New Great White Hope: Jeremy Wariner!!!!!

New Great White Hope: Jeremy Wariner!!!!!

Post by E. Junts » Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:08:07


Its just what sports needs!   Now if only boxing could get one.
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Olympics: Track & Field NewsCool, calm Wariner leads U.S. sweep of
men's 400
By BOB BAUM, AP Sports Writer

August 24, 2004

ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Jeremy Wariner is just 20 years old. He just
led a U.S. sweep in the 400 meters at the Olympic Games.

So c'mon kid, get e***d!

Cool, calm and with a fluid running style all his own, the lean Baylor
University student raced to the gold medal Monday night wearing
sunglasses, two earrings and a jingling necklace. After crossing the
line, he waved a U.S. flag and embraced the teammates who finished
right behind him. But there was no massive show of emotion.

That's not his style.

``It hasn't sunk in yet,'' he said. ``I have a four-by-four relay I've
got to concentrate on. It's going to hit me in a couple of days but
I've got to get focused right now.''

So it was left to others to marvel at the talent exhibited by Wariner,
who outsprinted teammate Otis Harris down the stretch to win in a
personal-best 44 seconds flat, the fastest time in the world this
year.

``I've never seen a white man run that fast,'' said Grenada's Alleyne
Francique, who was supposed to be Wariner's biggest threat but
finished fourth. ``It was a blazing race, man. The kid is good.''

Wariner has become accustomed to the race issue, as a rare white man
running sprints that traditionally have been dominated by blacks.

``It doesn't matter what race you are,'' Wariner said. ``It's just
ability. I've had a great coach, and he knows what he's doing.''

Harris, 22, was second in 44.16. Derek Brew, the old man of the U.S.
crew at 26, finished third in 44.42.

The United States has dominated the event since 1984, winning 13 of
the 18 medals in the last six Olympics. Americans also swept at the
1988 Seoul Games.

The three Americans hugged in the finish area, then began a slow
victory lap with three U.S. flags.

``We're definitely going to take the 400 meters back to where Michael
Johnson left off,'' Harris said. ``You know the young guys here are
definitely e***d about the future.''

Wariner has been tabbed the successor to Johnson, who ruled the 400
for more than a decade, still holds the world record of 43.18, and won
gold medals in the 1996 and 2000 games. Wariner even has Johnson's old
coach, Clyde Hart.

``I'm happy for Jeremy, but I'm so very happy for coach because I
think a lot of people didn't give him the credit he deserved,'' said
Johnson, who was in Athens as a commentator for the BBC. ``He's just
an incredible coach and it's because he's a teacher. He teaches
athletes how to run.''

The United States has won 18 of the 24 times the event has been held
in the Olympics, including four medal sweeps -- 1904, 1968, 1988 and
this summer.

 
 
 

New Great White Hope: Jeremy Wariner!!!!!

Post by Miss Sharon Co » Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:02:03

Don't you find that a tad racist?
Sharon

 
 
 

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Post by Cass » Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:22:46


Quote:
> Don't you find that a tad racist?
> Sharon

In a way yes, but in a way no.  Facts are facts.  Jeremy is the first
white man to hold the year's world record in this sport since 1964!!
Even my black friends are impressed!

Cassie

 
 
 

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Post by Krazy » Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:52:45


Quote:
> Don't you find that a tad racist?
> Sharon

I see nothing racist about it. It's actually common for people to wish
the best for their race.

KK

 
 
 

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Post by walter mitt » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:35:17

Quote:


>>Don't you find that a tad racist?
>>Sharon

> I see nothing racist about it. It's actually common for people to wish
> the best for their race.

Black and White are not races.
 
 
 

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Post by Wyatt Ear » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:32:31



Quote:


>> Don't you find that a tad racist?
>> Sharon

> In a way yes, but in a way no.  Facts are facts.  Jeremy is the first
> white man to hold the year's world record in this sport since 1964!!
> Even my black friends are impressed!

> Cassie

Get your facts right. Viktor Markin was world No.1 in 1980, the year he won
the Olympic title and he was white.
 
