Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by TIMOTHY DONATELL » Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:10:40


A prime Mosley can't beat PBF, though it would be close.

Mosley is a HALL O FAME fighter, but not a LEGEND like Mayweather Jr.

Scar TKO

Quote:
> Oscar DelaHoya has the tools and the style to do it. He is a ring
> general who has been known to work behind the jab, and that could
> offset the speed and slickness of PBF. Anyone who tries to march
> straight in on Floyd is going to run into a flurry of headsnapping
> shots. If DLH boxes Mayweather the way he boxed Trinidad for 9 rounds,
> then Oscar has a decent chance.

> Floyd in some respects reminds me of James Toney in that he is
> defensive oriented guy who counts on the other fighter being stupid
> enough to march in and throw punches without working behind the jab.

> I'm no fighter, but if I had the skills, I would make Floyd come to me,
> and I would jab him up and down from all angles and use the ring all
> night long, and tie him up when he gets inside. I would counter him
> when he misses and make him think twice about bullrushing me.

> It wouldn't be an exciting fight, but that's the way to beat this guy.
> When he gets older and he slows down, fighters can start marching in
> and whacking the body with huge shots.

> The real question is how much does Oscar have left? Mayorga made him
> look good because he is a wild swinging fighter made to order for an
> experienced gunslinger like DLH.

> To tell you the truth, I can't see anyone else at 147 who has the style
> to beat PBF. Paul Williams is a tall guy with a jab, but he seems more
> like Milton McCrory than Thomas Hearns. Antonio Margarito's relentless
> pressure would begin to pay off in the mid to late rounds in a fight
> against Floyd, but I still see Floyd winning that match on points.

> The guys in history past who would have been favored to beat Floyd are
> mostly guys with good jabs: Hearns, Sugar Ray Robinson, maybe Sugar Ray
> Leonard, perhaps a prime Shane Mosely (but the guy doesn't work behind
> the jab anymore!). Everyone else gets schooled.

> PM

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Pastor Mar » Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:46:38

Oscar DelaHoya has the tools and the style to do it. He is a ring
general who has been known to work behind the jab, and that could
offset the speed and slickness of PBF. Anyone who tries to march
straight in on Floyd is going to run into a flurry of headsnapping
shots. If DLH boxes Mayweather the way he boxed Trinidad for 9 rounds,
then Oscar has a decent chance.

Floyd in some respects reminds me of James Toney in that he is
defensive oriented guy who counts on the other fighter being stupid
enough to march in and throw punches without working behind the jab.

I'm no fighter, but if I had the skills, I would make Floyd come to me,
and I would jab him up and down from all angles and use the ring all
night long, and tie him up when he gets inside. I would counter him
when he misses and make him think twice about bullrushing me.

It wouldn't be an exciting fight, but that's the way to beat this guy.
When he gets older and he slows down, fighters can start marching in
and whacking the body with huge shots.

The real question is how much does Oscar have left? Mayorga made him
look good because he is a wild swinging fighter made to order for an
experienced gunslinger like DLH.

To tell you the truth, I can't see anyone else at 147 who has the style
to beat PBF. Paul Williams is a tall guy with a jab, but he seems more
like Milton McCrory than Thomas Hearns. Antonio Margarito's relentless
pressure would begin to pay off in the mid to late rounds in a fight
against Floyd, but I still see Floyd winning that match on points.

The guys in history past who would have been favored to beat Floyd are
mostly guys with good jabs: Hearns, Sugar Ray Robinson, maybe Sugar Ray
Leonard, perhaps a prime Shane Mosely (but the guy doesn't work behind
the jab anymore!). Everyone else gets schooled.

PM

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Richard Mar » Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:45:18

I agree with Marc, if Oscar can jab the way Barrera beat Hamed, then it
is possible for him to win a decision. Jab and movement would be the way
to go, doubt if Oscar can do it for 12 rounds though.

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Nay-Saye » Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:52:11

Quote:

> I agree with Marc, if Oscar can jab the way Barrera beat Hamed, then it
> is possible for him to win a decision. Jab and movement would be the way
> to go, doubt if Oscar can do it for 12 rounds though.

Oscar has a good jab but the fact of the matter is he's too slow and
he's there to be hit.  Floyd is gonna make Oscar look like an ole'
man...

TNS

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Pastor Mar » Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:30:48

Quote:


> > I agree with Marc, if Oscar can jab the way Barrera beat Hamed, then it
> > is possible for him to win a decision. Jab and movement would be the way
> > to go, doubt if Oscar can do it for 12 rounds though.

> Oscar has a good jab but the fact of the matter is he's too slow and
> he's there to be hit.  Floyd is gonna make Oscar look like an ole'
> man...

> TNS

Perhaps, but in his prime, he would have done better. Don't know if
it's too late now or not. One of the things I love about WInky Wright
is that he is such a throwback fighter, working behind an educated jab.
There aren't too many guys who do that anymore. The trend in boxing
today is to blow people away with speed and power.

