Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by seles-.. » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:01:54


Apparently Larry merchant thinks WK is pretty much unbeatable, and will
beat Lennox lewis if they meet, yeah sure Larry.

http://mfile.akamai.com/3310/rm/sportnws.download.akamai.com/3310/i/m...

 
 
 

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by Ivan Weis » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:05:54


Quote:
> Apparently Larry merchant thinks WK is pretty much unbeatable, and will
> beat Lennox lewis if they meet, yeah sure Larry.

Lewis will retire before he ever gets in the ring with WK. IMO Lewis could
beat WK now. But he isn't fighting him now.

In two more fights WK will be ready to beat Lewis. But first Lewis has to
fight VK. I'm assuming Lewis will win. Then he may fight Tyson again. It's
an easy payday and an easy win. By then they may try to force him to fight
Byrd. Lewis won't fight Byrd. I'm guessing he'll retire first.

In the meantime, WK can have 2-3 more fights. Tua should be one of them. WK
will be able to unload on Tua with abandon. Tua can't reach him. I don't
know who else he might fight to get ready for Lewis. But he'd be ready, make
no mistake.

It's easy to say WK should have been more aggressive against McCline. Maybe
he should have been. But he won damn near every round, broke his man down
gradually, and took him out. What the hell do people want, a human
sacrifice? McCline was trying to win the fight. He just doesn't know what to
do in there.

I don't know why a guy 6-6, 265 fights off his back foot, but there he was.
Plus even Limpley could see he was tighter than a drum. He's *always*
tighter than a drum. He'll never get to the next level fighting like that.
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Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by Delacrio » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:36:32



Quote:
> Apparently Larry merchant thinks WK is pretty much unbeatable, and
> will beat Lennox lewis if they meet, yeah sure Larry.

> http://mfile.akamai.com/3310/rm/sportnws.download.akamai.com/3310/i/med
> ia/audio/2/20021207/12406.ram

I agree with him about beating Lewis (though Wlad certainly isn't
"unbeatable").

It was a boxing match last night, not a tough-man contest, and some fans
who no little about boxing don't know the difference.

He won nearly every round, put himself in little jepordary and got the TKO.
He had no responsibility to "go after Mccline" or "put him away early" and
risk getting KOed himself.

 
 
 

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by seles-.. » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:14:08

I can't believe some of you guys are picking WK to beat Lewis if they
meet,
when WK watches Lewis beat the shit
out of his older brother, i think WK will
back out of the fight against Lewis, but i hope WK takes the challenge
so Lewis can retire in style since most think WK
is better, but both are ordinary fighters
really in my opinion.
 
 
 

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by The Sanity Cruze » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:25:11


Quote:
> In two more fights WK will be ready to beat Lewis. But first Lewis has to
> fight VK. I'm assuming Lewis will win. Then he may fight Tyson again. It's
> an easy payday and an easy win. By then they may try to force him to fight
> Byrd. Lewis won't fight Byrd. I'm guessing he'll retire first.

> In the meantime, WK can have 2-3 more fights. Tua should be one of them.
WK
> will be able to unload on Tua with abandon. Tua can't reach him. I don't
> know who else he might fight to get ready for Lewis. But he'd be ready,
make
> no mistake.

I fail to see what the magic of having two more fights will do for Klitschko
which will transform his then being ready to fight Lewis.  Not only that, I
fail to see how fighting Tua will significantly help prepare Wladimir for
Lewis.  Klitschko has had 41 professional bouts and has been a pro for over
6 years.  I think his growth as a pro will be in small, incremental pieces,
not in huge leaps and bounds.  I don't think two fights will make all that
much difference.  I think the time between now and when Wladimir fights
Lewis will have more of an effect on the outcome of their bout than any
added experience for Klitschko.

Quote:
> I don't know why a guy 6-6, 265 fights off his back foot, but there he
was.
> Plus even Limpley could see he was tighter than a drum. He's *always*
> tighter than a drum. He'll never get to the next level fighting like that.

According to George Foreman (and all of his wisdom), McCline wants to be
tight.  Unbelievable.  I think Foreman will say things simply to contradict
Lampley and Merchant, just because they have never been fighters.
 
 
 

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by Ivan Weis » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:49:25



Quote:

> I fail to see what the magic of having two more fights will do for
Klitschko
> which will transform his then being ready to fight Lewis.  Not only that,
I
> fail to see how fighting Tua will significantly help prepare Wladimir for
> Lewis.

I'll tell you exactly why I think it. WK needs to get more fluid. He needs
to punch with more abandon. He needs to throw more punches in his
combinations, exactly as Foreman said. He needs to learn to step around his
man more, and give more angles. He'll need this against Lewis. There's no
magic to it. It's another two fights of experience.

He can do all this against Tua, while being aware that Tua could whack him
with one punch and end it all. Tua is not likely to be as cautious vs. WK as
he was vs. Lewis. I'd guess he'd be a lot more dangerous. To prepare for
Lewis, WK doesn't have to fight everybody 6-6.

