Oscar wants Kostya in September

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00


It was reported today that Oscar has told the Mexican press that he would
like to fight Kostya Tszu in September, as he wants to "fight a puncher".
You got that one right, my boy! Hmmm, I hope he makes a title defence
before then , or his reign as champ might be rather short.

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by monte christens » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>It was reported today that Oscar has told the Mexican press that he would
>like to fight Kostya Tszu in September, as he wants to "fight a puncher".
>You got that one right, my boy! Hmmm, I hope he makes a title defence
>before then , or his reign as champ might be rather short.

My guess on this fight is that Oscar will be at LEAST a 3-1 favorite over
the untested Tszyu.  If the odds are less than 2-1 for Oscar I will
make a extermely large wager on DLH.  Even in Autstralia the odds have to
be 3-1 or so.  Tszyu has beaten such worthy opponents as Corey Johnson who
just came off of a draw with a Australian club fighter, Pineda in a fight
in which he was down, Roger Mayweather, and Rodriquez.

He is also short compared to DLH and that jab will kill him.  He has
horrible defense and is slow.  He is like tailor made for DLH.  Sure,
he could win by a one punch KO but him winning on points seems
very unlikely.  And if DLH just boxes him from the outside he
either scores a easy UD12 or a KO.  Maybe a TKO after Kosta get
tired of having his head punched by that jab.  

--
Monte Christensen              | "Work is causing me to lose my religion"


 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Joe Talmad » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> It was reported today that Oscar has told the Mexican press that he would
> like to fight Kostya Tszu in September, as he wants to "fight a puncher".
> You got that one right, my boy! Hmmm, I hope he makes a title defence
> before then , or his reign as champ might be rather short.

Exactly the right move for Oscar!  Should be good; for now I'll
predict Oscar by late round KO.  Kostya better tighten up that
defense!

Joe


 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Ivan Weis » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> It was reported today that Oscar has told the Mexican press that he would
> like to fight Kostya Tszu in September, as he wants to "fight a puncher".
> You got that one right, my boy! Hmmm, I hope he makes a title defence
> before then , or his reign as champ might be rather short.

Styles make fights. I am a big fan of Kostya but his style is just made
for Oscar. Oscar has one of the most accurate, punishing jabs in the
business. Kostya holds his hands way too low and relies on reflexes and
head movement to provide his defense. Does anyone really think Oscar would
let Kostya anywhere near him? Oscar KO 7, and he would beat Kostya to a
***y pulp doing it.

This is no slam on Kostya. Potentially he can whip everybody else in the
world at 140, and remain unbeaten for a good long time. I love to watch
him fight. But he is not leaning any defense and as such he would be dead
meat for Oscar.

Ivan Weiss
Seattle Times

Standard disclaimer

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Alejandro Olag » Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>> It was reported today that Oscar has told the Mexican press that he would
>> like to fight Kostya Tszu in September, as he wants to "fight a puncher".
>> You got that one right, my boy! Hmmm, I hope he makes a title defence
>> before then , or his reign as champ might be rather short.

>Exactly the right move for Oscar!  Should be good; for now I'll
>predict Oscar by late round KO.  Kostya better tighten up that
>defense!

It was agreed between all parties that the MAGO would get a crack at
the winner of Chavez/DLH. If Oscar doesn't, he'll likely get stripped.
If so, Chavez, who I predict will be installed as the #2 contender,
will square of with Gonzalez. This is pure conjecture mind you, as
Tszyu has a mandatory in Sept....

Alejandro

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by TO.. » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I doubt it...Kostya has very little to offer against Oscar. His right
hand is very fast, but that's about it, and he'll have a fair amount of
reach to make up for. Oscar on the other hand looked flawless against
Chaves, he's got it all.

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> My guess on this fight is that Oscar will be at LEAST a 3-1 favorite over
> the untested Tszyu.  If the odds are less than 2-1 for Oscar I will
> make a extermely large wager on DLH.

Well, you can make it with me if you like:) Other than to the bettor,
odds mean nothing.
 Even in Autstralia the odds have to

Quote:
> be 3-1 or so.  Tszyu has beaten such worthy opponents as Corey Johnson who
> just came off of a draw with a Australian club fighter, Pineda in a fight

Pineda is Colombian, not Australian.

Quote:
> in which he was down,

So what if he has been down ? If it does, Oscar has been down twice,
so I don't think mentioning that supports your case. At least Kostya
was put down by a good punch from a fair fighter. You can't say that
about the nobodies that sat the golden boy on his ***

 Roger Mayweather, and Rodriquez.

