Mets: Worst Team Money Can Buy

Mets: Worst Team Money Can Buy

Post by 25436-vaug » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 00:58:44


I've never seen anything like it.  An incredibly punchless team.

Can't blame the front office: who would've thought that adding
Bonilla, Murray and Randolph would result in the team with the
lowest team batting average in the majors?

The only suspense game-to-game is: how exactly will they fail
to score runners in scoring position this time?

I understand last year's massive underachieving; with Cashen as
GM, Harrelson as manager and Type Z personalities like McReynolds,
Jefferies and Viola around it was fairly predictable.
But this year?  

Unbelievable.

Dick V.

 
 
 

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Post by Edward [Ted] Fisch » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 04:51:22

Quote:

>I've never seen anything like it.  An incredibly punchless team.

>Can't blame the front office: who would've thought that adding
>Bonilla, Murray and Randolph would result in the team with the
>lowest team batting average in the majors?

I said lots of contradictory things about the Mets in the off-season.
But I was never *that* impressed about the Murray/Randolph signings.
Or the Mets offense in general.

Murray didn't produce much last year.  At his age, why would anybody
expect him to help the team significantly this year?  And predictably,
he has a .755 OPS.  (Last year he had a ~.725 OPS.)  Not bad, but the
Mets severly overpaid for him.

Bonilla isn't running the ~.900 OPS that he ran last year.  But then,
he just moved to one of the worst offensive parks in the league.  You
can't complain *too* much about his .800+ performance.

Randolph had an excellent year last year.  But at his age, did you
really want to bet on him?

Meanwhile, Magadan and Coleman are doing better than I expected.  The *real*
culprits are:

Hundley/O'Brien
A .600 OPS is miserable even for a catcher!

Schofield/Elster
Also weak.

and....
Howard Johnson.  A sub-.700 OPS.

To quote Amit Likhyani from April:
"I will streak *** down Forbes avenue if HoJo does not muster more
than a .792 OPS."

All I can say to that is "Start your cam-corders!"

Cheers,
-Valentine
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Post by Joe Baldi » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 06:19:56

The Mets will win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Give them a chance. They stil have 82
games to go, then you can start complaining. Their division sucks as do all
your opinions on the N.Y. METS! In the end this team will show you why they
are the highest paid.

DEFINITELY

J.B.

 
 
 

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Post by Terence Pa » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 06:27:35


Quote:
>The Mets will win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Give them a chance. They stil have 82
>games to go, then you can start complaining. Their division sucks as do all
>your opinions on the N.Y. METS! In the end this team will show you why they
>are the highest paid.
>DEFINITELY
>J.B.

 Well, here is the classic "I love my team and I am blind to how bad they are"
syndrome.  It's not so bad when these guys pledge their loyalty to a lousy team,
but the least they can do is be realistic.  The Mets winning the pennant this
year is about as likely as Jerry Brown in the White House.

T
Dodgers Fan

 
 
 

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Post by Joe Baldi » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 07:03:18

DEAR T;

Well I can understand why you feel this way since you are a Dodger fan.
Well at least my team has a chance.

J.B.

 
 
 

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Post by Donald P Boe » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 08:08:12

The Mets have made the same mistake the Giants did two years ago (getting
Black, Righetti and McGee) and the Dodgers made this year (Davis).  You
can't buy a pennant unless you are very lucky.
 
 
 

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Post by Nelson » Thu, 09 Jul 1992 03:18:20


Quote:
>The Mets have made the same mistake the Giants did two years ago (getting
>Black, Righetti and McGee) and the Dodgers made this year (Davis).  You
>can't buy a pennant unless you are very lucky.

Davis was not signed as a free agent; he was acquired in a trade.  However,
are you somehow saying that signing people as free agents are usually mistakes?
They usually don't make you pennant winners, but they usually improve the
team, unless you are making really stupid signings such as signing Kevin Gross
and Eric Show.

In the Mets case, Murray didn't fit the team's needs, and Randolph was not
really needed.  But do you really want to say that a signing is a good one
*only* if a team wins the pennant, and all other free agent signings are bad
ones?  Texas signed Nolan Ryan as a free agent, and has yet to win a pennant.
Does that make the Ryan signing a bad one?

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Post by Matt Tell » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 23:20:12

Quote:

> Well, here is the classic "I love my team and I am blind to how bad they are"
>syndrome.  It's not so bad when these guys pledge their loyalty to a lousy team,
>but the least they can do is be realistic.  The Mets winning the pennant this
>year is about as likely as Jerry Brown in the White House.

Hmm.  Guess I better get out the "Moonbeam shorts".  Lessee here, the Mets
a) aren't hitting
b) aren't pitching
c) aren't fielding

and they are 6 games back (and moving up).  Saberhagen will be back after the
all-star break as will Franco.  HoJo is almost guaranteed to start hitting as
will Bonilla (the law of averages *has* to work in your favor sooner or later).

