Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by Bobspr » Sat, 07 Aug 2004 08:29:53


Does Oscar really think he can win this? I wonder what's really on his mind
regarding the fight with Hopkins. Oscar is smart, so I imagine that he knows
what he's up against.
I seriously doubt a decision on this fight. While Oscar's chin is excellent,
he'll be in there with a guy who can hit hard and often all night long. Oscar's
speed doesn't mean he won't trade. He nearly always trades at some point in the
later rounds. This will be his undoing after a valiant early effort. He'll get
knocked down twice, then the fight will be stopped. Maybe!
Still, I'm intrigued to see what Oscar plans to do and how Hopkins tries to
derail him. I guess I'm rooting for Oscar, since he's taking the crazy fight to
begin with. So...my prediction: Oscar overwelms a "lightly stunned" Hopkins in
the 9th with a fast and mostly harmless flurry of punches. The ref plays it
safe, and the fight is stopped. The unhurt Hopkins will be as angry as Hagler
when he lost to Leonard.

RB

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by TheGlove » Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:34:13

Quote:
>I guess I'm rooting for Oscar, since he's taking the crazy fight to
>begin with

Oscar should be rooted for because hopkins has been nothing but a punk. Making
his claim as a great p4p fighter by beating two great smaller fighters(IF he
beats Oscar) who both were in their second fights at middleweight. Cleaning out
a weak division and deciding against taking on the most challenging fights out
there doesnt make you the best. Of course, sadly, this formula has worked, hes
making a lot of money, considered by some people for some reason p4p the best,
and fighting a smaller fighter. Of course there are alot of Oscar haters, who
will be rooting for beatrice 'once, twice, three times Ill fight a mandatory'
flopkins.

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by Doggyb » Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:29:54

Quote:

> Does Oscar really think he can win this? I wonder what's really on his mind
> regarding the fight with Hopkins. Oscar is smart, so I imagine that he knows
> what he's up against.
> I seriously doubt a decision on this fight. While Oscar's chin is excellent,
> he'll be in there with a guy who can hit hard and often all night long. Oscar's
> speed doesn't mean he won't trade. He nearly always trades at some point in the
> later rounds. This will be his undoing after a valiant early effort. He'll get
> knocked down twice, then the fight will be stopped. Maybe!
> Still, I'm intrigued to see what Oscar plans to do and how Hopkins tries to
> derail him. I guess I'm rooting for Oscar, since he's taking the crazy fight to
> begin with.

Indeed, fighting Hopkins will make some DLH haters root for him. Not
all, of course.

 So...my prediction: Oscar overwelms a "lightly stunned" Hopkins in

Quote:
> the 9th with a fast and mostly harmless flurry of punches. The ref plays it
> safe, and the fight is stopped. The unhurt Hopkins will be as angry as Hagler
> when he lost to Leonard.

> RB

OK, this is how I see it. Oscar's biggest asset in big fights is his
recent ability to establish early leads. Look at Trinidad, both Mosley
fights, Sturm.

So the plan would be for him to win as many early rounds as he can.
Say, about 4 or 5 out of the early 6 rounds. It can be done since
Hopkins is not always a fast starter. Its a risky plan since we've
seen that judges don't always see things the way we do, and might
score the fight a lot closer than we do. Anyways, if DLH gets wins 4
rounds in the first half, then he only has two more rounds to win to
get a draw which is not that unrealistic. DLH will have to pull one
extra round somehow to win the fight...I really don't know how he'll
do it.

Unlike with the Mosley fights, the judges might be more sympathetic
with Oscar fighting a much bigger man (like in the Sturm fight) and
be impressed with DLH's efforts and as a result give him extra credit
(unlike what happened in the last Mosley fight). In the end, I foresee
Hopkins landing the harder shots and shaking the Golden boy here and
there. However, the Golden boy will have won enough early rounds to
secure at least a draw and will use his speed and rapid flurries to
win more.

I can see DLH outsmarting Hopkins and winning a close decision where
many will think it was a robbery because Hopkins will have landed the
much harder shots... even if they weren't enough and consistent.

doggy

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by Bobspr » Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:17:51

I can see DLH outsmarting Hopkins and winning a close decision where
many will think it was a robbery because Hopkins will have landed the
much harder shots... even if they weren't enough and consistent.>>

I agree with this...except I think we'll all nod knowingly if Hopkins simply
KO's Oscar.

