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Post by Jim Risi » Wed, 03 Oct 1990 02:40:06


As the season boils down to the last three games, I think that I can
accurately predict the outcome in the AL east on the basis of the first
159 games.  Two scenarios:
   1.  Boston looses 3 to the ChiSox, and Toronto is swept by Baltimore.

  2.  Boston looses 3, but the Jays win one, leaving a tie, with the tie-
breaker played in Toronto.  In a tight game, featuring at least 40 hits,
6 errors, and 4 misplayed fly balls (more if Bell's in there), some one
will win.  A key play will be Manny Lee being thrown out trying to
stretch a line drive single to left right at Greenwell into a triple.

God help the winner in Oakland!
--
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Post by Ted Fisch » Thu, 04 Oct 1990 01:06:46

Quote:

>As the season boils down to the last three games, I think that I can
>accurately predict the outcome in the AL east on the basis of the first
>159 games.  Two scenarios:
>   1.  Boston looses 3 to the ChiSox, and Toronto is swept by Baltimore.

>  2.  Boston looses 3, but the Jays win one, leaving a tie

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boston won when it counted!  Again, their tired bullpen tried to
blow the game, but Reardon (fresh off the DL :-) came in to shut
down the rally.  The magic number is down to 1!

Quote:
> God help the winner in Oakland!

Ya know, he just might!  (Oh, you mean God god, not Clemens?)
Here's to a terrific season and a great clutch finish!

Cheers,
-Valentine

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Rodw » Sat, 06 Oct 1990 02:54:18

Quote:

> ... but those fans at Fenway were seen clutching their throats as they
> made their way to the exits, following last night's 3-2 clutch win by
> the better Sox.

I was AT that game.  That was the most exciting game I've ever been to.  Sure
it was disappointing to see the Red Sox lose, but I've never seen a crowd so
fired up.  We were on our feet cheering for the Sox for the entire last
3 1/2 innings.  It was a great feeling.  I didn't hear anyone complaining
about a choke.  The White Sox are an excellent team and there was hardly any
shame in losing to them.  Baseball just doesn't get any better than the
series with the White Sox.

Quote:
>Just pray (not to Roger, either) that it's not you BoSox fans clutching your
>throats after tonight.

>It's anyone's division.

>Zippy

I agree -- it was anyone's division.  The Jays are a great team, and they were
in it 'til the end.  I don't think the Jays choked, or that the Sox could
be accusing of *** if they lost last night.

The Red Sox may not be the best team in the league, but they are really
exciting.  The return of Clemens, the return of Reardon, the series with
Toronto, Bruno's stupendous circus catches (especially the one to win the game
last night) ... this is about as exciting as it gets.  What a race it was!

I'm overjoyed that the Sox won the division, especially considering
their supposed poor prospects at the beginning of the season.  I'd love to see
them take the pennant and Series too.  If they don't, so be it.  That doesn't
spoil the joy of seeing last year's under-achieving selfish complainers turn
into a real team with humor and spirit that hustled all the way to the end.

Whatever happens, 1990 has been a happy exciting year for the Red Sox, and
I've enjoyed it immensely, as some of the other Sox fans in r.s.b. have
said they have.  There's gratification in rooting for a great team
with great players, but there's real joy in rooting for a team that stretches
its talent to the limits.

Andrew Rodwin

 
 
 

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Post by Zipp » Sun, 07 Oct 1990 01:34:52

  Ted Fischer writes:

Quote:
> This last week of the AL East is what baseball is all about, NOT the A's
> complete <yawn> *** of the AL West.

I'll bet the A's are sorry to have bored you with their 103 wins this year.

Too bad they couldn't pull another two or three wins against that awesome
Red Sox team.

Here's hoping they bash Roger senseless, again.

Zippy

 
 
 

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Post by Ted Fisch » Sun, 07 Oct 1990 07:13:05

Quote:

>Too bad they couldn't pull another two or three wins against that awesome
>Red Sox team.

Awesome?  Your word, not mine.  :-) "Wonderful", "loveable",
"spirited", maybe.  Awesome?  I reserve that word for a team with
three potential BA titles on it, the #1 basestealer, and two of the
top 3 HR threats in the league.  Not to mention the best closer, and
two of the best five starters.  (Not to argue the minor point of
whether they are #1 and #2 or #4 and #5.)

Quote:
>Here's hoping they bash Roger senseless, again.

Have they ever done it before?  This year?  Clemens has a 2.96 ERA
against them this season.  I wouldn't call it "bashing him senseless".
Stewart "bashes senseless" the Red Sox lineup, but that's something
different.

Well, we've heard your predictions, here are mine:
It would take a miracle for the Red Sox to win in 4, 5, 6, or 7 games.

