Playing Hard for Money (was Re: Baseball Stunts (was Re: Minnie Minoso))

Playing Hard for Money (was Re: Baseball Stunts (was Re: Minnie Minoso))

Post by mist.. » Thu, 04 Oct 1990 06:11:37


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>I disagree with the sentiment that most players at a high level don't
>strive to be better.  Especially in today's market, with so much money
>around, there's a strong incentive to play better and improve your level of
>play, because you'll get more money and extend your career (and the post 30
>year old part of your career is the most lucrative).  

Yes, but have you maybe considered the other aspect of this?  Guys don't play
better until it's time to cash in the chips?
Case in point -- Darren Daulton, catcher for the Philadelphia Phillies.
Until now he's been a .230 hitter with spotty power and so-so defense.
But guess what, he's a free agent this year?  So what does he do?
The second half of the season he's batted ~.280 with 10 HR -- from the second
spot in the batting order.  Could it be that Darren is now playing to impress
other teams so he can get out of Philly and into a bigger contract with a better
team?

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>Sherri Nichols


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Playing Hard for Money (was Re: Baseball Stunts (was Re: Minnie Minoso))

Post by Sherri Nicho » Thu, 04 Oct 1990 10:21:38

Quote:

>Yes, but have you maybe considered the other aspect of this?  Guys don't play
>better until it's time to cash in the chips?
>Case in point -- Darren Daulton, catcher for the Philadelphia Phillies.
>Until now he's been a .230 hitter with spotty power and so-so defense.
>But guess what, he's a free agent this year?  So what does he do?
>The second half of the season he's batted ~.280 with 10 HR -- from the second
>spot in the batting order.  Could it be that Darren is now playing to impress
>other teams so he can get out of Philly and into a bigger contract with a better
>team?

Sure, but this phenomenon didn't originate with free agency.  Ever heard
the term "salary drive"?  A player turning in a good performance after his
team was out of it was said to be going on a salary drive, to improve his
contract prospects for next season.

Of course, one could point out that had Mr. Daulton played over several
years at his level of play this year, he'd draw more money on the free
agent market.  There's still incentive to play your best, even if it isn't
your last season pre-free agent.  There's also arbitration, which has been
one of the biggest contributing factors to salary escalation.

Sherri Nichols


 
 
 

Playing Hard for Money (was Re: Baseball Stunts (was Re: Minnie Minoso))

Post by Mary Rose Campbe » Thu, 04 Oct 1990 11:46:08


Quote:

>I disagree with the sentiment that most players at a high level don't
>strive to be better.  Especially in today's market, with so much money
>around, there's a strong incentive to play better and improve your level of
>play, because you'll get more money and extend your career (and the post 30
>year old part of your career is the most lucrative).  

Yes, but have you maybe considered the other aspect of this?  Guys don't play
better until it's time to cash in the chips?
Case in point -- Darren Daulton, catcher for the Philadelphia Phillies.
Until now he's been a .230 hitter with spotty power and so-so defense.
But guess what, he's a free agent this year?  So what does he do?
The second half of the season he's batted ~.280 with 10 HR -- from the second
spot in the batting order.  Could it be that Darren is now playing to impress
other teams so he can get out of Philly and into a bigger contract with
a better
team?

Actually, he improved after moving to the #2 spot because he's a pull
hitter and Dykstra gets on base a lot, leaving a hole for Daulton to hit.

mrc

 
 
 

Playing Hard for Money (was Re: Baseball Stunts (was Re: Minnie Minoso))

Post by John_Ferei » Fri, 05 Oct 1990 08:25:10

Quote:

>I was saying that he [Canseco] plays the game for the money, not for the love of
>it. If he were offered 5 years from now, say $7 million, he wouldn't take it.
>(Considering inflation and the skyrocketing salaries, in 5 years $10 million
>will be the highest salary. Canseco wouldn't play for less than the highest
>salary.)

Your sure seem to know a whole lot about what Jose Canseco thinks.  Are
you his manager or someting?

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>OK, examples of those who love the game, anyone?

Ricky Henderson.  I'm not kidding.  

Quote:
>Ethan Andelman

>----------

--
John Fereira                      

"Is that *all* you ever think about"?

 
 
 

Playing Hard for Money (was Re: Baseball Stunts (was Re: Minnie Minoso))

Post by mist.. » Thu, 04 Oct 1990 21:35:46

Quote:


>>Yes, but have you maybe considered the other aspect of this?  Guys don't play
>>better until it's time to cash in the chips?
>>Could it be that Darren is now playing to impress
>>other teams so he can get out of Philly and into a bigger contract with a better
>>team?

>Sure, but this phenomenon didn't originate with free agency.  Ever heard
>the term "salary drive"?  A player turning in a good performance after his
>team was out of it was said to be going on a salary drive, to improve his
>contract prospects for next season.

Yes, but Darren might be trying to get OUT of Philadelphia.  Philly was still
really in the race when Daulton turned it on this year (6 games out around
all-star time).  He's always had the tag of 'had the ability but has never
realized it.'  Maybe he just doesn't want to realize his talent for a team that
in his opinion is going nowhere.
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Playing Hard for Money (was Re: Baseball Stunts (was Re: Minnie Minoso))

Post by mist.. » Thu, 04 Oct 1990 21:39:50


Quote:
>Actually, he improved after moving to the #2 spot because he's a pull
>hitter and Dykstra gets on base a lot, leaving a hole for Daulton to hit.

Hole?  After moving to the 2 slot he was banging balls off of the wall.  I don't
have the stats with me, but I would hazard to guess his slugging % was up around
500 for most of the second half.

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>mrc

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