 
 

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Post by Locutu » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:56:10


Quote:




Quote:

> >>Don't you find that a tad racist?
> >>Sharon

> > I see nothing racist about it. It's actually common for people to wish
> > the best for their race.

> Black and White are not races.

Then this obviously is not "racist"
 
 
 

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Post by HistoryFa » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:08:20

        If Jeremy Wariner is Caucasian, then his accomplishments in track
and field are certainly amazing.  The first time I saw Wariner, I figured he
must be a very light-skinned black guy.
 
 
 

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Post by HistoryFa » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:09:43

Quote:
> Get your facts right. Viktor Markin was world No.1 in 1980, the year he
> won
> the Olympic title and he was white.

        I doubt he would have won the Olympic title in 1980 if the USA
hadn't boycotted the Moscow games.
 
 
 

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Post by HistoryFa » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:17:12

Quote:
>        I doubt he would have won the Olympic title in 1980 if the USA
> hadn't boycotted the Moscow games.

      I should add that more than 60 nations boycotted the 1980 Summer
Olympics in Moscow, Russia.
 
 
 

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Post by Wyatt Ear » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:07:33



Quote:
>>        I doubt he would have won the Olympic title in 1980 if the USA
>> hadn't boycotted the Moscow games.

>     I should add that more than 60 nations boycotted the 1980 Summer
> Olympics in Moscow, Russia.

The great German Harald Schmid was world No.1 at 400m in 1979. Schmid's main
event was the 400m Hurdles and he actually was the last man to defeat Ed
Moses at the event before Moses went on that 10 year win streak.

Fact is there have been great white athletes over the years so lets not get
carried away with Warriner.

By the way the great Cuban Alberto Juantorena was world No. 1 at 400m in
1974, 1976 - 1978 and defeated the top US athletes whilst winning the
400m/800m double at the Montreal Games. He appears to be Caucasian to me.

 
 
 

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Post by pabl » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:23:07

Thomas Schoenlebe won the 400m WC in '87. There have always been competitive
Caucasians in all sprint disciplines quite regularly, but people prefer to
close their eyes to it just like they do with the occasional black swimmers.
It's easier to ignore them as statistical freaks rather than as an
indication that such differences don't need to be, and are mostly a product
of social conditioning.

Superb athletes represent the statistical anomaly within any population
group.

...pablo

 
 
 

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Post by Miss Sharon Co » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:03:03

Quote:
>I see nothing racist about it. It's actually common for people to wish
>the best for their race.

Only when color is not an issue will this  be a non reacist society.

I was married to a white boxer, but often rooted for black boxers against white
boxers.  How stupid would a true boxing fan have to be to want someone to win
just because of the color of their skin?  I want to see a great fight and I
don't care what color the people in the ring are.  Totally irrelevant.  (Except
to Don King...who doesn't see white or black..just green)

Dr. Martin Luther  King"Judge a man not by the color of his skin but the
content of his heart."

 
 
 

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Post by Johnc33 » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:56:29

facts are facts,blacks are faster then whites when it comes to top sprinting
speed,end of story
 
 
 

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Post by pabl » Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:08:32


Quote:
> facts are facts,blacks are faster then whites when it comes to top
sprinting
> speed,end of story

There are no such facts. One sees the results of many years of training and
conditioning. To assume that Mo Green's speed is an indication of every
Black's natural speed is just as intellectually lazy as to claim Adolf
Hitler's pathological tendencies are an indication all whites are latently
racist. They represent statistical anomalies.

As usual, circumstancial evidence with no real statistical significance is
perceived as "fact".

Oh well , such discussions never become very rewarding when they starts like
this, but I'd always recommend people brush up on scientific methodology and
the nature or what a "fact" really is when someone tries to sell them on
such stuff, irrespective on what the subject is. Mistrust facts, and keep
Oscar Wilde's words in mind: "As soon as a truth becomes a fact it loses all
intellectual value".

Facts are typically very trivial, and complex matters are typically based on
models and approximation - they're never true facts. Sadly, most of the
people that claim to have facts on their side are too narrow-minded to try
to comprehend the evasive nature of "truth" in this universe of ours. It's
way too confusing. Intellectually lazy short-cuts so much more comforting.

...pablo