Quote:

> He is also short compared to DLH and that jab will kill him.  He has
> horrible defense and is slow.

You really can't have seen Tszu fight to say this. If you have, the
comments are nonsensical. Oscar is made to measure for Kostya, who will
will take great advantage of Oscar's rather flat footed stance.

 He is like tailor made for DLH.  Sure,

Quote:
> he could win by a one punch KO but him winning on points seems
> very unlikely.  And if DLH just boxes him from the outside he
> either scores a easy UD12 or a KO.  Maybe a TKO after Kosta get
> tired of having his head punched by that jab.

Oscar has never been hit by the likes of Kostya Tszu. When he does,
he wil run, but will not be able to hide. If it goes the distance, an
easy UD to Kostya. My bet is that Kostya wil knock him cold by the 8th,
as Kostya's superior fitness and ringcraft simply prove too much.
Whatever, it will be a better fight than the Chavez bout.
We'll just have to wait and see, eh:)
 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by monte christens » Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:00:00



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Quote:

>Oscar has never been hit by the likes of Kostya Tszu. When he does,
>he wil run, but will not be able to hide. If it goes the distance, an
>easy UD to Kostya. My bet is that Kostya wil knock him cold by the 8th,
>as Kostya's superior fitness and ringcraft simply prove too much.
>Whatever, it will be a better fight than the Chavez bout.
>We'll just have to wait and see, eh:)

I will just sum up my opinions of Tszyu.

He had a good win over a very average Jake Rodriquez.  
His fight with Mayweather was horrible.
Most of us think he lost to Hector Lopez or at least a draw.
He has since beaten Pineda who is very average.
His win over corey Johnson is OK but again Johnson is only
a average fighter.  In fact Johnson had a draw with Australian
Shannon Taylor who I think is also very average.

DLH hasn't been down in a long time.  He has since faced hard punchers
in Ruelas and Chavez.  His competition is way better than Tszyu.

Name me one fighter that Tszyu beat that even compares to:

Chavez, Ruelas, Hernandez, Molina, Leija.  

Tszyu does hit very hard.  But he is short and is slow. He
also has horrible defense and is pretty easy to hit.  That
is why I think the odds will bd 3-1 or more in favor of DLH.
Of course the odds don't mean that Tszyu can't win but in general
a 3-1 favorite will win about 75% of those matches in the long run.
The odds made by bookmakers are usually pretty accurate, not all
the time but certainly on average.

--
Monte Christensen              | "Work is causing me to lose my religion"

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Phrank Da Slugg » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Agreed, agreed, agreed, Monte...

Unless he fights Trinidad tomorrow, there is NO ONE who weighs less than
Terry Norris who will beat De La Hoya...

Phrank Da Slugger

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> I doubt it...Kostya has very little to offer against Oscar. His right
> hand is very fast, but that's about it, and he'll have a fair amount of
> reach to make up for. Oscar on the other hand looked flawless against
> Chaves, he's got it all.

No mater how much Oscar wants Kostya in September, he can't have him, as
the IBF will insist that he fight Bergman first, and let me tell you that
will be one hell of a fight. Personally, I'd rather see Bergman fight DLH
first, and then Bergman and Tszu can unify the title. Think I'm joking?
DLH indeed looked awesome against Chavez, but Chavez looked out of place
and past it from round 1. Too old, too slow. Bergman would give DLH the fight
of his life, believe me. I'd tip Bergman to take a UD, then Kostya by UD
against Bergman. Reach would count for little, Kostya would crash his rib
cage to bits, then take the head off. Don't get me wrong. DLH is one of
the best fighters I've ever seen at any weight at any time. But Kostya Tszu
is a freak, and he will retire undefeated at the time of his choosing.
 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Agostino Teol » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > I doubt it...Kostya has very little to offer against Oscar. His right
> > hand is very fast, but that's about it, and he'll have a fair amount of
> > reach to make up for. Oscar on the other hand looked flawless against
> > Chaves, he's got it all.

> No mater how much Oscar wants Kostya in September, he can't have him, as
> the IBF will insist that he fight Bergman first, and let me tell you that
> will be one hell of a fight. Personally, I'd rather see Bergman fight DLH
> first, and then Bergman and Tszu can unify the title. Think I'm joking?
> DLH indeed looked awesome against Chavez, but Chavez looked out of place
> and past it from round 1. Too old, too slow. Bergman would give DLH the fight
> of his life, believe me. I'd tip Bergman to take a UD, then Kostya by UD
> against Bergman. Reach would count for little, Kostya would crash his rib
> cage to bits, then take the head off. Don't get me wrong. DLH is one of
> the best fighters I've ever seen at any weight at any time. But Kostya Tszu
> is a freak, and he will retire undefeated at the time of his choosing.

