Laker Quotes 10/11/00 Volume 1 Issue 146

Laker Quotes 10/11/00 Volume 1 Issue 146

Post by Garret Okamo » Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:00:00


No quote of the day today, but the series of quotes
related to Rider's first time late to practice is
interesting. Jackson made it clear that he won't cut
Rider any slack and will reveal any false step of his
to the press...if Rider isn't careful he could end up
as Jackson's designated "*** boy" in the media.
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Jackson said that he plans to distribute the minutes
fairly evenly tonight. The Lakers brought 18 players,
so some won't play. Horry is supposed to get some early
playing time at SF.

Interesting report about the scrimmages:
"The No. 3 team (Cory Hightower, Mark Madsen, Stanislav
Medvedenko, Andy Panko and Shawn Respert) again had its
way with the more proven Lakers in Tuesday scrimmages.
The No. 2 team (Greg Foster, Devean George, Tyronn Lue,
Robert Horry, Rider and Brian Shaw) has been ineffective
most of camp." (OCR)
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About how he'll play Shaq and Kobe only about half the
game, Jackson said:
"Last year, we had two guys (Bryant and Travis Knight)
hurt in the first exhibition game we played, so I want
to go nice and easy with this one." (OCR)

Praising Penberthy, Jackson said:
"I like this kid Mike Penberthy, a small guard. I'll play
him a little bit in (Tyrone) Lue's spot in one of those
two (exhibition) games." (RPE)
Note: Jackson may give Penberthy 12-16 minutes tonight.
"During Tuesday's scrimmage, Penberthy was on the gold
jersey team with starters Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal,
Rick Fox and Horace Grant. A long shot to make the team,
he has shown himself to be a tremendous shooter." (RPE)

About how he is difficult to understand even by players
whose native language is English (referring to Medvedenko),
Jackson said:
" . . . My language as opposed to some people's hearing
ability is difficult anyway, the lingo that I use. So I
think for most of it, it's a communication gap. Then you
put (Lakers assistant coach) Tex (Winter) out there and
he's talking in terms of '50s language, which is altogether
different. We do have a terminology dictionary for these
players that we give them." (RPE)
Note: Aside from his 3-hour daily English lessons,
Medvedenko has been getting help with the English
language and Jackson's terminology from Madsen.

About Rider, Jackson first said:
"He's a great shooter, he's very competitive, defensively
he likes to get out and play. He's finding his way offen-
sively. It's going to be awhile for him to find all the
nuances in this offense. But, we expected that. So that's
not a surprise." (LAT)

Jackson paused and then added:
"He's only been late once. That's the biggest surprise."
(LAT, LBPT, LADN, OCR, RPE)
Note: "Rider, meanwhile, was visibly uncomfortable
answering for his tardiness, which has been a chronic
problem in his career and he vowed to rectify as a
Laker. Only after being asked repeatedly about it
Tuesday did Rider offer any explanation." (OCR)
Note: Rider also parked one day in the well-marked
spot for LA Kings' coach Andy Murray.  Jackson didn't
say what practice Rider was late for this week.
Note: "Rider has worked longer than his new teammates
almost every afternoon, in part because he played almost
no basketball after he was released by Atlanta in March.
Now he's been late once in eight days." (LAT)

About Rider's first response to reporters:
"What's your point? Hurry up - I'm going inside," Rider
said when approached. He proceeded to respond to several
more questions about his tardiness with the flat
response: "Next," wanting to change topics." (OCR)

About Jackson saying that he was late once, Rider said:
"You should talk to [Jackson] about that. We're supposed
to be in the gym, shoes tied and ready to go. [Jackson
and I] walked in together. My shoes weren't tied. So, I
was late." (LAT)

"We're supposed to be on the floor with our shoes tied,
ready to go - and (Jackson) walked in, and I walked in.
And that's what happened. Period. My shoes (weren't)
tied. So, you're late." (OCR, RPE)

