that's right) in the Final

>Actually, it was set years ago, as the sequence of which regions meet
>continuously rotates through a specified pattern (there are only three
>possibilities).

>>Four.  Why the heck does this need to be determined ahea of time?  If they
>>waited until the 64 team field was announced, they could arrange so that
>>the 2 best teams (UMass & UK this year) could meet in the final (if they
>>made it that far).

>Why is this idea not just as lame as reseeding the Final Four teams?

For one thing, because the semifinal matchups aren't truly a geographical
clash.  In the 70's and before, an "East v. Midwest" matchup in the
semifinals might be a genuine matchup between the last Eastern team
standing and the last Midwestern team standing.  Today, the teams are
seeded and placed in their region without much regard to geography, so
who cares whether the same two regions face off in the Final Four more
often than once every three years?  As opposed to reseeding the Final
Four teams, which would clearly punish a Cinderella team, I don't see any
inherent bias/wrong in waiting until the brackets are set decide who
plays who.

Tom Adams KU '93

 
 
 

Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by tcada » Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>often than once every three years?  As opposed to reseeding the Final
>Four teams, which would clearly punish a Cinderella team, I don't see any
>inherent bias/wrong in waiting until the brackets are set decide who
>plays who.                                               to

                                                          ^^

Sorry about that.

 
 
 

Media Morons (Reseeding the Final Four)

Post by John Colot » Thu, 11 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


>: I am amazed at all of the garbage coming from various sections of
>: the media regarding the Final Four and whether the teams need to
>: be reseeded!  Ridiculous.  The beauty of this tournament is that
>: the teams that peak towards the end of the season and play the
>: best basketball during the tournament will win!  I think that
>: reseeding the tournament is a ridiculous idea!  Mississippi
>: State, Syracuse, UMass, and Kentucky ARE the best four teams left
>: and they all should be given due credit!!  

>I wouldn't say they were the best four teams left, but they were
>definately the ones who were able to not lose when it counted, although
>UMass and UK are still the top two teams (three through eight or ten gets
>a little murky).

The media spouting about reseeding is a ratings game, and nothing more.

It seems to me that what really needs to give is the NCAA's insistence on
keeping teams in their home region.  For example, UMass was kept at home,
but UK had to change regions because the regional final was being held at
Rupp Arena.  If the NCAA truly seeded the teams 1->64, then the finals
could be set as 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3.  If the seeding takes precedence over
the home region, then moving a few teams could have resulted in a UK vs.
UMass final, while still preserving the NCAA's other placement criteria:

        UK from SE (home region) to East
        UMass from East to SE
        MSU from SE to MW (separate conference opponents)
        UConn from SE to MW (#3 seed, after UMass and UK)

I realize that there are probably some other conference dominoes on down
the line, but the point is the NCAA places greater precedence on keeping
higher seeded teams in their home region than on placing the teams in
brackets to create the 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 matchups in the finals.

JohnC
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