RB

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by 223re » Sun, 08 Aug 2004 01:22:47

A really crazy theory: the fight is going to be fixed. Hopkins
agrees to go easy on Oscar (no KO punches allowed!), and Oscar
to box and run, winning a highly controversial decision.
The rematch will be huge.
 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by SuperF » Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:36:33

Quote:

> Does Oscar really think he can win this? I wonder what's really on his mind
> regarding the fight with Hopkins. Oscar is smart, so I imagine that he knows
> what he's up against.
> I seriously doubt a decision on this fight. While Oscar's chin is excellent,
> he'll be in there with a guy who can hit hard and often all night long. Oscar's
> speed doesn't mean he won't trade. He nearly always trades at some point in the
> later rounds. This will be his undoing after a valiant early effort. He'll get
> knocked down twice, then the fight will be stopped. Maybe!
> Still, I'm intrigued to see what Oscar plans to do and how Hopkins tries to
> derail him. I guess I'm rooting for Oscar, since he's taking the crazy fight to
> begin with. So...my prediction: Oscar overwelms a "lightly stunned" Hopkins in
> the 9th with a fast and mostly harmless flurry of punches. The ref plays it
> safe, and the fight is stopped. The unhurt Hopkins will be as angry as Hagler
> when he lost to Leonard.

> RB

For Oscar to have any chance (to win!) in this fight, he has to take risk
while boxing to the best of his abilities. Taking risk means daring to
seek opps to land his famous left hook at least once (hopefully the
very first time) "perfectly".

Has Hopkins been hit really *** the chin before? I feel that getting
hit by a perfect left hook downs him since any strength difference does
not matter here.

If Oscar only tries to box, I think Hopkins is as skillful and has better
reach to score more easy points and land big right hands every now and then
to win a very one sided event.

On the other hand, if Hopkins get too zealous to hit Oscar, then I think
the fight will be interesting -- since Oscar will have to go aggressive
and fast in exchanges and hope to land that left hook.

At this point, more than anything, I only hope that the fight will be as
good as any of our imaginations and expectations...

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by CORY SYNA » Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:47:56

Here is the keys for Oscar to have a chance against Hopkins:

#1): Use his superior footwork. De La Hoya has better footwork than Hopkins,
so if he can avoid that big punch or take Hopkins punches all night long, he
can use his quicker jab as well to frustrate the foul prone Hopkins.

#2): Oscar must go back to his defensive style he used against Whitaker,
even if it's boring. This is Oscar's biggest fight and he MUST make Hopkins
miss a lot in order for Bernard to run out of gas later in the fight.

If Oscar can utilize these suggestions, I think he has MUCH more than a
punchers chance to upset Hopkins. Will it happen? Probably not. Why? because
Oscar has never been in the ring with a guy the "rough em' up, war attitude"
that Bernard brings to the table. Hopkins simply has more killer instinct
than Oscar, but Oscar has proven the ability to get *** when he needs to
be (see his fights against Quartey & Vargas).

For the people thinking (or hoping) to see Oscar get hurt really bad and
stopped early, your wasting your time because it won't happen. From the
opening bell, Oscar is going to peck with his quick jab and get a feel for
Hopkins. This plan might last 3 rounds before Oscar gets comfortable. My
question is what is Hopkins going to do? Is Bernard going to throw bombs
from the start or get a feel for Oscar as well? I tend to think Hopkins will
play the first round safe, but if he gets any kind of feeling he can reach
Oscar pretty frequently, he's going in for the kill.

Hopkins by stoppage in round 10 in a better, closer fight than people think.
If this happened 4 years ago, bernard eats Oscar up within 6 rounds.
However, Hopkins is older and his last few fights, he showed signs of more
fatigue in the later rounds.