Here's hoping for a miracle!
-Valentine

P.S. If the A's somehow *don't* manage to win the WS, you will
feel *very* foolish, and *many* people will enjoy flaming you. :-)

 
 
 

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Post by Zipp » Wed, 10 Oct 1990 08:29:16

  Ted Fischer writes:

Quote:

> >Too bad they couldn't pull another two or three wins against that awesome
> >Red Sox team.
> Awesome?  Your word, not mine.  :-) "Wonderful", "loveable",
> "spirited", maybe.  Awesome?  I reserve that word for a team with
> three potential BA titles on it, the #1 basestealer, and two of the
> top 3 HR threats in the league.  Not to mention the best closer, and
> two of the best five starters.  (Not to argue the minor point of
> whether they are #1 and #2 or #4 and #5.)
> >Here's hoping they bash Roger senseless, again.
> Have they ever done it before?  This year?  Clemens has a 2.96 ERA
> against them this season.  I wouldn't call it "bashing him senseless".

The last regular season meeting, Clemens was tagged for 6, and yanked
in the third inning.  That's a bashing.

Quote:
> Well, we've heard your predictions, here are mine:
> It would take a miracle for the Red Sox to win in 4, 5, 6, or 7 games.

After Sunday's game, they're looking for a big miracle.

It should be tough going, as the Coliseum is a pitcher's park.

I would have called this series an A's sweep, but LaRussa is intent on
starting Mike Moore tomorrow.  I only hope he pulls him before the fourth
inning, but it's likely that he'll pitch through the fifth, and give up
5 to 8 runs.  He's not ready, but that's only my opinion.

Quote:
> Here's hoping for a miracle!
> -Valentine
> P.S. If the A's somehow *don't* manage to win the WS, you will
> feel *very* foolish, and *many* people will enjoy flaming you. :-)

Don't try to predict my feelings.  Anyway, that's part of fanaticism.
You choose sides, stick with a team and take the consequences.
This "gracious winning" stuff is for Little League.
On the net, egos should not be taken seriously.

Btw, if the A's manage to blow this series, all flames will be welcome, as
it will become VERY COLD out here :-)

Zippy

 
 
 

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Post by tim.. » Wed, 10 Oct 1990 13:33:00

|
|  Ted Fischer writes:

|> >Here's hoping they bash Roger senseless, again.
|
|> Have they ever done it before?  This year?  Clemens has a 2.96 ERA
|> against them this season.  I wouldn't call it "bashing him senseless".
|
|The last regular season meeting, Clemens was tagged for 6, and yanked
|in the third inning.  That's a bashing.

Clemens was tagged for 4, 2 earned (but the 2 unearned runs were due to
Clemens' own error).

|> Well, we've heard your predictions, here are mine:
|> It would take a miracle for the Red Sox to win in 4, 5, 6, or 7 games.
|
|After Sunday's game, they're looking for a big miracle.
|
|It should be tough going, as the Coliseum is a pitcher's park.
|
|I would have called this series an A's sweep, but LaRussa is intent on
|starting Mike Moore tomorrow.  I only hope he pulls him before the fourth
|inning, but it's likely that he'll pitch through the fifth, and give up
|5 to 8 runs.  He's not ready, but that's only my opinion.

The Red Sox need to score early and often (before the A's bullpen comes
out) and hope for rain by the 6th (before their own bullpen comes out).

 
 
 

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Post by Ted Fisch » Wed, 10 Oct 1990 15:26:56

Quote:

>  Ted Fischer writes:

>> >Here's hoping they bash Roger senseless, again.

>> Have they ever done it before?  This year?  Clemens has a 2.96 ERA
>> against them this season.  I wouldn't call it "bashing him senseless".

>The last regular season meeting, Clemens was tagged for 6, and yanked
>in the third inning.  That's a bashing.

My apologies.  I should have excluded that outing (as he *was* rather
seriously injured) and noted that Clemens' ERA vs. Oakland was better
than his ERA vs. the rest of the league.  (So much for the mighty A's.
When faced with a real pitcher, they fall apart.  Luckily for them,
they get to pick on the Red Sox bullpen.)

Quote:
>> Well, we've heard your predictions, here are mine:
>> It would take a miracle for the Red Sox to win in 4, 5, 6, or 7 games.

>After Sunday's game, they're looking for a big miracle.

>It should be tough going, as the Coliseum is a pitcher's park.

Actually, that *might* help the Red Sox bullpen enough to keep them
afloat.  (Yeah, right!  The only thing that could improve that bullpen
is a firing squad!)  But at least the starting pitching has been good.
(Better than the A's.  No surprise there.)

