HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Godfrey Leu » Thu, 06 Jul 1995 04:00:00


If you guys check out the latest news in the espnet boxing homepage
thing, HBO is trying to organize a 175 Million King-less tournament
starrring:

Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Michael Moorer,
Evander Holyfield, Herbie Hide, Ray Mercer and Tommy
Morrison.

Likely first round matchups:

Bowe vs Holyfield and Lewis vs Morrison in London in October.
I assume Foreman would face Moorer again and Mercer would face Hide.
The winner of the tourney facing Tyson.

Da Lazer.

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Dscribe » Sat, 08 Jul 1995 04:00:00

yes, I read this also in the Washington Post, although the Post story
didn't include Hide and Mercer in this venture.

All I can say to HBO is lotsa luck getting Foreman involved.  Of all the
participants, he is the only one with a serious claim to the linear
championship, and he has the least to gain.  His chatter about shucking
the ratings orgs, and his desire to fight Moorer again make me think he
might sign on for one fight, but I got the distinct impression he was
going to retire after one more bout.  Where would that leave HBO?  with
half a tournament?

Even if Tyson is not the "uncrowned champ," a heavyweight tourney w/o him
is still suspect.

Dave G.

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Godfrey Leu » Sat, 08 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Well, I agree, Foreman has already stated that he doesn't think he'll
participate.  Mainly because he doesn't want to fight 3 bouts against
guys like Bowe and Lewis.

Quote:
>Where would that leave HBO?  with
>half a tournament?

I don't think so.  Foreman is washed up anyways.  I almost wished he
didn't beat Moorer because like all his past few fights, Foreman took
a terrible beating.

Quote:
>Even if Tyson is not the "uncrowned champ," a heavyweight tourney w/o him
>is still suspect.

I don't agree with this.  At least not yet.  He hasn't even fought a
single fight in like 3 or 4 years?  I don't even think I can make a
judgement of him if he disposes of Mc Neely quickly or any of King's
paper champs.  I'll pass judgment on him when he fights a Bowe, Lewis,
or Holyfield,

I think the tournament is a great idea.  If Tyson is as good as he
used to be, he should fight the winner of the tourney.

Da Lazer.

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Rob Wie » Sat, 08 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>All I can say to HBO is lotsa luck getting Foreman involved.  Of all the
>participants, he is the only one with a serious claim to the linear
>championship, and he has the least to gain.  His chatter about shucking
>the ratings orgs, and his desire to fight Moorer again make me think he
>might sign on for one fight, but I got the distinct impression he was
>going to retire after one more bout.  Where would that leave HBO?  with
>half a tournament?
>Even if Tyson is not the "uncrowned champ," a heavyweight tourney w/o him
>is still suspect.

Forman gains nothing by fighting in a tournament.  His body dosnt have
enough time to recover between fights, and he dosnt get a chance to
pick his opponents.   He would likely be out after the first or by chance
the second round of the tourney, with the big money coming in the final
two rounds.  Not enough financial gain for a guy looking for one more
payday.

Id say that Tyson isnt competitive enough to compete at this point with
any of the fighters mentioned in the HBO article (including Foreman).  It
remains to be seen whether he will ever be competitive again.  There
are lots of people who think differently though - people who beleive that
Tyson will "clean up" the heavy weight ranks. There are lots of
people *who read this newsgroup* who think that the 1995 Tyson hasnt lost
a step.  McNeely is reportably sparing with boxers ranked 10-20 on the list
and is having trouble with them.  We will only learn something about tyson
if he has trouble with Mcneely.

King is right to promote Tyson as an uncrowned heavyweight champ.  
People want to remember the myth.  From a business perspective it makes
more sense - Tyson will have a better chance of winning against a single
opponent in 18 months at the conclusion of the tourney than he would if he
was in the tourney himself.  By then he'll know if it is a payday or if his
skills have returned.

Rob

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by SCOTT D PINSK » Sun, 09 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> If you guys check out the latest news in the espnet boxing homepage
> thing, HBO is trying to organize a 175 Million King-less tournament
> starrring:

> Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Michael Moorer,
> Evander Holyfield, Herbie Hide, Ray Mercer and Tommy
> Morrison.

The BIG winner from this tourny is the WBO title, since it'll be the
onle belt up for grabs.  Fighters (like Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Moorer)
battling for the WBO title in a forum as public as HBO could give the
championship more credibility than the IBF, WBA, WBC.

