All-Time Yankees

All-Time Yankees

Post by Dvd Avin » Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:22:15


I think I've done this before, but now I've done it again. This is based
only on performance with the Yankees. It takes no account of the game
being played at a higher level in more recent times. I may well do other
teams later today.

  C  Yogi Berra*
1B  Lou Gehrig*
2B  Tony Lazzeri
3B  Graig Nettles*
SS  Derek Jeter
LF  Mickey Mantle#
CF  Joe DiMaggio
RF  Babe Ruth*
DH  Charlie Keller*

  C  Bill***ey*
  C  Thurman Munson
1B  Don Mattingly*
IF  Willie Randolph
SS  Phil Rizzuto
OF  Bernie Williams#

SP  Whitey Ford*
SP  Red Ruffing
SP  Lefty Gomez*
SP  Ron Guidry*
SP  Bob Shawkey

RP  Mariano Rivera
RP  Rich Gossage
RP  Sparky Lyle*
Sw  Spud Chandler
Sw  Dave Righetti*

Three catchers largely because we need Munson's right-handed bat on the
bench. Rizzuto beats Stottlemyre (and Gordon) for the 25th spot because
Jeter needs a late-inning defensive replacement.

I'm amazed by some of the players who *don't* make the team. On how many
all-time teams would Posada and Howard not be in top 3 catchers? And
there are so many good OFers, it's silly. White, Combs, Henrich,
Winfield, Jackson, etc.

I hate the DH, but by now it seems appropriate to include one for AL
teams. And it's a nice to have a place for the under-appreciated Keller.

A think Ruth and Mantle would switch back and forth, just as Ruth and
Meusel did in real life. When the opposing lineup is mostly lefties,
Mantle moves to RF. Or should it be Mantle in CF and DiMaggio in a corner?

--
Any time you get members of a government preaching out -against
government-, it's a sure bet they're looking to replace it with whatever
ELSE they own. -- Skyler Bode

 
 
 

All-Time Yankees

Post by willreich.. » Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:20:25

Quote:

> I think I've done this before, but now I've done it again. This is based
> only on performance with the Yankees. It takes no account of the game
> being played at a higher level in more recent times. I may well do other
> teams later today.

>   C  Yogi Berra*
> 1B  Lou Gehrig*
> 2B  Tony Lazzeri
> 3B  Graig Nettles*
> SS  Derek Jeter
> LF  Mickey Mantle#
> CF  Joe DiMaggio
> RF  Babe Ruth*
> DH  Charlie Keller*

>   C  Bill***ey*
>   C  Thurman Munson
> 1B  Don Mattingly*
> IF  Willie Randolph
> SS  Phil Rizzuto
> OF  Bernie Williams#

> SP  Whitey Ford*
> SP  Red Ruffing
> SP  Lefty Gomez*
> SP  Ron Guidry*
> SP  Bob Shawkey

> RP  Mariano Rivera
> RP  Rich Gossage
> RP  Sparky Lyle*
> Sw  Spud Chandler
> Sw  Dave Righetti*

> Three catchers largely because we need Munson's right-handed bat on the
> bench. Rizzuto beats Stottlemyre (and Gordon) for the 25th spot because
> Jeter needs a late-inning defensive replacement.

Gordon should start ahead of Lazerri.

Quote:

> I'm amazed by some of the players who *don't* make the team. On how many
> all-time teams would Posada and Howard not be in top 3 catchers? And
> there are so many good OFers, it's silly. White, Combs, Henrich,
> Winfield, Jackson, etc.

> I hate the DH, but by now it seems appropriate to include one for AL
> teams. And it's a nice to have a place for the under-appreciated Keller.

Not enough reason.

Quote:

> A think Ruth and Mantle would switch back and forth, just as Ruth and
> Meusel did in real life. When the opposing lineup is mostly lefties,
> Mantle moves to RF. Or should it be Mantle in CF and DiMaggio in a corner?

Just watch where they put that drain this time, ok?

Will in New Haven

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> Any time you get members of a government preaching out -against
> government-, it's a sure bet they're looking to replace it with whatever
> ELSE they own. -- Skyler Bode


 
 
 

All-Time Yankees

Post by Dvd Avin » Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:42:36

<snip>

Quote:
>>  C  Yogi Berra*
>>1B  Lou Gehrig*
>>2B  Tony Lazzeri
>>3B  Graig Nettles*
>>SS  Derek Jeter
>>LF  Mickey Mantle#
>>CF  Joe DiMaggio
>>RF  Babe Ruth*
>>DH  Charlie Keller*

>>  C  Bill***ey*
>>  C  Thurman Munson
>>1B  Don Mattingly*
>>IF  Willie Randolph
>>SS  Phil Rizzuto
>>OF  Bernie Williams#

<snip>

Quote:
> Gordon should start ahead of Lazerri.

Why? Lazzeri played a _lot_ more for New York, with the same OPS+. I
don't remember ever hearing that Lazzeri was a problem in the field, why
wouldn't you want him?

--
Any time you get members of a government preaching out -against
government-, it's a sure bet they're looking to replace it with whatever
ELSE they own. -- Skyler Bode

 
 
 

All-Time Yankees

Post by willreich.. » Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:15:59

Quote:


> <snip>

> >>  C  Yogi Berra*
> >>1B  Lou Gehrig*
> >>2B  Tony Lazzeri
> >>3B  Graig Nettles*
> >>SS  Derek Jeter
> >>LF  Mickey Mantle#
> >>CF  Joe DiMaggio
> >>RF  Babe Ruth*
> >>DH  Charlie Keller*

> >>  C  Bill***ey*
> >>  C  Thurman Munson
> >>1B  Don Mattingly*
> >>IF  Willie Randolph
> >>SS  Phil Rizzuto
> >>OF  Bernie Williams#

> <snip>

> > Gordon should start ahead of Lazerri.

> Why? Lazzeri played a _lot_ more for New York, with the same OPS+. I
> don't remember ever hearing that Lazzeri was a problem in the field, why
> wouldn't you want him?

When Lazzeri was not yet old in baseball terms, Gordon took his job
from him. The manager must have seen SOMETHING and the manager was Joe
McCarthy. I might say that I will take his judgement over my own when
all I can do is read the numbers.

It might also be that I am allowing myself to be influenced by the few
years Gordon had in Cleveland. That should not impact a list like yours
but it sure is unfortunate that he didn't play enough in Cleveland to
be mentioned on either team. I think Gordon was a better player than
Rizzuto but I don't claim that he could play ShortStop, so the choice
of the Scooter as an infield reserve is obviously correct.

Will in New Haven

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Quote:

> --
> Any time you get members of a government preaching out -against
> government-, it's a sure bet they're looking to replace it with whatever
> ELSE they own. -- Skyler Bode