Quote:
>> P.S. If the A's somehow *don't* manage to win the WS, you will
>> feel *very* foolish, and *many* people will enjoy flaming you. :-)

>Don't try to predict my feelings.  Anyway, that's part of fanaticism.
>You choose sides, stick with a team and take the consequences.
>This "gracious winning" stuff is for Little League.
>On the net, egos should not be taken seriously.

>Btw, if the A's manage to blow this series, all flames will be welcome, as
>it will become VERY COLD out here :-)

I guess given I'm just too realistic (given my team) to play the
fanatic.  Maybe when the Red Sox sign David Cone, Doug Drabek, and
Daryl Strawberry *then* I'll make equally outrageous postings. :-)

Cheers,
-Valentine

 
 
 

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Post by Profession » Thu, 11 Oct 1990 00:12:05

Quote:

> My apologies.  I should have excluded that outing (as he *was* rather
> seriously injured) and noted that Clemens' ERA vs. Oakland was better

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                Bull!!! That's one BIG excuse not to take ***.

Quote:
> than his ERA vs. the rest of the league.  (So much for the mighty A's.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                Tell him to pitch the same number of innings he pitches to the
smallies. A's will show him nothing less than STARS.

By the way are you not watching the series. Clemens could have got CLOBBERED
but not for the great fielding that took him out of BIG jams.

Quote:
> When faced with a real pitcher, they fall apart.  Luckily for them,
> they get to pick on the Red Sox bullpen.)

        Then what about other teams! Aren't they no where near the MIGHTY A's.

Quote:
> Actually, that *might* help the Red Sox bullpen enough to keep them
> afloat.  (Yeah, right!  The only thing that could improve that bullpen
> is a firing squad!)  But at least the starting pitching has been good.
> (Better than the A's.  No surprise there.)

Are you day dreaming??? Who pitched well?? Stewart or Clemens? Welch or
Kiecker?

By the way. What does Clemens think of himself. When all the players are
coming onto the field during the introduction ceremony, he is warming up!
Anyway, that warm up isn't WORTH anything.

Anyway,I can understand your feelings. You are getting THRASHED right!! You
can't take it.

Quote:

> >Btw, if the A's manage to blow this series, all flames will be welcome, as

        ^^^^^^^^
        Why IF???? It is and will be a fact.

Quote:

> I guess given I'm just too realistic (given my team) to play the
> fanatic.  Maybe when the Red Sox sign David Cone, Doug Drabek, and
> Daryl Strawberry *then* I'll make equally outrageous postings. :-)

        You will never be able to. Because those guys will never sign up
with a loser!!!!

        Looking ahead for comments from Clemens and the Soxi fans after the
series how the Bullpen blew it.

 
 
 

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Post by Asya Kams » Thu, 11 Oct 1990 03:18:57

Quote:

>By the way. What does Clemens think of himself. When all the players are
>coming onto the field during the introduction ceremony, he is warming up!
>Anyway, that warm up isn't WORTH anything.

What kind of moronic remark is that?
The pitchers are always warming up during the introductions.

Quote:
>> >Btw, if the A's manage to blow this series, all flames will be welcome, as
>    ^^^^^^^^
>    Why IF???? It is and will be a fact.

Read that again, you are implying that it's a fact that the A's will
blow this series (i.e. the Red Sox will win). If that's a fact then
you ought to be feeling really silly now.
--
"She's making movies on location she don't know what it means"


(415)486-7433                   other:  Lawrence Berkeley Labs, 50/232

 
 
 

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Post by Ted Fisch » Thu, 11 Oct 1990 02:12:22

Quote:


>            Tell him to pitch the same number of innings he pitches to the
>smallies. A's will show him nothing less than STARS.

I'm sure they would.  Still, even the A's are vulnerable to good
pitching (see Hershiser :-).

Quote:
>By the way are you not watching the series. Clemens could have got CLOBBERED
>but not for the great fielding that took him out of BIG jams.

And in at least one of those cases, he would never have been *in*
the jam if it hadn't been for poor fielding by Quintana.  Things
tend to balance out.

Quote:
>> Actually, that *might* help the Red Sox bullpen enough to keep them
>> afloat.  (Yeah, right!  The only thing that could improve that bullpen
>> is a firing squad!)  But at least the starting pitching has been good.
>> (Better than the A's.  No surprise there.)

>Are you day dreaming??? Who pitched well?? Stewart or Clemens? Welch or
>Kiecker?