"Talk to him about it. I don't have any problem with it.
Neither does he, obviously. I'm still here smiling." (LBPT, OCR)
Note: "Rider smiled, but he was clearly unhappy with the
nature of the questions, and perhaps not pleased that his
new coach had chosen to go public. It is possible that
Jackson exposed Rider as a warning that similar slip-ups,
no matter how minor, will not be tolerated, and that
Rider will be held accountable." (LAT)
Note: "But he walked on the court with years of troubled
baggage, so whether Jackson was trying to send a not-so-
subtle message or not, it was clear every move he makes
is going to be watched closely." (LBPT)

Rider put up his hands and said:
"I'm the least of your worries. I'm fine." (LAT, OCR, RPE)

"I'm the least of your guys' worries. I'm fine. We're
supposed to be on the floor with our shoes tied and
ready to go. He walked in, and I walked in. That's
what happened, period. My shoes wasn't tied, so you're
late." (LBPT)
Note: " similar incident with Dennis Rodman was finally
the excuse the Lakers used to release him two years
ago." (LBPT)

Asked if his lateness was borderline in this case, Rider:
"Whatever you want to call it. I don't have a problem
with it. Neither does he, obviously. I'm still here
smiling. . . . What's up?" (RPE)

About the triangle offense, Rider said:
"I don't have a problem with it. We're playing good.
I'm getting one shot a scrimmage, but that's all right.
It should be fine." (LAT)

"I'm getting like one shot a scrimmage, but it doesn't
matter to me. We're playing good, and we're working
inside out. It doesn't bother me at all. I'm sitting
here working hard and getting in shape daily." (OCR)
Note: "He has worked primarily with the second team.
Jackson and assistant Tex Winter have noted Rider's
superior athletic ability and his willingness to learn
the system, but have cautioned that he'll need at least
the exhibition season to become familiar with the
triangle offense. It could take longer." (LAT)
Note: If Rider is just getting one shot per scrimmage
when playing with the 2nd team, that tells me that he
hasn't learned where to get his shots in the triangle.

Looking forward to the exhibition games, Kobe said:
"We're just going to be running up and down. Guys will
probably run into each other a couple of times. Fans
don't get discouraged, because it happened last year,
too." (RPE)

About playing on the first team (with Shaq/Kobe/Horace/
Fox) in their scrimmage yesterday, 6'3" Mike Penberthy:
"It's beyond my dreams. It doesn't get any better than
this." (LAT)

"It's another step for me. I have to get to the point
where I'm not thinking 'Where's Shaq? Where's Kobe?
Where am I supposed to be?' and I'm just playing.
Sometimes it's easier when I'm not playing with these
guys, because you're worried, 'Oh, shoot, I made a
mistake. I missed this pass.' . . . Once I get over
that adjustment, I think I can fit it well with these
guys." (LBPT)
Note: Penberthy has a public backer in Tex and if he
is a 6'3" version of Kerr, that would be enough to get
him the Fisher-replacement roster spot. If Mike plays
well during the exhibition season, players such as
Davis, Respert, or Hightower may be in a serious
battle just to get a spot on the injured list.
Note: Penberthy has played on the first team for 2
straight days now. Background information on him:
"Penberthy, 6-foot-3, is the former The Master's College
star who had stops in the CBA, Venezuela and Germany
before signing with the Lakers after guard Derek Fisher's
injury was discovered." (LBPT)
Note: Davis has also had time with the first unit.
I don't think that both Davis and Penberthy will make
the active roster, but one of them might earn a spot
at least until Fisher comes back.  Until the past 2
days, I would have put Davis (despite his health prob-
lems) as far more likely than Penberthy to make the
team...but now things look to be favoring Penberthy.
Their play during the first batch of exhibition games
might decide who stays and who gets cut soon.

About his playing style, Penberthy said:
"I'm not the kind of player that is going to hurt a
team. I dribble around, get guys in the offense and
try to spot up when they need me. I just try to make
things run smooth." (LBPT)
Note: LBPT reports that both Tex and Jackson have openly
praised Mike. Unfortunately, LBPT didn't pass along
what it heard Jackson say.

