LENNOX WANTS TYSON

LENNOX WANTS TYSON

Post by Michael W Haug » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00




: > Tyson avoided Lewis in a small window of time.  Tyson was defeated by
: > Holyfield before you could toot this horn legitimately (not that this
: has
: > ever stopped you before).

: huh?  wtf are you talking about.  you're not making ANY sense here.

Makes perfect sense.  From what I have read on rsb, you, boxing and sense
are not words that ever should be placed on the same page, let alone sentence.

: > Was it wrong that Tyson avoided him?  Yes.

: ok you're not completely stupid.  You at least acknowledge this.

Typical Brian debate.  Quite the intellectual my boy.  No reference to
either POV, just get right to the insult.  If you ever quit using
gratuitous insults in a debate, you would be rendered mute.

: > Is Lewis making noise that he
: > will be avoiding the top challengers and looking for easier, higher
: > profile, bigger money fights now?  Yes.

: Wrong again.  How is fighting Holyfield for the undisputed title
: avoiding top challengers?  Who has Lewis ever avoided?  Nobody.  Who is
: Lewis avoiding now? Nobody. Is Michael Haught a troll with no friends?
: Yes.  Is he a ***ing loser who will never go away?  Yes.

On the contrary Brian.  I have many, many people who I have many good and
enjoyable exchanges with on rsb.  Seems as though you're the only one who
gets the boner here.  Must say something about you, huh?  ;-)

: > Is this not hypocritical of Lewis
: > and his fans to wish for these fights now?  Yes.

: Huh wish for what fights?  Boxing fans have always wanted to see Lewis
: Tyson.  It would be a great clash, even now.  Only stupid trolls like
: Haught would say that it is hypocritical to want to see Tyson fight
: Lewis.

Lewis / Tyson, when Tyson was close to Tyson, yes.  Tyson who was losing
for half a fight against Botha?  That is the mentality of a young gun
going after the broken down gunfighter years past his prime for bragging
rights (i.e. coward).  From you, that does not surpise me.

: > Your wishing for this fight to come off just about says it all as to
: what
: > kind of boxing fan you are.  Simply a hero worshiping sycophant rather
: > than a fan who looks for the best matchups and the best for the sport.
: >
: > Enjoy your Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones Jr. action figures when mommy
: tucks
: > you in tonight.  ;-)

: This post says it all about you.  You're a ***ing loser who knows
: nothing about me.

Loser?  That's a laugh.  I'm actually considered a moderate success in my
field and all of my friends seem to think I'm a pretty good guy.  Again,
you seem to be a minority here.  ;-)

BTW, I know more about you than most people would care to.  You blindly
worship hero figures.  You strike out with blind hate when somebody
actually dislikes one of your hero figures.  You spout prejudiced
statements that give away your phobias and biases with glaring clarity.

I deal with criminal and disturbed individuals for a living.  You, my
friend are an open book.  Why is it so easy to get your goat, BTW?  Why so
prone to attack those who disagree with you?  Why disregard any POV in an
argument rather than use gratuitous insults?

You are an rather insecure indivdual who tries to mask it, but not very
well.  You'd be an easy person to crack in any type of interrogation
because you wear your prejudices and bias so openly.  My guess is that
you're a person who did not have a strong father figure and had a rather
smothering upbringing.  There's other possibilities, but that would be my
first guess.  Whichever way, you are used to following a *** personality
and having your mind made up for you.

But, that's only off of your juvinile stuff on rsb.  It probably be even
more fun to see you in person and all of your neuroses would jump right
out in 5 minutes.

--
        -mwh

 
 
 

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Post by EZRA MICHAEL » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

: But, that's only off of your juvinile stuff on rsb.  It probably be even
: more fun to see you in person and all of your neuroses would jump right
: out in 5 minutes.

: --
:       -mwh

   Mike-

   I don't want to get in the middle of your fight with Brian
   or take a side.  However, I do want to say that in person,
   Brian is considerably different than his internet persona.  
   So am I. So is Chee. So are the four people I've met from
   another newsgroup.  In fact, I've been amazed at how different
   peoples' personalities have been in comparison to the
   conclusions I had initially drawn about them through their
   internet and email transmissions.

   Respectfully,
   Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Bria » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> I deal with criminal and disturbed individuals for a living.

are you a cop?

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Post by BoyMa » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>And Lewis has never faced a fighter like Tyson who would deflate your will
>before the fight and deflate your body in the first few rounds.  Then take
>you out.