By the way, I remember watching the last HBO hvywt tourny, but I don't
recall how long it took for the tournament's completion.  Anyone
remember?

-Scott D. Pinsker

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Michael Carli » Sun, 09 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


> Well, I agree, Foreman has already stated that he doesn't think he'll
> participate.  Mainly because he doesn't want to fight 3 bouts against
> guys like Bowe and Lewis.

> >Where would that leave HBO?  with
> >half a tournament?

> I don't think so.  Foreman is washed up anyways.  I almost wished he
> didn't beat Moorer because like all his past few fights, Foreman took
> a terrible beating.

> >Even if Tyson is not the "uncrowned champ," a heavyweight tourney w/o him
> >is still suspect.

> I don't agree with this.  At least not yet.  He hasn't even fought a
> single fight in like 3 or 4 years?  I don't even think I can make a
> judgement of him if he disposes of Mc Neely quickly or any of King's
> paper champs.  I'll pass judgment on him when he fights a Bowe, Lewis,
> or Holyfield,

> I think the tournament is a great idea.  If Tyson is as good as he
> used to be, he should fight the winner of the tourney.

> Da Lazer.

   The problem with this is that Don King has the division wrapped up.
He plans to have Tyson be the undisputed champ again but on HIS terms.
No way  any big time DK heavyweights participate.  Tyson will fight a
couple of DK stiffs(no, not Seldon and McCall, they come later) and then
fights Seldon(if he doesn't lose it to the first guy he fights) and after
a defense against another DK stiff, fights McCall.

   After DK has wrung evey last $$$ he can out of his fighters will Tyson
unify against whoever holds the IBF title.  Of course Seldon will get a
rematch, McCall etc etc...

   This tournament seems like an attempt by HBO, the Duvas etc. to shame
DK into having some REAL competition to unify the title and give the fans
an opportunity to watch competitive matches.

              Don't hold your breath!!

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Godfrey Leu » Mon, 10 Jul 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
>The BIG winner from this tourny is the WBO title, since it'll be the
>onle belt up for grabs.  Fighters (like Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Moorer)
>battling for the WBO title in a forum as public as HBO could give the
>championship more credibility than the IBF, WBA, WBC.

Well, I think the winner of the tourney would gain a tremendous amount
of respect but just because of Tyson's popularity, I think that many
would still consider him the Champion as long as he wins his bogus
bouts against the rest of King's stable.

Quote:
>By the way, I remember watching the last HBO hvywt tourny, but I don't
>recall how long it took for the tournament's completion.  Anyone
>remember?

I don't know that but if this one goes through it will start November
and end in June or July of 96

Da Lazer.

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Paul Powe » Mon, 10 Jul 1995 04:00:00



: > If you guys check out the latest news in the espnet boxing homepage
: > thing, HBO is trying to organize a 175 Million King-less tournament
: > starrring:
: >
: > Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Michael Moorer,
: > Evander Holyfield, Herbie Hide, Ray Mercer and Tommy
: > Morrison.
: >

: The BIG winner from this tourny is the WBO title, since it'll be the
: onle belt up for grabs.  Fighters (like Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Moorer)
: battling for the WBO title in a forum as public as HBO could give the
: championship more credibility than the IBF, WBA, WBC.

The BIG winner is boxing!  If HBO pulls this off were talking a major
shot in the arm for boxing.  

We also end up with a real Champion one who has to fight three "real"
fights to get the title.  

I'd love to see it happen!

R,
Paul

 
 
 

HBO organizing Heavyweight Tourney!

Post by Norm Ols » Sun, 16 Jul 1995 04:00:00


Quote:



> : > If you guys check out the latest news in the espnet boxing homepage
> : > thing, HBO is trying to organize a 175 Million King-less tournament
> : > starrring:
> : >
> : > Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Michael Moorer,
> : > Evander Holyfield, Herbie Hide, Ray Mercer and Tommy
> : > Morrison.

It sounds good except for a missing link!(These fights will not come off
as scheduled because of the "Link")  That missing link is Rock Newman,
Bowe's manager who has managed him (Bowe) out more money and prestige than
most Heavyweight Champions receive in a career. If Bowe had a competiant
manager and a trainer who was able to motivate him like the "motivation"
Gonzalez match did for him last outing, Riddick Bowe would RULE! If Ray
Arcel had a half a chance, he would have made the most devistating
heavyweight in history out of Bowe. But we have half carnival, half side
show while the best heavyweight today is being overshadowed by Tyson and
held equal to many also rans,.   WHat a WAste!!
B-) Norm