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Post by Spinhea » Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:00:00



<snip>

Sounds like the coaching staff is really high on Medevenko and Penberthy.
This could be interesting as to who makes the final roster. Hopefully its
just not training camp BS, because its starting to sound like the Lakers
might have unearthed a couple of sleepers.

Spinhead

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Post by Bryan Smit » Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Medevenko, I predict, will not only make the team but
may contribute some this year and will likely be a
starter or play starter minutes within two seasons.
I base my opinion more on a hunch than actually
observing his play.  The basis for my hunch :
 very young, 6'9"/10" 250lbs., already an NBA
body, apparently a very good offensive player with
real athleticism.  Apparently has a work ethic
and according to Jackson, shows promise. If he
is big enough (and it sounds like he is) he can
learn to defend (man to man defense is not
played or taught in the old country) and with his
offensive skills (good shooter) he could hit the
outside shot and draw away the 'd' from Shaq.
I was thinking he was more of a '3' but he
looks pretty big on the limited tape I've seen.
Could be a tweener, and that is good in the
triangle.  We shall see . . . .

Bryan

Quote:



> <snip>

> Sounds like the coaching staff is really high on Medevenko and Penberthy.
> This could be interesting as to who makes the final roster. Hopefully its
> just not training camp BS, because its starting to sound like the Lakers
> might have unearthed a couple of sleepers.

> Spinhead

> --
> "Iverson has bought into the 'make the other guys around me better'
> philosophy" --Why Fred Hickman thinks Allen "leads the league in chucks
> per game" Iverson is MVP.

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Post by Spinhea » Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> Medevenko, I predict, will not only make the team but
> may contribute some this year and will likely be a
> starter or play starter minutes within two seasons.
> I base my opinion more on a hunch than actually
> observing his play.  The basis for my hunch :
>  very young, 6'9"/10" 250lbs., already an NBA
> body, apparently a very good offensive player with
> real athleticism.  Apparently has a work ethic
> and according to Jackson, shows promise. If he

Ah, basketball.
I agree with your assessment, he seems to have an NBA body, is big enough
to bang with anybody, yet has an offensive game. He sounds like such a
prospect I'm not sure he'll be content being stashed away on IR. The
Lakers seem to have too many prospects and perhaps cannot keep them all,
even considering IR. George would seem very likely to make the team,
which leaves two spots for the others, with Fisher bumping someone off
the team when he returns.

Jackson may like both Madsen and Medevenko but it would seem unlikely
both will make the roster. Hightower is probably the furthest from any of
the above from making a contribution near future, but the Lakers seem
high on him and Jackson personally wanted him drafted. Penberthy would
have been a long shot 2 weeks ago, but seems to have come on strong (2 of
3 from the 3 pt line vs C***te). Davis seems like he could be an
excellent role player if he can get over his injury. Lue can chase the
little guards and isnt likely to allow himself to be put on IR again.
Madsen works hard, is well liked and provides muscle. Jackson has some
hard decisions to make.

I see the Lakers as having a MUCH stronger bench than last year, MUCH
stronger at PF, but probably a terrible 3 pt shooting team unless someone
picks up their 3 pt FG% in a big way. If the Lakers turn out to be a
terrible perimiter team, then they are going to be unable to spread the
opponent's defense and thats going to hurt.

Spinhead

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philosophy" --Why Fred Hickman thinks Allen "leads the league in chucks
per game" Iverson is MVP.

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Post by Bryan Smit » Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:00:00

I would be extremely surprised if Medevenko
didn't make the team.  Maybe even shocked . . .