I don't know that Tyson's trash talk can deflate Lewis' will before the fight,
but I'm fairly certain that Mike is not a good body worker.  In fact, he's been
little but a head hunter since getting out of prison the first time.

Quote:
>Lewis does not measure up to Tyson well when comparing resumes' and
>performances over the long haul.
>--
>    -mwh

That may be so, but this much is true:  Tyson is coming off the single worst
performance of his career and Lewis is coming off his best.  That, to me, means
more than resumes.

.....BoyMayo
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Post by Patrick Keho » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Acutally Mike is a great guy... ***netically, simulationally speaking... if
words make the man... Mike's first rate!

Patrick Kehoe

Quote:




> : > Tyson avoided Lewis in a small window of time.  Tyson was defeated by
> : > Holyfield before you could toot this horn legitimately (not that this
> : has
> : > ever stopped you before).

> : huh?  wtf are you talking about.  you're not making ANY sense here.

> Makes perfect sense.  From what I have read on rsb, you, boxing and sense
> are not words that ever should be placed on the same page, let alone sentence.

> : > Was it wrong that Tyson avoided him?  Yes.

> : ok you're not completely stupid.  You at least acknowledge this.

> Typical Brian debate.  Quite the intellectual my boy.  No reference to
> either POV, just get right to the insult.  If you ever quit using
> gratuitous insults in a debate, you would be rendered mute.

> : > Is Lewis making noise that he
> : > will be avoiding the top challengers and looking for easier, higher
> : > profile, bigger money fights now?  Yes.

> : Wrong again.  How is fighting Holyfield for the undisputed title
> : avoiding top challengers?  Who has Lewis ever avoided?  Nobody.  Who is
> : Lewis avoiding now? Nobody. Is Michael Haught a troll with no friends?
> : Yes.  Is he a ***ing loser who will never go away?  Yes.

> On the contrary Brian.  I have many, many people who I have many good and
> enjoyable exchanges with on rsb.  Seems as though you're the only one who
> gets the boner here.  Must say something about you, huh?  ;-)

> : > Is this not hypocritical of Lewis
> : > and his fans to wish for these fights now?  Yes.

> : Huh wish for what fights?  Boxing fans have always wanted to see Lewis
> : Tyson.  It would be a great clash, even now.  Only stupid trolls like
> : Haught would say that it is hypocritical to want to see Tyson fight
> : Lewis.

> Lewis / Tyson, when Tyson was close to Tyson, yes.  Tyson who was losing
> for half a fight against Botha?  That is the mentality of a young gun
> going after the broken down gunfighter years past his prime for bragging
> rights (i.e. coward).  From you, that does not surpise me.

> : > Your wishing for this fight to come off just about says it all as to
> : what
> : > kind of boxing fan you are.  Simply a hero worshiping sycophant rather
> : > than a fan who looks for the best matchups and the best for the sport.
> : >
> : > Enjoy your Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones Jr. action figures when mommy
> : tucks
> : > you in tonight.  ;-)

> : This post says it all about you.  You're a ***ing loser who knows
> : nothing about me.

> Loser?  That's a laugh.  I'm actually considered a moderate success in my
> field and all of my friends seem to think I'm a pretty good guy.  Again,
> you seem to be a minority here.  ;-)

> BTW, I know more about you than most people would care to.  You blindly
> worship hero figures.  You strike out with blind hate when somebody
> actually dislikes one of your hero figures.  You spout prejudiced
> statements that give away your phobias and biases with glaring clarity.

> I deal with criminal and disturbed individuals for a living.  You, my
> friend are an open book.  Why is it so easy to get your goat, BTW?  Why so
> prone to attack those who disagree with you?  Why disregard any POV in an
> argument rather than use gratuitous insults?

> You are an rather insecure indivdual who tries to mask it, but not very
> well.  You'd be an easy person to crack in any type of interrogation
> because you wear your prejudices and bias so openly.  My guess is that
> you're a person who did not have a strong father figure and had a rather
> smothering upbringing.  There's other possibilities, but that would be my
> first guess.  Whichever way, you are used to following a *** personality
> and having your mind made up for you.

> But, that's only off of your juvinile stuff on rsb.  It probably be even
> more fun to see you in person and all of your neuroses would jump right
> out in 5 minutes.