Hi Debra,

I to would like to see Tzsyu-De la Hoya go against each other, this would
probably one of the best fights of the year.  I'm tired of Oscar beating
up on boxers that have left their best years behind, like Chavez, a
match-up with Tzsyu would be HUGE stepping stone for either boxer.  I
beleive that the winner of this fight would convince any skeptic of his
talents and the loser (if the loser gives a descent fight) would still
gain somekind of respect.  In the case of De la

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Agostino Teol » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > I doubt it...Kostya has very little to offer against Oscar. His right
> > hand is very fast, but that's about it, and he'll have a fair amount of
> > reach to make up for. Oscar on the other hand looked flawless against
> > Chaves, he's got it all.

> No mater how much Oscar wants Kostya in September, he can't have him, as
> the IBF will insist that he fight Bergman first, and let me tell you that
> will be one hell of a fight. Personally, I'd rather see Bergman fight DLH
> first, and then Bergman and Tszu can unify the title. Think I'm joking?
> DLH indeed looked awesome against Chavez, but Chavez looked out of place
> and past it from round 1. Too old, too slow. Bergman would give DLH the fight
> of his life, believe me. I'd tip Bergman to take a UD, then Kostya by UD
> against Bergman. Reach would count for little, Kostya would crash his rib
> cage to bits, then take the head off. Don't get me wrong. DLH is one of
> the best fighters I've ever seen at any weight at any time. But Kostya Tszu
> is a freak, and he will retire undefeated at the time of his choosing.

Hi Debra,

I to would like to see Tzsyu-De la Hoya go against each other, this would
probably one of the best fights of the year.  I'm tired of Oscar beating
up on boxers that have left their best years behind, like Chavez, a
match-up with Tzsyu would be HUGE stepping stone for either boxer.  I
beleive that the winner of this fight would convince any skeptic of his
talents and the loser (if the loser gives a descent fight) would still
gain somekind of respect.  In the case of De la Hoya, there is still many
questions with no answers, because in most of his fights, his opponents
bowed out early before they could give De la Hoya any real trouble.  Can
De la Hoya take a FIGHTER like Tzsyu? I do mean FIGHTER, because that's
what he is, and a good one at that.  Would De La Hoya's chin be able to
take the awesome power of Tzsyu right? The only REAL fighter that De La
Hoya faced in the past couple of years was John-John Molina, and Molina
gave De LA Hoya a good fight, besides Tzsyu is heavier puncher than
Molina.  In Tzsyu case, yahh...he's faced a couple of old guys like
Mayweather, guys he should of put away early instead of going the
distance and i was telling myself......this guy is just a punk whose
going to have his bell rung badly someday....but you what really
convinced me that Tzsyu was for REAL...the Pineda fight.  When a boxer
can come back like that after  being knockdown in the first
round....well, you've got my vote! After that knockdown, Tzsyu beat
Pineda to *** pulp...real bad.  In regards to Pineda credibility, well
he was no push over...that's for sure, he was a young, heavy hitter in
his prime.  The only problem that Tzsyu has is his defence and lack of
speed, which will prove to be important in a De La Hoya confrontation.
Therefore, how will De La Hoya's skill and power as a boxer fair up
against a fisty heavy puncher like Tszyu? Well i hope we will find out
this year.

TINO

 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by Peter G Delly » Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Agreed, agreed, agreed, Monte...

> Unless he fights Trinidad tomorrow, there is NO ONE who weighs less than
> Terry Norris who will beat De La Hoya...

> Phrank Da Slugger

Phrank, I have printed your comments and have them hung over my PC.
When the fight happens (please let it happen) I will remind you of this,
and hound you mercilessly:)) Should Kostya lose, I'll get a giant
rasberry that will be heard all the way to Perth, correct?
 
 
 

Oscar wants Kostya in September

Post by SFrost52 » Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:00:00

If Oscar could not destroy Kostya handily Mr. Bob (put it on CC then show
it free a week later) Arum would never let it happen.  Then again, it
could just be a lot of talk to make us all e***d so we fork over big
bucks for the nex t closed circuit extravaganza,  which might not be
Kostya at all.  
Let me go on the record anyway as saying Oscar de la Hoya is a great
champion and athlete.  Too bad professional boxing is so rotten, at least
in tems o promotion and matchmaking.