Lewis may get lazy sometimes, but when he is on his game he knows how to
fight and how to sucker an opponent in, then counter him. WK needs to learn
how to attack. He's still a little too cautious. That's why I think he needs
a couple more fights.. I think if he fought Lewis now, Lewis would figure
him out.

 Klitschko has had 41 professional bouts and has been a pro for over

Quote:
> 6 years.  I think his growth as a pro will be in small, incremental
pieces,
> not in huge leaps and bounds.  I don't think two fights will make all that
> much difference.  I think the time between now and when Wladimir fights
> Lewis will have more of an effect on the outcome of their bout than any
> added experience for Klitschko.

I respect your opinion, but I don't necessarily share it. I still see some
gaps in WK's game.
----
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Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by Ulrich Mayrin » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:11:50

Quote:

> so Lewis can retire in style since most think WK
> is better, but both are ordinary fighters
> really in my opinion.

If Lewis beats both Klitschkos and optionally Tyson again, then retires,
he will in my book be an all-time great. If he loses to Vitali, then I
have to think about it some more.

Ulrich

 
 
 

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by Nils Mayflowe » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:17:55

Quote:
> It was a boxing match last night, not a tough-man contest, and some fans
> who no little about boxing don't know the difference.

You said it. Wlad is an intelligent boxer, just like his brother.
Intelligence was the reason that an injured Vitaly gave up against Byrd.

Many people find this intelligent fighting style "boring" or even
"un-manly".
What BS. This is the true form of boxing, not brainless "wars", even if they
are entertaining.

Be ready for the *** of intelligent boxers in the coming years. It
started with Lewis (the best HW since Ali) and will continue with both of
the big K's.

Quote:
> He won nearly every round, put himself in little jepordary and got the
TKO.
> He had no responsibility to "go after Mccline" or "put him away early" and
> risk getting KOed himself.

Exactly. Intelligently fought. As he said after the fight: " There's more to
life than boxing, and I expect a lot from life after my boxing career."

No need to worry about a personal self-destruction after retirement there.

 
 
 

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by BoxMuh » Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:30:01

Quote:
>From: "Ivan Weiss"
>Lewis will retire before he ever gets in the ring with WK.

       Yes, I agree.

Quote:
> IMO Lewis could
>beat WK now.

         I think it's about a pick 'em.  Klit may be a little green, but he's a
very experienced fighter.  He fights like an experienced fighter.  I think he's
ready for Lewis anytime.
       Meanwhile, the clock ticks.  I applaud Lennox for taking on Vitali.  Of
course, I'd much rather see Wlad in the ring, but that's that.
       If Lewis beats Vitali, he'll likely fight Tyson again, assuming Tyson
himself stays afloat, and retire after delivering another vicious beating to
Mike.

Quote:
>In the meantime, WK can have 2-3 more fights. Tua should be one of them.

       That's the next best matchup.  As a matchup, I'd just as soon see that
one as Lewis and W. Klit.
        Tua is trying to shed the underachiever tag.  Maybe he'll do it.  If he
keeps fighting heavyweights who come to him, he'll do just fine.  But the more
elusive heavyweights, to repeat a term used here improperly recently, will
continue to "clown" Tua.  I'd make W. Klit the favorite, but we'll see.

         Reminds me again it's too bad Ibeabuchi imploded.  I think the scene
would have been interesting had he not been plumb f'ing crazy, but again,
that's that.

        Enjoy the fights.

               BoxM

 
 
 

Pre fight Merchant audio hype

Post by Evan Wilde » Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:24:30

Quote:

> I can't believe some of you guys are picking WK to beat Lewis if they
> meet,
> when WK watches Lewis beat the shit
> out of his older brother, i think WK will
> back out of the fight against Lewis, but i hope WK takes the challenge
> so Lewis can retire in style since most think WK
> is better, but both are ordinary fighters
> really in my opinion.

You're absolutely right in that neither Klitschko is
close to being someone to pick to beat Lewis unless the odds are too attractive that way and I doubt
the odds will be strongly in Lewis' favor unless he absolutely destroys Vitali early. Lewis' jab is
so much better than anything the K's have faced. McCline was able to land some on Klitschko but K.
punches so hard Jameel didn't want to take the punishment. Can't blame him there, but in comparison
to Lewis he has almost no skills and certainly going up against his jab is not going to prepare
anyone for Lewis. Lewis is way quicker than WK.
Another factor is WK's incredible caution, which will open up nothing for him and play into Lewis'
strength, the jab. I expect Lewis to knock both K's out and Wlad to be ruined after the fight like
Tyson was ruined by Douglas. Those huge punches ruin your timing and reflexes, slowing you down
forever. The McCline fight showed me that Wlad is not in the same league as Lewis by any stretch of
the imagination other than power. Saying this, Wlad has the puncher's chance of course, but he's so
cautious he'll have to get lucky before he gets wobbly.

-evan