All of them did.  Just Stewart and Welch are capable of pitching more
innings than Clemens (right now) and Kiecker.  Stewart allowed only
four hits.  And it's not to be held against him that the famed
slugger, Wade Boggs, was able to lift that pitch half-way up the
screen.  :-) Welch pitched slightly better than usual.  I believe it
totalled 9 baserunners in 7 1/3 innings.  1 ER.  Good, but not great.
If Clemens were in top shape, the series might be even right now.  But
he's not, and LaRussa's strategy worked.  (LaRussa realized that the
A's didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of beating Clemens, so he
told the team to take lots of pitches, knowing that Clemens had a
pitch limit of ~100.  It worked, he got to the bullpen, and let nature
take its course after that.)

Quote:
>By the way. What does Clemens think of himself. When all the players are
>coming onto the field during the introduction ceremony, he is warming up!
>Anyway, that warm up isn't WORTH anything.

I don't know, but Stewart was doing the same thing, and Stewart is one
of the classier guys in baseball.  (Except for his "jock" comment, and
he got severely thrashed by the White Sox for that one.)

Quote:
>Anyway,I can understand your feelings. You are getting THRASHED right!! You
>can't take it.

Actually, the series has gone exactly as I expected.  Good pitching by
the starters, followed by fireworks in the eighth.  Why should I be
upset?  The Red Sox just don't have a good (deep) enough team to win
this series.

Quote:
>> I guess given I'm just too realistic (given my team) to play the
>> fanatic.  Maybe when the Red Sox sign David Cone, Doug Drabek, and
>> Daryl Strawberry *then* I'll make equally outrageous postings. :-)

>    You will never be able to. Because those guys will never sign up
>with a loser!!!!

I don't know about that.  The one thing that *this* Red Sox team has
shown me is that they want to win.  I like that, and I haven't seen it
before.  If they had this type of spirit with the talent that they had
in '86 or '75, Oakland would be packing their bags right now.  Now if
only they can keep the spirit until the talent returns.....

Cheers,
-Valentine

 
 
 

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Post by Marc Sabatel » Fri, 12 Oct 1990 00:14:58

Quote:
>>> >Here's hoping they bash Roger senseless, again.

>>> Have they ever done it before?  This year?  Clemens has a 2.96 ERA
>>> against them this season.  I wouldn't call it "bashing him senseless".

>>The last regular season meeting, Clemens was tagged for 6, and yanked
>>in the third inning.  That's a bashing.

>My apologies.  I should have excluded that outing (as he *was* rather
>seriously injured) and noted that Clemens' ERA vs. Oakland was better
>than his ERA vs. the rest of the league.  (So much for the mighty A's.
>When faced with a real pitcher, they fall apart.  Luckily for them,
>they get to pick on the Red Sox bullpen.)

The second Stewart-Clemens game also did not go well for the Rocket.  He looked
unhittable for around 6 innings, then got tagged for a few runs (including a
dinger) and was yanked - the relief pitcher du jour than came in and made sure
the Red Sox would not be able to come back, thus insuring the "L" for Clemens.
I think Roger was retrospectively injured for that game as well.

At least that's the way I remember it.  Clemens other two games, of course, he
allowed 1 and 0 runs over I think the full nine innings each time.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
A's three-peat!

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Schmi » Thu, 11 Oct 1990 06:09:02

| The last regular season meeting [between Boston and Oakland],
| Clemens was tagged for 6, and yanked in the third inning.  That's a
| bashing.

No, that's not true.

He allowed two earned runs (and two unearned runs), and left in the
sixth.  And he as pitching injured at the time.

 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Rodw » Tue, 23 Oct 1990 06:54:56

Quote:

>  Ted Fischer writes:
>> P.S. If the A's somehow *don't* manage to win the WS, you will
>> feel *very* foolish, and *many* people will enjoy flaming you. :-)

>Don't try to predict my feelings.  Anyway, that's part of fanaticism.

You confuse fanaticism with obnoxiousness.

Quote:
>You choose sides, stick with a team and take the consequences.

Your time has come.

Quote:
>This "gracious winning" stuff is for Little League.

Sure.  *Real* fans ridicule their "opponents" from a comfortable spot on the
sofa.

Quote:
>On the net, egos should not be taken seriously.

Good advice.  Too bad it's such good advice.

Quote:
>Btw, if the A's manage to blow this series, all flames will be welcome, as
>it will become VERY COLD out here :-)

>Zippy

You've made many predictions.  Here's mine.  Rather than eating crow, you'll
try to slip out of the corner you've painted yourself into by taking a few
shots at the Red Sox, or *** some other dead horse.

Andrew Rodwin

 
 
 

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Post by Gar » Tue, 23 Oct 1990 11:30:05

First, the Red stole the A's theme (well, it's not really their theme,
but MC Hammer had them in mind -- see the video) and now the WS!  Shesh,
somethings not right....

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