Scar TKO


Quote:
> > Does Oscar really think he can win this? I wonder what's really on his
mind
> > regarding the fight with Hopkins. Oscar is smart, so I imagine that he
knows
> > what he's up against.
> > I seriously doubt a decision on this fight. While Oscar's chin is
excellent,
> > he'll be in there with a guy who can hit hard and often all night long.
Oscar's
> > speed doesn't mean he won't trade. He nearly always trades at some point
in the
> > later rounds. This will be his undoing after a valiant early effort.
He'll get
> > knocked down twice, then the fight will be stopped. Maybe!
> > Still, I'm intrigued to see what Oscar plans to do and how Hopkins tries
to
> > derail him. I guess I'm rooting for Oscar, since he's taking the crazy
fight to
> > begin with. So...my prediction: Oscar overwelms a "lightly stunned"
Hopkins in
> > the 9th with a fast and mostly harmless flurry of punches. The ref plays
it
> > safe, and the fight is stopped. The unhurt Hopkins will be as angry as
Hagler
> > when he lost to Leonard.

> > RB

> For Oscar to have any chance (to win!) in this fight, he has to take risk
> while boxing to the best of his abilities. Taking risk means daring to
> seek opps to land his famous left hook at least once (hopefully the
> very first time) "perfectly".

> Has Hopkins been hit really *** the chin before? I feel that getting
> hit by a perfect left hook downs him since any strength difference does
> not matter here.

> If Oscar only tries to box, I think Hopkins is as skillful and has better
> reach to score more easy points and land big right hands every now and
then
> to win a very one sided event.

> On the other hand, if Hopkins get too zealous to hit Oscar, then I think
> the fight will be interesting -- since Oscar will have to go aggressive
> and fast in exchanges and hope to land that left hook.

> At this point, more than anything, I only hope that the fight will be as
> good as any of our imaginations and expectations...

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by TheGlove » Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:41:09

Quote:
>However, Hopkins is older and his last few fights, he showed signs of more
>fatigue in the later rounds.

I noticed no difference in hopkins fatigue in the joppy fight or the allen
fight, he looked energized een in the later rounds, but this is the excuse for
the upset.
 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by Fabio Paim is the Messi » Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:57:01

Quote:

> Does Oscar really think he can win this? I wonder what's really on his mind
> regarding the fight with Hopkins. Oscar is smart, so I imagine that he knows
> what he's up against.
> I seriously doubt a decision on this fight. While Oscar's chin is excellent,

You can't have it both ways, so either Oscar's chin is excellent or
Mosley is a pumped up Lightweight.

Did you fail to see Mosley put Oscar on *** street in the mid
rounds? Had Shane pressed it he would KOed him, Oscar's legs were
total spagheti.

When is the Mosley Vs Wright rematch BTW?

Andr

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by Bobspr » Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:27:34

You can't have it both ways, so either Oscar's chin is excellent or
Mosley is a pumped up Lightweight.

Did you fail to see Mosley put Oscar on *** street in the mid
rounds? Had Shane pressed it he would KOed him,>>

Only proves how good Oscar's chin is. I think Mosely hit Oscar harder and hurt
him more than Tito, who also landed cleanly on Oscar. Oscar was never down and
battle back against Mosely. Oscar has yet to be KO'd. Mosely and Tito have been
down and out.

RB

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by TheGlove » Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:35:43

Quote:
>Did you fail to see Mosley put Oscar on *** street in the mid
>rounds?

Youre are right, Oscar does not have a good chin, lol.
 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by TheGlove » Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:37:28

Quote:
> Oscar was never down and
>battle back against Mosely.

A fight in which he won easily. But that is the way boxing goes.
 
 
 

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Post by Fabio Paim is the Messi » Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:46:52

Quote:

> > Oscar was never down and
> >battle back against Mosely.

> A fight in which he won easily. But that is the way boxing goes.

There is no way in hell anybody will ever convince me that De La Hoya
won the 2nd fight with Mosley. Not by any stretch of the imagination,
it boggles the mind how anybody can see it that way.

Andr

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by Bobspr » Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:46:14

There is no way in hell anybody will ever convince me that De La Hoya
won the 2nd fight with Mosley. Not by any stretch of the imagination,
it boggles the mind how anybody can see it that way.>>>

Prepare to be boggled! It was a close fight. Through the first 6 rounds, many
felt Oscar was outlanding Mosely. But Mosely picked it up after that. I thought
Mosely landed the better shots, but it just seemed that he was outboxed overall
to many. When they announced Mosely as the winner his utter look of shock said
it all.

RB

 
 
 

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar....

Post by The Lord Memno » Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:33:58

Quote:

>Youre are right, Oscar does not have a good chin, lol.

Of ccourse not! Have you not seen how many times he has been knocked out?