> --
>         -mwh

 
 
 

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Post by David Smy » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>          Who was ducking Tyson in his prime?  Holyfield called for Tyson for a
>year as #1 contender.  Foreman was calling very loudly for Tyson throughout

Holyfield fought his first heavyweight bout in December 1988 against
Pinklon Thomas.  Tyson lost his title to Douglas February 1990.

I guess you believe Holyfield's win over Thomas was enough to give him
#1 contender status?

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Post by BoxMuh » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>Lewis does not measure up to Tyson well when comparing resumes' and
>performances over the long haul.

         The key to evaluating "resumes and performances over the long haul" is
to look at the fighter's opposition.  It's clear that almost every time Tyson
"stepped up" from the nonames of the heavyweight division, he wasn't the
ko-artist he was against the Trevor Berbicks of the world.  Tyson never beat a
great heavyweight.  He certainly beat a lot of 2nd rate heavyweights.  But
almost every good heavyweight he faced in his prime took him the distance, and
Tyson never looked "great" in such matchups.
        I like Tyson's flash and killer instinct, but he was always highly
overrated.  Bowe, Holyfield and probably Lewis at their best would beat Tyson
at his best 9 times out of 10.  

           Boxmuhammad

 
 
 

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Post by Truhart » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Tyson avoided Lewis in a small window of time.  

So if you only duck someone for a short while before you get locked up, it's
not really ducking? I suppose you'd have to throw them about $4M to step aside
before it could really be considered ducking though.

Iain

 
 
 

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Post by Bria » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>        I like Tyson's flash and killer instinct, but he was always highly
>overrated.  Bowe, Holyfield and probably Lewis at their best would beat Tyson
>at his best 9 times out of 10.  

I agree.  I especially have always felt that Bowe would really match up well
against Tyson.  Bowe would have been able to really put Tyson in a bad position.
I think Bowe and Lewis would cause Tyson even more problems than Holyfield did.
 
 
 

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Post by Michael Haugh » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>: But, that's only off of your juvinile stuff on rsb.  It probably be even
>: more fun to see you in person and all of your neuroses would jump right
>: out in 5 minutes.

>: --
>: -mwh

>   Mike-

>   I don't want to get in the middle of your fight with Brian
>   or take a side.  However, I do want to say that in person,
>   Brian is considerably different than his internet persona.
>   So am I. So is Chee. So are the four people I've met from
>   another newsgroup.  In fact, I've been amazed at how different
>   peoples' personalities have been in comparison to the
>   conclusions I had initially drawn about them through their
>   internet and email transmissions.

>   Respectfully,
>   Mike

Very well could be.  A person's communications in writing, speaking and
non-verbals do provide distinct personality traits.  That is just my on the
surface take.

BTW, after receiving a few emails from folks here on rsb asking me not play
down to Brian's level, I'm out of this flame war.

My apologies for my part in disrupting the newsgroup.

    -mwh

 
 
 

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Post by Michael Haugh » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Tyson avoided Lewis in a small window of time.

>So if you only duck someone for a short while before you get locked up,
it's
>not really ducking? I suppose you'd have to throw them about $4M to step
aside
>before it could really be considered ducking though.

>Iain

That  was in response to a comment to the effect of, "Tyson ducked Lewis his
entire career."

    -mwh

 
 
 

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Post by Bria » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>My apologies for my part in disrupting the newsgroup.

I would also like to apologize for contributing to another stupid flame war.  Of
course I could have avoided this entirely if I'd just not read this newsgroup
through dejanews which doesn't have a filtering feature...when I saw Haught
acting disrespectful again I couldn't resist firing back but that was foolish
and I should have refrained from doing so.

Well I just won't read this newsgroup through deja I'll go back to killfiling
and ignoring all reference to him forthwith.

We have Roy Jones on tonight!

 
 
 

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Post by David Smy » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>         The key to evaluating "resumes and performances over the long haul" is
>to look at the fighter's opposition.  It's clear that almost every time Tyson
>"stepped up" from the nonames of the heavyweight division, he wasn't the
>ko-artist he was against the Trevor Berbicks of the world.  Tyson never beat a
>great heavyweight.  He certainly beat a lot of 2nd rate heavyweights.  But
>almost every good heavyweight he faced in his prime took him the distance, and
>Tyson never looked "great" in such matchups.
>        I like Tyson's flash and killer instinct, but he was always highly
>overrated.  Bowe, Holyfield and probably Lewis at their best would beat Tyson
>at his best 9 times out of 10.  

