NCAA Reform Ideas

NCAA Reform Ideas

Post by Eugene Schwartzm » Fri, 16 Mar 1990 15:06:55


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>>NCAA should pay its players a fair salary...

        NO!

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>I disagree.  The function the NCAA (or its member insititutions) should perform
>for society is

>    INPUT:  Sludge-brained freshmen, who can or cannot play basketball.
>    OUTPUT: Citizens who can think, and maybe play basketball.

        100% Correct....

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>The NCAA is doing fine by the majority of students.  But for the ones who are
>scholarship athletes, there is a different environment.  Not only are they
>supposed to hold down 40-hour per week jobs (as varsity athletes), but they
>are expected to conform to academic standards as well.  

        So?! BIIIIIIIGGGGGG DEEEAAAAALLLLLL!! Only 40 hours a week, and they
        can't pass Tidly Winks 101?  And they should get priveledges like
        full scholarship?!
        I realize all of the pressure they are under due to playing a *GAME*,
        but some of us have to work for a living.  I for one, last semester,
        worked 50 - 60 hours per week and carried 12 credits of *SENIOR* level
        Comp.Sci courses and did pretty damn well.  Now, I am not saying that
        working like that is for everybody, but working 30 hours a week,
        carrying 12 credits and to be expected to get a C+/B- average in those
        classes is not out of the reality.  I will even go as far as to say
        that they don't have to be Comp.Sci or Engineering courses :-)

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>I know what my academic load is here at Illinois; I don't see how anyone could
>play basketball full time and be a student.  So there is the army of tutors,
>the pressure on instructors to favor athletes, and the natural tendency of the
>athlete to forego academics in favor of bb.

        True, but consider the fact that a lot of these athletes major in
        Phys Ed or Undergraduate Studies and all of a sudden their 'load'
        isn't so bad, is it?

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>So let's remove the time constraints.  Not only should an athlete get as many
>semesters as he needs to graduate, but he shouldn't have to go full time.  He
>shouldn't have to go to class at all --- until he wants his degree.  

        Let's see...ever hear of minor leagues in baseball?  Something like that
        can be established for football and basketball too, then the
        'student/athlete' can take all his life to graduate and not take up
        the money of deserving students.  BTW, seriously, has any college
        ever get nailed for recruiting violations in *BASEBALL*?

gene schwartzman

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NCAA Reform Ideas

Post by What`s in a nam » Mon, 19 Mar 1990 03:11:34

Quote:


>>I disagree.  The function the NCAA (or its member insititutions) should perform
>>for society is

>>    INPUT:  Sludge-brained freshmen, who can or cannot play basketball.
>>    OUTPUT: Citizens who can think, and maybe play basketball.

>    100% Correct....

        Agreed.  

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>> [toughness of maintaining realistic college goals and athletics detailed]

>    So?! BIIIIIIIGGGGGG DEEEAAAAALLLLLL!! Only 40 hours a week, and they
>    can't pass Tidly Winks 101?  And they should get priveledges like
>    full scholarship?!

Well, personally I think that Tiddly Winks 101 and most of the other filler
courses should be non-credit.  Colleges and Universities are for educating
in the classical sense of the word.  Currently they are being used as
post-high-schools.  Much of college is just to give people what they should
have gotten in High school.  College should be for scholars, I'm sick of
being in classes where students look at you funny for being interested in
the subject or asking questions of the professor.  They treat this as an
overgrown high-school, rather than an opportunity to pick the brains of some
of the finest minds in one's field... (And I'm at a reasonably prestigious
university, Bah! Humbug!) This is getting off basketball and sports in
general, but:

College should be tougher to begin with.  Yes, many of us take the tough
courses, go into graduate courses later and take advantage of the
opportunities we have, but I thought that college was designed for people
like me, with some intellectual curiosity.  I think it's designed for the
lemmings who feel they must get a degree to be worth anything in the real
world.  Make academic requirements what they should be, and athletes who
aren't exceptional students *won't* be able to graduate in four years,
unless athletics are deemphasized a great deal.  

Further, provide a minor league environment for basketball and football.
Does everyone who plays professional hoops need a college degree?  If we
could guarantee people a real high school education, and take away the
stigma about people needing a college degree to be employable (The degree is
worth as much as the student, I don't care where they went to school...
Lemmings graduate with worthless degrees, students graduate with reasonable
ones), then suddenly we aren't cheating people of something basic to life by
not admitting them to college.  Let the athletes who consider school more
important come to school, and get big athletic scholarships, stipends,
whatever they need, *IF* they are as academically qualified as the next
person.  Those athletes that could care less about college except as their
ticket to the pros or a job just in case, can go to the minors...

Gene's right in saying that we have an experiment running right now.  When
was the last time you saw a big hubbub about baseball recruiting?

                                                        --mike

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