RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Nelson » Mon, 08 Aug 1994 12:13:25


                                RC/26   Value
Paul O'Neill, New York-A        10.78   47.59
Tony Gwynn, San Diego           10.74   51.03
David Justice, Atlanta          8.7     30.6
Larry Walker, Montreal          8.34    32.27
Rusty Greer, Texas              7.54    16.31
Dante Bichette, Colorado        7.16    25.3
Gary Sheffield, Florida         7.11    16.69
Jay Buhner, Seattle             6.83    16.37
Darrin Jackson, Chicago-A       6.8     15.3
Kirby Puckett, Minnesota        6.66    17.38
Tim Salmon, California          6.6     14.74
Junior Felix, Detroit           6.49    11.13
Jeffrey Hammonds, Baltimore     6.43    7.99
Joe Carter, Toronto             6.29    13.39
Sammy Sosa, Chicago-N           6.28    13.31
Manny Ramirez, Cleveland        6.22    8.48
AVERAGE                         6.05
Dave Clark, Pittsburgh          5.95    5.04
Raul Mondesi, Los Angeles       5.88    9
Mark Whiten, St. Louis          5.81    6.23
Jim Eisenreich, Philadelphia    5.73    4.94
Reggie Sanders, Cincinnati      5.62    6.17
Orlando Merced, Pittsburgh      5.62    5.52
Felix Jose, Kansas City         5.37    2.99
Matt Mieske, Milwaukee          5.05    0
REPLACEMENT LEVEL               5.05
Ruben Sierra, Oakland           5       -0.59
Dave Martinez, San Francisco    4.21    -5.18
Joe Orsulak, New York-N         3.6     -11.5
James Mouton, Houston           3.46    -14.3

Top 5:
Gwynn                           10.74   51.03
O'Neill                         10.78   47.59
Walker                          8.34    32.27
Justice                         8.7     30.6
Bichette                        7.16    25.3

Bottom 5:
Mouton                          3.46    -14.3
Orsulak                         3.6     -11.5
Mattias Carrillo, Florida       2.91    -8.23
Tony Longmire, Philadelphia     2.87    -7.72
Bob Zupcic, Chicago-A           2.32    -7.04

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by kevin sawad broo » Mon, 08 Aug 1994 23:49:47

Quote:

>                            RC/26   Value
>James Mouton, Houston               3.46    -14.3

Isn't Kevin Bass playing quite a bit these days instead
of Mouton?  

Kevin
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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Nelson » Tue, 09 Aug 1994 07:52:38



Quote:

>>                                RC/26   Value
>>James Mouton, Houston           3.46    -14.3

>Isn't Kevin Bass playing quite a bit these days instead
>of Mouton?  

Yes, but Mouton played so much earlier in the season that in terms of playing
time he is still one of the top 28 RFs in the majors.

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Ira K. Bl » Wed, 10 Aug 1994 01:44:46

                                RC/26   Value
Ryan Klesko, Atlanta            7.25    17.02
Bob Hamelin, Kansas City        7.64    16.37
Rusty Greer, Texas              7.54    16.31
Raul Mondesi, Los Angeles       5.88    9
Manny Ramirez, Cleveland        6.22    8.48
Javier Lopez, Atlanta           4       3.16
Jim Edmonds, California         4.97    2.83
Fausto Cruz, Oakland            0.26    -2.35
Alex Rodriguez, Seattle         1.88    -2.38
John Patterson, San Francisco   3.08    -5.11
Tony Longmire, Philadelphia     2.87    -7.72
Mattias Carrillo, Florida       2.91    -8.23
James Mouton, Houston           3.46    -14.3

Note that Klesko has been platooning, and that Bob Hamelin is a DH.  While Greer
plays every day in either Right or Center.

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Nelson » Wed, 10 Aug 1994 03:49:57



Quote:

>                            RC/26   Value
>Ryan Klesko, Atlanta                7.25    17.02
>Bob Hamelin, Kansas City    7.64    16.37
>Rusty Greer, Texas          7.54    16.31
>Note that Klesko has been platooning, and that Bob Hamelin is a DH.  While Greer
>plays every day in either Right or Center.

This is still somewhat irrelevant: Greer still has less playing time than
Klesko, and the positional adjustments (which are, for this year, quite severe
for DHes) are built in as well.

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by ken eme » Wed, 10 Aug 1994 06:28:06


Quote:




>>                                RC/26   Value
>>Ryan Klesko, Atlanta            7.25    17.02
>>Bob Hamelin, Kansas City        7.64    16.37
>>Rusty Greer, Texas              7.54    16.31
>>Note that Klesko has been platooning, and that Bob Hamelin is a DH.  While Greer
>>plays every day in either Right or Center.
>...in which case, he must have been called up after the season started.
>How else to explain that his "value" is less than Klesko, even though
>his RC/26 is higher?

Greer was in fact called up later.  In mid may (may 16th) and played
his first major league game against the A's.  He also hit a home run
in that game if I remember correctly (not in his first at bat though.

Quote:
>Since his PT is actually *less* than Klesko, it would still be a
>stretch to claim Greer has more value (i.e. is more deserving of
>ROY), IMO.

Rusty missed the first 40 or so games of the season because he was in
the minors.  He seems to have become a regular since he was called up.
As of yesterday he was hitting ~.315 with 10 HR (I don't have his walks
or I would give his OBA).

bye,
ken emery

 
 
 

RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by John Lem » Wed, 10 Aug 1994 07:38:09




|> >                              RC/26   Value
|> >Ryan Klesko, Atlanta          7.25    17.02
|> >Bob Hamelin, Kansas City      7.64    16.37
|> >Rusty Greer, Texas            7.54    16.31
|> >
|> >Note that Klesko has been platooning, and that Bob Hamelin is a DH.  While Greer
|> >plays every day in either Right or Center.
|>
|> ...in which case, he must have been called up after the season started.
|> How else to explain that his "value" is less than Klesko, even though
|> his RC/26 is higher?
|>
|> Since his PT is actually *less* than Klesko, it would still be a
|> stretch to claim Greer has more value (i.e. is more deserving of
|> ROY), IMO.