Bryan

Quote:



> > Medevenko, I predict, will not only make the team but
> > may contribute some this year and will likely be a
> > starter or play starter minutes within two seasons.
> > I base my opinion more on a hunch than actually
> > observing his play.  The basis for my hunch :
> >  very young, 6'9"/10" 250lbs., already an NBA
> > body, apparently a very good offensive player with
> > real athleticism.  Apparently has a work ethic
> > and according to Jackson, shows promise. If he

> Ah, basketball.
> I agree with your assessment, he seems to have an NBA body, is big enough
> to bang with anybody, yet has an offensive game. He sounds like such a
> prospect I'm not sure he'll be content being stashed away on IR. The
> Lakers seem to have too many prospects and perhaps cannot keep them all,
> even considering IR. George would seem very likely to make the team,
> which leaves two spots for the others, with Fisher bumping someone off
> the team when he returns.

> Jackson may like both Madsen and Medevenko but it would seem unlikely
> both will make the roster. Hightower is probably the furthest from any of
> the above from making a contribution near future, but the Lakers seem
> high on him and Jackson personally wanted him drafted. Penberthy would
> have been a long shot 2 weeks ago, but seems to have come on strong (2 of
> 3 from the 3 pt line vs C***te). Davis seems like he could be an
> excellent role player if he can get over his injury. Lue can chase the
> little guards and isnt likely to allow himself to be put on IR again.
> Madsen works hard, is well liked and provides muscle. Jackson has some
> hard decisions to make.

> I see the Lakers as having a MUCH stronger bench than last year, MUCH
> stronger at PF, but probably a terrible 3 pt shooting team unless someone
> picks up their 3 pt FG% in a big way. If the Lakers turn out to be a
> terrible perimiter team, then they are going to be unable to spread the
> opponent's defense and thats going to hurt.

> Spinhead

> --
> "Iverson has bought into the 'make the other guys around me better'
> philosophy" --Why Fred Hickman thinks Allen "leads the league in chucks
> per game" Iverson is MVP.

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Post by Spinhea » Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> I would be extremely surprised if Medevenko
> didn't make the team.  Maybe even shocked . . .

Does that include IR? If you mean the final roster the following would
seem like a sure bet
Shaq
Kobe
Grant
Harper
Foster
Fox
Shaw
George (only one not a lock)
Horry
Rider

That leaves 2 spots. I cant see the Lakers taking both Madsen and
Medevenko, more likely one PF and one guard. Madsen seems to be a bigger
certainty than Medevenko--that would leave a spot for one of
Medevenko,Lue, Davis, Hightower, Penberthy, Respert. I'll be shocked if
that final spot doesnt go to a guard. Furthermore, Fisher will bump
someone when he comes back so its his spot being temporarily filled. Got
to be a guard. As for IR, if Medevenko feels he is a lock to make the
final 12 on another team then he may not be willing to go to IR, unless
he really wants to be a Laker.

Spinhead

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per game" Iverson is MVP.

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Post by Bryan Smit » Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:00:00

I was including IR in my thinking.  I think IR is
a likely spot for Medevenko.  Big, young, guys
who can play are a much harder to come by
commodity than backcourt players.  I really
don't think they would let him get away.

Bryan

Quote:



> > I would be extremely surprised if Medevenko
> > didn't make the team.  Maybe even shocked . . .

> Does that include IR? If you mean the final roster the following would
> seem like a sure bet
> Shaq
> Kobe
> Grant
> Harper
> Foster
> Fox
> Shaw
> George (only one not a lock)
> Horry
> Rider

> That leaves 2 spots. I cant see the Lakers taking both Madsen and
> Medevenko, more likely one PF and one guard. Madsen seems to be a bigger
> certainty than Medevenko--that would leave a spot for one of
> Medevenko,Lue, Davis, Hightower, Penberthy, Respert. I'll be shocked if
> that final spot doesnt go to a guard. Furthermore, Fisher will bump
> someone when he comes back so its his spot being temporarily filled. Got
> to be a guard. As for IR, if Medevenko feels he is a lock to make the
> final 12 on another team then he may not be willing to go to IR, unless
> he really wants to be a Laker.

> Spinhead

> --
> "Iverson has bought into the 'make the other guys around me better'
> philosophy" --Why Fred Hickman thinks Allen "leads the league in chucks
> per game" Iverson is MVP.

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