>           Boxmuhammad

The above is so much rubbish.

If what you say is true then we'll just discard Ali's career during
the 60's.  The only decent man he ever faced was a past his prime
Liston who handed Ali both his victories.  Chuvalo, Bugner (twice),
Lubbers and many more took Ali the distance.

What of Marciano?  All he ever beat were a bunch of old and fight
weary men, some of them multiple times.

Joe Louis?  During his prime the best boxer he ever fought was a light
heavy named Billy Conn.  And he looked pretty bad against Conn.  Louis
was also considered fortunate to have been given the decision over
Tommy Farr in his first title defence.

Dempsey?  The highlight of his career was a victory over the former
light heavy Carpentier.  He outweighed Georges by around 16 lbs.

Tyson is the youngest heavyweight to hold an alphabet title.  He is
the only heavy to single handedly unify the titles.  His name appears
twice in the list of the top five shortest ever heavyweight bouts.  He
was not beaten or knocked down during his first 34 fights - something
which Holyfield, Lewis,  Ali, Louis and Dempsy cannot claim to have
achieved.  His KO rate is comparable to a prime George Foreman.

People should remember that despite everything two men still have only
ever beaten Tyson.  His loss against Douglas can only be viewed as
something of an aberration.  The other, Holyfield, was recently rated
the third greatest heavyweight of all time.

 
 
 

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Post by BoxMuh » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>The only decent man he ever faced was a past his prime
>Liston who handed Ali both his victories.

      The "only decent fighter" Ali ever faced in the '60's was Sonny Liston?
Ernie Terrell, Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Williams, Zora Foley, Doug Jones.....
 Your statement is bogus.  
      You say Liston "handed" Ali the first fight?!  Pure b.s.!   Ali
manhandled Liston and made him quit.  You should watch the fight some time.

Quote:
>Chuvalo, Bugner (twice),
>Lubbers and many more took Ali the distance.

         Chuvalo took everyone the distance, and is regarded as having one of
the best chins in heavyweight history.  Using Chuvalo as an example of someone
who took Ali the distance in an attempt to lesson Ali's achievement makes no
sense.  And who the hell is "Lubbers?"

Quote:
>What of Marciano?  All he ever beat were a bunch of old and fight
>weary men,

        Uh.......  Huh?  All Marciano ever beat was "a bunch of old and fight
weary men?"  You weaken your argument again.

Quote:
>Dempsey?  The highlight of his career was a victory over the former
>light heavy Carpentier.

         I'd say the highlight of Dempsey's career was his crushing of 6' 5"
champion Jess Willard, or his crushing of Luis Firpo.  

Quote:
>He (Tyson)
>was not beaten or knocked down during his first 34 fights - something
>which Holyfield, Lewis,  Ali, Louis and Dempsy cannot claim to have
>achieved.

      Doesn't matter much when you compare Tyson to Ali or Louis or Foreman et.
al.  head-to-head!

Quote:
>His KO rate is comparable to a prime George Foreman.

       Prime Foreman would have crushed prime Tyson in the ring.

Quote:
>His loss against Douglas can only be viewed as
>something of an aberration.

       Douglas was great that night, and he beat Tyson from pillar to post.
The Tokyo Douglas was far better than anyone Tyson had faced up to that time.

Quote:
>The other, Holyfield, was recently rated
>the third greatest heavyweight of all time.

        If you really believe Holyfield is the third greatest heavyweight of
all time, then you oughtta head back to the drawing board.  What's left of "The
Ring" far overflated Holyfield's true standing in history.  

            Boxmuhammad

 
 
 

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Post by Ivan Weis » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> >This may sound cold, but I would expect Tyson's management to throw him in
> >with Lewis as soon as the fight can be made, for as much money as they can
> >get. Look at Tyson's history. Does it make any sense, strictly from the
> >cash standpoint, to make *any* long-term plans involving him?

> I don't think they'd do that.  Why not take $10 million (or so) at a time
> for fighting guys they think he can still beat as opposed to $25 million -
> $30 million where he gets his ass kicked and spoils his 'image', as it is?

One simple reason: Between one $10 million fight and the next, he might go
psycho and kill somebody.

Ivan Weiss   INEXPEDIENT, adj. Not calculated to advance one's interests.
Vashon WA    -- Ambrose Bierce: The Devil's Dictionary