But arguably, the best fighters ever worked behind the jab (Ali,
Holmes, Louis, Foster, Hagler, Monzon, Robinson, Tunney, Hearns, MAB,
etc). A good jab will nullify all that manic speed.

Floyd Mayweather has come along at a time in boxing where not many
people are practicing the fundamentals of working behind the jab and
good defense.

There are some exceptions. Travis Simms schooled Rivera the other night
with that southpaw jab, Peter tamed Toney with the jab, Wlad kept Byrd
and Peter at bay with a long jab, Jermain Taylor USED to rely heavily
on his jab, which has disappeared in recent outings, and his resulted
in a dissipation of his boxing performances.

I'm telling you, a good boxer with movement and savvy will retire the
Pretty Boy. My only question is "Where is he? Where is this boxer?"

PM

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by The Arrange » Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:42:20

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Quote:

> I'm telling you, a good boxer with movement and savvy will retire the
> Pretty Boy. My only question is "Where is he? Where is this boxer?"

Ye shall find a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, and lying in a
manger.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Rend your garment if you must.

The Arranger

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Pastor Mar » Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:47:11

Quote:


> .

> > I'm telling you, a good boxer with movement and savvy will retire the
> > Pretty Boy. My only question is "Where is he? Where is this boxer?"

> Ye shall find a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, and lying in a
> manger.

> Sorry, I couldn't resist. Rend your garment if you must.

> The Arranger

That's funny! Point well taken. The biggest threat to Floyd Mayweather
right
now is, er, Floyd Mayweather.
 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Timothy Treadwel » Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:38:33

Quote:
> The real question is how much does Oscar have left? Mayorga made him
> look good because he is a wild swinging fighter made to order for an
> experienced gunslinger like DLH.

Why does everyone keep saying Mayorga was "made order" for DLH?
The same could be said with Mayorga being a  made to order fighter for
Trinidad's comeback.

And many people can say that fighters like Gatti and Baldomir were made
to order for PBF's speed and slickness style.

Quote:

> To tell you the truth, I can't see anyone else at 147 who has the style
> to beat PBF.

Listen, it will happen eventually like it always happens with a top
fighter who appears invincible. Some years back it was inconceivable to
think that Roy Jones could lose a fight, much less to someone like
Tarver but it did happen.
 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Timothy Treadwel » Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:41:49


Quote:

> > I agree with Marc, if Oscar can jab the way Barrera beat Hamed, then it
> > is possible for him to win a decision. Jab and movement would be the way
> > to go, doubt if Oscar can do it for 12 rounds though.Oscar has a good jab but the fact of the matter is he's too slow and
> he's there to be hit.  Floyd is gonna make Oscar look like an ole'
> man...

> TNS

Oscar is still very fast when he wants to be. PBF is used to fighting
slow fighters who almost ALWAYS come forward and he seemed nervous when
he fought Zab Judah.

Oscar doesn't have it anymore but this won't be an easy fight for PBF;
at least not until DLH begins to tire by round 9.

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Michael Lita Smell » Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:12:44

Cause of Floyd's defense I think Oscar's left hook (his best punch)
might determine the outcome of this fight.
 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by nseye » Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:45:36


Quote:
> I'm telling you, a good boxer with movement and savvy will retire the
> Pretty Boy. My only question is "Where is he? Where is this boxer?"

> PM

I think Paul "the punisher" Williams could be a formidable opponent for
PBF...
 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Paul Casse » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:45:42

Quote:

> Oscar DelaHoya has the tools and the style to do it.

I didn't think this fight could happen due to weights. What is the
agreed upon weight? If 154, DLH has a very good chance. If 147, none, IMO.
 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Michael Lita Smell » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:42:14

1-4 in has last four bouts?? lol
Quote:



> >The real question is how much does Oscar have left? Mayorga made him
> >look good because he is a wild swinging fighter made to order for an
> >experienced gunslinger like DLH.

> Oscar is 1-4 in his last four bouts, in my view, and I expect in that
> of a lot of fans.  So his one victory since 2003 is over a
> unidimensional slugger.

> The version of DLH who last narrowly lost to Mosley would have been an
> interesting test against PBF's speed and versatility, but even that
> fighter is gone.

> Just nine months later we met the plodder who was out-jabbed by Sturm.
> Nothing since then has recommended Oscar for a fight with the world
> P4P number one.

> Other than the bank to be made.

 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Paul Casse » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:09:31

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Quote:

> Oscar is 1-4 in his last four bouts,

Are you the publicity agent for Ricardo and Felix?
 
 
 

Beating Floyd Mayweather Jr - The key is the jab!

Post by Michael Lita Smell » Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:37:54

yes i am, how are you doing? Need some advice? Just ask, kid.
Quote:


> .

> > Oscar is 1-4 in his last four bouts,

> Are you the publicity agent for Ricardo and Felix?