The pitching staff:

Cone : excellent stuff.
Fernandez : has good stuff, no run support
Schourek : this guy could be the best pitcher in baseball if his team ever
    scored a run for him...
Gooden : for a man that shouldn't have been pitching yet I think he's doing
    fairly well
Saberhagen : it's always tough to say what someone will do after an injury,
    but I think he will carry on.

The Metsies will probably trade for a middle-reliever and very possibly for a
Coleman-like speedster (with a better on-base percentage).  Watch for some small
trades (or possibly bringing up a few prospects) right after the all-star break.

matt
(putting on his Moonbeam Shorts(tm))

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Post by Roger Lust » Thu, 09 Jul 1992 05:12:06

Quote:


>> Well, here is the classic "I love my team and I am blind to how bad they are"
>>syndrome.  It's not so bad when these guys pledge their loyalty to a lousy team,
>>but the least they can do is be realistic.  The Mets winning the pennant this
>>year is about as likely as Jerry Brown in the White House.
>Hmm.  Guess I better get out the "Moonbeam shorts".  Lessee here, the Mets
>a) aren't hitting
>b) aren't pitching
>c) aren't fielding

Actually, only a).  The fielding isn't great, but it's not bad either.
And the pitching is just fine.  We can see this by the fact that they
win ANY games with their 2-run offense.

Quote:
>and they are 6 games back (and moving up).  Saberhagen will be back after the
>all-star break as will Franco.  HoJo is almost guaranteed to start hitting as
>will Bonilla (the law of averages *has* to work in your favor sooner or later).

Bonilla doesn't seem to be hitting all that badly *now.*  

Quote:
>The pitching staff:
>Cone : excellent stuff.
>Fernandez : has good stuff, no run support
>Schourek : this guy could be the best pitcher in baseball if his team ever
>    scored a run for him...
>Gooden : for a man that shouldn't have been pitching yet I think he's doing
>    fairly well
>Saberhagen : it's always tough to say what someone will do after an injury,
>    but I think he will carry on.
>The Metsies will probably trade for a middle-reliever and very possibly for a
>Coleman-like speedster (with a better on-base percentage).  Watch for some small
>trades (or possibly bringing up a few prospects) right after the all-star break.

Even if they don't, I think they can play a bit better.  Now, if Hundley
would only hit a bit better, and show that he's not all "potential."

Roger

 
 
 

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Post by <AL.. » Wed, 08 Jul 1992 20:25:07

The Mets are a team that is poorly put together. Al Harazin and others in th

front office signed Bonilla, Murray, Saberhagen etc. as if they were a
championship team acquiring the missing piece when what they really should
have done is break the team and concentrate on developing their farm talent
and spend the next few years developing themselves into a championship team,
which is what they did in the early 80's.
As it stands now they have people playing out of position and unless they
make changes, they will be mediocre for the next few years. Signing Bonilla
and Murray was an attempt to patch up a team that has been on the decline
since the late 80's. Murray-Johnson-Bonilla are not the best 3-4-5 tandem
in the league. Pirate fans could tell you all about Bonilla, and Murray has
his best years behind him. Howard Johnson can hit but he couldn't even field
at 3b, and now he is expected to play cf.Put all the names together(Magadan,
Pecota, Schofeild, Randolph, etc. and ask yourself "Is this team going
anywhere?" As for next year, when the Reds and Braves are in the division?
Forget it...
IMO, they should concede the next few years to the Braves and Reds, unload
the high-priced players and rebuild. In a N.Y. market that expects a winner it
is hard to do, but Met fans have been through it before and if they can either
sacrifice 3-5 years now, or spend the next 10 years signing free agents in
a vain attempt for a winner...Other teams have tried this and mortgaged their
future for a "quick fix" and ended up setting themselves back even further...

Al

 
 
 

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Post by Packman, Aaron » Thu, 09 Jul 1992 18:03:00


Quote:
>The Mets have made the same mistake the Giants did two years ago (getting
>Black, Righetti and McGee) and the Dodgers made this year (Davis).  You
>can't buy a pennant unless you are very lucky.

A small point needs to be made here:  the Dodgers didn't "buy" Eric Davis,
they traded for him fair and square.

Aaron Packman

 
 
 

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Post by Matt Tell » Fri, 10 Jul 1992 00:01:49

Quote:


>>Hmm.  Guess I better get out the "Moonbeam shorts".  Lessee here, the Mets
>>a) aren't hitting
>>b) aren't pitching
>>c) aren't fielding

>Actually, only a).  The fielding isn't great, but it's not bad either.
>And the pitching is just fine.  We can see this by the fact that they
>win ANY games with their 2-run offense.

True.  I was mostly putting forth the opinions of the Met-bashers on the net
recently.  Fielding has been decent, pitching quite good recently.

Quote:
>>and they are 6 games back (and moving up).  Saberhagen will be back after the
>>all-star break as will Franco.  HoJo is almost guaranteed to start hitting as
>>will Bonilla (the law of averages *has* to work in your favor sooner or later).

>Bonilla doesn't seem to be hitting all that badly *now.*  

No he isn't.  I hadn't realized how well he was doing until I got to watch a TBS
broadcast this week.  Mostly I was thinking of his numbers at Shea.  mea culpa.

