Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by RikkiTav » Tue, 07 Nov 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> How do they stack up?

> MJW

I believe that Mosely is faster than Leonard.  I also believe that Mosely
hits harder.

RikkiTavi

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Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by pabl » Tue, 07 Nov 2000 04:00:00

SRR fought some major legends, grew all the way from welter to light
heavyweight, and was involved in some legerndary fights against Hearns and
Duran. Mosley's career is a bit more pedestrian up to this point.

I do think Mosley currently is the best fighter in the sport of boxing. He
combines great skills with a good attitude of not going for total
mismatches. That said, I *knew* Diaz didn't stand a chance going into the
fight. I would like to see Mosley matched against opponents that can give
him something back. Gatti? Please, I gotta yawn. Mosley will blow away
Gatti, Gatti could not land a glove on Mosley while getting countered the
hell out of him, and blowing up like an over-ripe tomato. Guys like Forrest
or Page might not be HBO darlings, but***that, the game of boxing needs
to see those competitive matchups. And if Mosley does not seek them, his
career will pass him by without being able to even remotely compare against
Sugar Ray Leonard's.

Up to this point, I think Sugar Ray Leonard clearly *proved* that I ought to
give him the edge over Mosley. One is an all time great, the other not.
Also, I think SRR punched harder at welterweight, had a significantly better
defense, and a more varied offense. Note SRR is not my favorite fighter of
all time, but heck, he *earned* respect by fighting the best when he had to
prove his point. Mosley has a good attitude, yet as of now not good enough.
Diaz was not a tough test, he was a somewhat pedestrian challenger, and I am
not saying that in hindsight, I just don't fall for HBO hype of selling that
for an evenly matched championship fight.

...pablo

 
 
 

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by Mike Haugh » Tue, 07 Nov 2000 04:00:00

In a previous episode of this thread on, Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:42:30

Quote:

>SRR fought some major legends, grew all the way from welter to light
>heavyweight, and was involved in some legerndary fights against Hearns and
>Duran. Mosley's career is a bit more pedestrian up to this point.

<snip>
Pssst!  Pablo!!  Instead of "SRR," I do believe you meant to
abbreviate Sugar Ray Leonard with the initials SRL, correct?  

        -mwh

 
 
 

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by Mi28 » Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:04:13

How do they stack up?

MJW

 
 
 

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by Peter G Delly » Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:00:00


I would like to see Mosley matched against opponents that can give

Quote:
> him something back.

Taylor.

 Gatti? Please, I gotta yawn.

A slaughter.

Guys like Forrest

Quote:
> or Page might not be HBO darlings, but***that, the game of boxing
needs
> to see those competitive matchups.

Taylor.

I don't care anymore whether Taylor wins or loses, but for Chrissakes it
would be a FIGHT!

Gatti's and Taylor's styles are similar only that Taylor hits twice as hard.
He never stops coming forward, he's got a granite chin and more ring smarts
than anyone here gives him credit for. He's never been staggered, knocked
down or KO'd. He's undefeated and has the scalps of five ex world title
holders, all by KO in five rounds or less.

If  there is anyone out there (other than Oscar) that has better credentials
for a crack at SSM, I'd like to know who they are.

 
 
 

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by sternocleidomast.. » Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> > Also, I think SRR punched harder at welterweight

He did indeed, particularly with the left hook, but Mosley is still
adjusting to the weight and his power has taken a quantum leap from the
Wilfredo Rivera fight up to the Diaz bout.

, had a significantly better

Quote:
> defense,

Mosley is doing a lot of slipping, dodging and moving his waist but I
don't see as much blocking as he used to but Leonard fought with his
hand down against Kalule and Bonds to name just a few, when they both
decide to use their orthodox defence I rate Mosley ahead of SRL.

 and a more varied offense.

What? Care to elaborate on this point?

 Note SRR is not my favorite fighter of

Quote:
> all time, but heck, he *earned* respect by fighting the best when he
had to
> prove his point. Mosley has a good attitude, yet as of now not good
enough.
> Diaz was not a tough test, he was a somewhat pedestrian challenger,

Which just about everybody rate in the top 5 at Junior-Welterweight.

and I am

Quote:
> not saying that in hindsight, I just don't fall for HBO hype of
selling that
> for an evenly matched championship fight.

Don't confuse the hype heaped onto a bum like Maskaev (3rd best
heavyweight on the planet? Yeah, right!!!) with a total package and
future legend like Mosley.

Doc Andre

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Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by sternocleidomast.. » Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> If  there is anyone out there (other than Oscar) that has better
credentials
> for a crack at SSM, I'd like to know who they are.