The point is really moot since they play in different leagues.  The question
is, should Hamelin or Greer get it in the AL?

John Lemek

DATUM: Last year the Astrodome boosted HR for RH hitters by 10%

 
 
 

RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Todd Rad » Wed, 10 Aug 1994 04:52:39



Quote:

>                            RC/26   Value
>Ryan Klesko, Atlanta                7.25    17.02
>Bob Hamelin, Kansas City    7.64    16.37
>Rusty Greer, Texas          7.54    16.31

>Note that Klesko has been platooning, and that Bob Hamelin is a DH.  While Greer
>plays every day in either Right or Center.

...in which case, he must have been called up after the season started.
How else to explain that his "value" is less than Klesko, even though
his RC/26 is higher?

Since his PT is actually *less* than Klesko, it would still be a
stretch to claim Greer has more value (i.e. is more deserving of
ROY), IMO.

 
 
 

RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Nelson » Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:24:21


Quote:

>The point is really moot since they play in different leagues.  The question
>is, should Hamelin or Greer get it in the AL?

I would give it to Hamelin at this point, but it is very close.

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by unkno » Wed, 10 Aug 1994 21:58:26

Quote:



>>The point is really moot since they play in different leagues.  The question
>>is, should Hamelin or Greer get it in the AL?

>I would give it to Hamelin at this point, but it is very close.

ithout trying to be mean, but may I ask why?  As far as I can tell
1)  They've performed at about the same level
2)  Their net value offensively is about the same, indicating
        comparable playing time at the same rate, and
3)  Greer is an outfielder and has some defensive value (maybe).

#3 is the difference I see between them.

paul

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Nelson » Thu, 11 Aug 1994 03:08:25


Quote:




>>>The point is really moot since they play in different leagues.  The question
>>>is, should Hamelin or Greer get it in the AL?

>>I would give it to Hamelin at this point, but it is very close.
>ithout trying to be mean, but may I ask why?  As far as I can tell
>1)  They've performed at about the same level

True (offensively).

Quote:
>2)  Their net value offensively is about the same, indicating
>    comparable playing time at the same rate, and

Depending on how you use the term "net value offensively."  I use it in a
way that the positional consideration is already built in, in which case, yes,
they are very close, but they haven't had the same playing time -- Hamelin has
had quite a bit more.

Quote:
>3)  Greer is an outfielder and has some defensive value (maybe).

The positional consideration has already been accounted for.  It's hard to
say what Greer's defense is like compared to other outfielders -- I've only
seen him a couple times, and I can't make a good judgement on him.

Offensively, with the positional consideration built-in, Hamelin has a slight
edge; defense may put Greer ahead, or, in the case that he is a below average
fielder, put him behind.

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Nelson » Thu, 11 Aug 1994 13:16:41



Quote:

>|> Depending on how you use the term "net value offensively."  I use it in a
>|> way that the positional consideration is already built in, in which case, yes,
>|> they are very close, but they haven't had the same playing time -- Hamelin has
>|> had quite a bit more.
>|>

>But only because he started the year in the majors while Greer didn't.  Its not
>as though either were injured or benched.  In fact, Greer, a left-hander has been
>allowed to hit against left handed pitching almost since he was called up,

I consider these things somewhat irrelevant, since, for whatever reason there
may be, Greer was not in the majors to start this season, and thus didn't
contribute earlier on, while Hamelin did.

In fact, as time wears on, remember the possibility that Greer's stats will
drop.  The extra time will not necessarily add to his overall value.

Quote:
>against right handers.  Since he is capable of playing center I would assume he
>is an above average Right fielder.  How does he compare against other
>Centerfielders?

I wouldn't say that playing CF necessarily makes him an above average RF
(cf. Kirk Gibson).
Quote:
>|> Offensively, with the positional consideration built-in, Hamelin has a slight
>|> edge; defense may put Greer ahead, or, in the case that he is a below average
>|> fielder, put him behind.
>|>

>Is SB's factored in?  I don't think it would make a difference if it was, but I
>have to ask.

SBs are factored in already.

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RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Sarcasm Is A Way Of Lif » Fri, 12 Aug 1994 02:38:32


Quote:
>With all this discussion about the best rookies this season, if the strike does
>last past the scheduled post season dates, will the sports writers vote for
>ROY, MVP, CY, etc...?  Or will they just forget about and place the ***?

The BBWAA have decided that they will vote for the awards as usual; the
strike will have no effect.

Greg

 
 
 

RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Kenny Ch » Fri, 12 Aug 1994 01:54:29

With all this discussion about the best rookies this season, if the strike does
last past the scheduled post season dates, will the sports writers vote for
ROY, MVP, CY, etc...?  Or will they just forget about and place the ***?

How about early lines for next year's ROYs, Russ Davis, Albie Lopez, Julian
Taverez, Alex Rodriquez, Alex Gonzales?

 
 
 

RC/26 for RFs (7/31)

Post by Nelson » Fri, 12 Aug 1994 13:43:42


Quote:

>With all this discussion about the best rookies this season, if the strike does
>last past the scheduled post season dates, will the sports writers vote for
>ROY, MVP, CY, etc...?  Or will they just forget about and place the ***?

They have voted that they will have those awards even if the rest of the season
is wiped out by the strike.

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