Quote:

>>The Metsies will probably trade for a middle-reliever and very possibly for a
>>Coleman-like speedster (with a better on-base percentage).  Watch for some small
>>trades (or possibly bringing up a few prospects) right after the all-star break.

>Even if they don't, I think they can play a bit better.  Now, if Hundley
>would only hit a bit better, and show that he's not all "potential."

Actually, if Magadan, HoJo, Bonilla and Murray are hitting, they can afford the
offensive liabilities of Schofield and Hundley.  Randolph is OK although nothing
like his heyday.  I'll keep Coleman/Boston in LF ..

Matt

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Post by Sean Swe » Fri, 10 Jul 1992 04:54:38

Quote:

>The Mets are a team that is poorly put together. Al Harazin and others in th

>front office signed Bonilla, Murray, Saberhagen etc. as if they were a
>championship team acquiring the missing piece when what they really should
>have done is break the team and concentrate on developing their farm talent
>and spend the next few years developing themselves into a championship team,
>which is what they did in the early 80's.
>As it stands now they have people playing out of position and unless they
>make changes, they will be mediocre for the next few years. Signing Bonilla
>and Murray was an attempt to patch up a team that has been on the decline
>since the late 80's. Murray-Johnson-Bonilla are not the best 3-4-5 tandem
>in the league. Pirate fans could tell you all about Bonilla, and Murray has
>his best years behind him. Howard Johnson can hit but he couldn't even field
>at 3b, and now he is expected to play cf.Put all the names together(Magadan,
>Pecota, Schofeild, Randolph, etc. and ask yourself "Is this team going
>anywhere?" As for next year, when the Reds and Braves are in the division?
>Forget it...
>IMO, they should concede the next few years to the Braves and Reds, unload
>the high-priced players and rebuild. In a N.Y. market that expects a winner it
>is hard to do, but Met fans have been through it before and if they can either
>sacrifice 3-5 years now, or spend the next 10 years signing free agents in
>a vain attempt for a winner...Other teams have tried this and mortgaged their
>future for a "quick fix" and ended up setting themselves back even further...

>Al

First of all, Doubleday owns the Mets, so they can sign free-agents until
the cows come home and it won't make a difference.  The question is "When
does signing a free-agent hurt your team?"  Now there are two answers to
this: 1) when you are stupid and sign a player who doesn't help the team
ala Gary Gaetti; or 2) the player you sign is keeping a younger, more
talented player out of the linup (Braves fans on the net are very familiar
with this, as I assume most would like to see Justice at first, Keith
Mitchell in the outfield, and Sid Bream history).

Now, you just said the Mets have no players in the farm system who are
capapble of stepping in and becoming good MLB ballplayers, so how are they
hurting the team by filling holes with the likes of Randolph and Murray.
Granted neither are all that great, but Murray at first, Magadan at third,
and HoJo in center is better offensively than HoJo at third, Magadan at
first and Hubie Brooks in right.

As for mortgaging the future, the only young player they dumped in the
off-season was Jefferies, who IMHO still has star potential.  Keith Miller
is 27-28 and McReynolds is on his last legs, and they got a 2-time
Cy_Young award winner who is 27-28 as well.  Not a bad trade, especially
when viewed against the trades that REALLY hurt this team.  Namely
Tapani-Aguilera-et al for Viola and (this one really hurts) Dykstra and
McDowell for Juan Samuel (ugh!).

Sean

 
 
 

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Post by D. Scott Kitchen (CC » Fri, 10 Jul 1992 00:55:49

(Mets ranting deleted)

Quote:

> Well, here is the classic "I love my team and I am blind to how bad they
>are" syndrome.  It's not so bad when these guys pledge their loyalty to a
>lousy team, but the least they can do is be realistic.  The Mets winning
>the pennant this year is about as likely as Jerry Brown in the White House.

>T
>Dodgers Fan

Well, first of all, T, I agree with you on how badly the other guy was
blathering, but I think you're off on your prediction about the Mets not
being able to win a pennant this year.  Maybe my own eyes are a little
blinded (yes, I'm a Mets fan, too), but hear me out a little...

1) 6 games back can easily be made up.  Seems to me I remember a
much-maligned Yankees team from 1978 that was 14 games or so back and came
back to win not only a pennant, but the World Series as well.

2) Saberhagen being out has hurt this team so much (as if no one could
tell).  When he comes off the DL and begins pitching again, the turnaround
in morale will be surprising.

3) Dead bats?  Well, yes.  Why aren't they hitting?  Who knows.  Will they
start hitting again?  IMHO yes.  They can't stay down that long.

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Post by Joe Baldi » Fri, 10 Jul 1992 06:27:23

Quote:
>The Mets have made the same mistake the Giants did two years ago (getting
>Black, Righetti and McGee) and the Dodgers made this year (Davis).  You
>can't buy a pennant unless you are very lucky.

>A small point needs to be made here:  the Dodgers didn't "buy" Eric Davis,
>they traded for him fair and square.

The only diference is that Eric Davis sucks and isn't worth what Bonilla
is.

J.B.