Taylor certainly is durable, strong, good puncher and wants to win but
there's quite a number of fighters I rather watch VS. Sugar:

Kostya Tszyu
Ike Quartey (at 150/151)
Jose Luis Lopez
James Page
Vernon Forrest (then again maybe not)
Oscar De La Hoya
Fernando Vargas
Felix Trinidad

For some reason I couldn't care less for a Zab Judah challenge.

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Post by COBALT19 » Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>I also believe that Mosely hits harder.<

If you can, get a tape of the Leonard-Davey Boy Green fight.

Brian Davis
Riverdale, IL

 
 
 

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by Ramon Plaz » Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:00:00

I go with Shane: same skills but more POWER.

R.


Quote:
> How do they stack up?

> MJW

 
 
 

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by pabl » Wed, 08 Nov 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> ..
> Pssst!  Pablo!!  Instead of "SRR," I do believe you meant to
> abbreviate Sugar Ray Leonard with the initials SRL, correct?

Oh, damn, yes. Thanks for the catch.

...pablo

 
 
 

Compare: Sugar Ray Leonard and Mosley

Post by 'Dashing' Nick La Ros » Thu, 09 Nov 2000 07:16:00

Ok. I gotta bite here.

NO WAY Mosley is faster that Leonard was in his prime (look back to his
younger days don't htink of him as the old man he finished up).

Foot speed is also a key ingredient here. Leonard was difficult to catch
when he was dancing. Mosley doesn't seem to use his footwork in the same
way. Sure he changes angles and so on but he doesn't use it to put
distance on his opponnent and close it when he feels like it the way
Leonard could.

Watch Leonard in any superfight and he *starts* and *finishes* with the
absolute confidence that he will win. Watch that first Hearns fight
where Hearns is piling on the points and watch Leonard's eyes and body
language. At all times he is sure that he will - win no matter what.

Compare to Mosley vs Oscar. Sure Mosley edged out a decision. But watch
those first six rounds again and tell me there weren't moments where
Mosley seemed to be doubting his ability to pull that fight out. He came
on strong at the end which is what a champion does.

I am not suggesting that Mosley isn't likely to be a worthy boxer of the
moniker, and nor that he can't become a great fighter and legend. I do,
doubt that he would have beaten Leonard. Picture a prime Benitez,
Hearns, Duran and tell me how Mosley would have fared against these
greats. Benitez with his slick and dangerous counterpunching, Hearns
with that rapier jab and piston right hand and Duran with that constant
pressure. Picture 15 rounds against these guys.

Ahhh....the good old days....when boxers actually wanted to fight the
best to be the best.

Nick
===--->> Exit, stage right even!

 
 
 

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Post by Peter G Delly » Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:22:47

<> Taylor certainly is durable, strong, good puncher and wants to win but

Quote:
> there's quite a number of fighters I rather watch VS. Sugar:

> Kostya Tszyu

Just won't happen, but that's not to say I wouldn't pay to see it.

Quote:
> Ike Quartey (at 150/151)

I'd like to watch this one too, but we were talikng about who deserves a
shot. Big difference.

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> Jose Luis Lopez

More rust than the Titanic.

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> James Page

Yes, a good fight, but a no-brainer for Mosley

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> Vernon Forrest (then again maybe not)

He deserves a shot.

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> Oscar De La Hoya

He doesn't.

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> Fernando Vargas

When/if Shane moves up to 154.

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> Felix Trinidad

Ditto, and probably about the best fight out there.

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> For some reason I couldn't care less for a Zab Judah challenge.

When Kostya bursts his bubble, this one won't rank on anyone's list.

I think you helped me make my point.We have to look down to 140 or up to 154
to find a contender. Realistically, we really only have Page, Forrest,
Taylor and ODLH. Lopez would need at least one, probably two fights to make
it, and even then, I cannot see him extending Mosley. Forrest is very good,
but Mosley does what he does, but better. Page is underrated IMO, and has
the punch to hurt Mosley. I don't think he has the skill set to win on
points.

Taylor has 80% of Mosley's skills, at least as a good a jaw, and hits harder
than all of the above. Above all, Taylor will come to fight, and it would be
a tremendous spectacle. I think Taylor would feel him out and then mount a
big body attack.
If Shane even hints at taking a snooze during the bout (which he is inclined
to do) then he is in trouble. If it turns into a test of skills, Shane wins
by a big points decision. If it turns into a test of wills, Taylor could
easily put in the upset of the decade.

That's about as unbiased as this Aussie can be :)

Peter