Anthony Mundine - Useless Piece of Shit

Anthony Mundine - Useless Piece of Shit

Post by Big Da » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 04:53:40


American fight fans might vaguely remember Anthony "The Man" Mundine,
The Australian (convert to Islam) super middleweight "contender", who
was lightly reprimanded for remarking that Americans had brought the
September, 11th attacks upon themselves. In retrospect, that was
merely a tacky thing to say but it reminded me of what an utter piece
of excrement this guy is. An average  local fighter who believes the
myth of his own celebrity. Sort of like what's his name, that guy with
the big ears who used to hang with P-Diddy in Vegas but recently
couldn't renew his contract with HBO? Prince Naseem something or
another?

Australia has a long tradition of great pugilists but Mundine isn't
one of them. How did he manage to get a shot at the IBF super
middleweight after amassing only 10 fights? Let's see, IBF
vice-president Ray Wheatley is from...

Australia! What a surprise!

Do you think politics had anything to do with that? Nyah!

So Mundine gets knocked out cold by the feather-fisted Sven Otke and
you would think he would have faded into obscurity by now.

And now he's being considered for a possible title reunification
series involving Otke, Echols etc.?

Can somebody tell me of a single fighter who is more undeserving of
this than Anthony "The Man-***" Mundine?

Cheers,
BD

 
 
 

Anthony Mundine - Useless Piece of Shit

Post by Blade Of Sorr » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:04:00

Quote:
>Can somebody tell me of a single fighter who is more undeserving of
>this than Anthony "The Man-***" Mundine?

Tommy Morrison got multiple title shots. Gerry Cooney got more money than the
champion [Holmes]. I have more. Care to hear of them?

 
 
 

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Post by SuperCal » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:41:30

There has been a lot of negative stuff said about Mundine and as far as I
can see its mostly because
a. hes aborigine  ..abos are not allowed to succeed or be confident you know
b  hes muslim  ..thats a no no nowdays
c  he speaks his mind  ..you're only allowed to say what the masses aprove
of you saying
d  hes good at hyping himself up  - hey this is professional boxing there is
no entertainment involved

Its mostly just racisim, if he was white Australian he wouldn't be getting
50% of this criticism, if he was white American he wouldn't be getting 10%
of it


Quote:
> American fight fans might vaguely remember Anthony "The Man" Mundine,
> The Australian (convert to Islam) super middleweight "contender", who
> was lightly reprimanded for remarking that Americans had brought the
> September, 11th attacks upon themselves. In retrospect, that was
> merely a tacky thing to say but it reminded me of what an utter piece
> of excrement this guy is. An average  local fighter who believes the
> myth of his own celebrity. Sort of like what's his name, that guy with
> the big ears who used to hang with P-Diddy in Vegas but recently
> couldn't renew his contract with HBO? Prince Naseem something or
> another?

> Australia has a long tradition of great pugilists but Mundine isn't
> one of them. How did he manage to get a shot at the IBF super
> middleweight after amassing only 10 fights? Let's see, IBF
> vice-president Ray Wheatley is from...

> Australia! What a surprise!

> Do you think politics had anything to do with that? Nyah!

> So Mundine gets knocked out cold by the feather-fisted Sven Otke and
> you would think he would have faded into obscurity by now.

> And now he's being considered for a possible title reunification
> series involving Otke, Echols etc.?

> Can somebody tell me of a single fighter who is more undeserving of
> this than Anthony "The Man-***" Mundine?

> Cheers,
> BD


 
 
 

Anthony Mundine - Useless Piece of Shit

Post by Robert Phillip » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:37:31

Quote:

>>Can somebody tell me of a single fighter who is more undeserving of
>>this than Anthony "The Man-***" Mundine?

>Tommy Morrison got multiple title shots. Gerry Cooney got more money than the
>champion [Holmes]. I have more. Care to hear of them?

Neither were (IMO) more undeserving.

Pie

 
 
 

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Post by Ulrich Mayrin » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 06:03:49

Quote:

> So Mundine gets knocked out cold by the feather-fisted Sven Otke and
> you would think he would have faded into obscurity by now.

Mundine isn't as bad as Ottke made him look. I said before the fight
that Ottke is THE fight Mundine shouldn't take. He has all the tools
physically, but his one weak spot is lack of experience. So he goes and
fights the most experienced champion out there, who's been in hundreds
of bouts and faced hundreds of different opponents and situations - stupid.

He should have been patient and refined his raw skills.

Ulrich

 
 
 

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Post by HIGHPOIN » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 06:37:09


Quote:
> There has been a lot of negative stuff said about Mundine and as far as I
> can see its mostly because
> a. hes aborigine  ..abos are not allowed to succeed or be confident you
know
> b  hes muslim  ..thats a no no nowdays
> c  he speaks his mind  ..you're only allowed to say what the masses aprove
> of you saying
> d  hes good at hyping himself up  - hey this is professional boxing there
is
> no entertainment involved

> Its mostly just racisim, if he was white Australian he wouldn't be getting
> 50% of this criticism, if he was white American he wouldn't be getting 10%
> of it

I think this might be the smartest thing you've ever said Calo.

I think the majority of the criticism that he receives stems from his
September 11 statements obviously, but what he said was simply a way to give
the little people an excuse to not like him.

I don't agree with his timing, but I like that he spoke his mind on a
sensitive issue. Hell, I'd almost echo his sentiments by saying something
similar. America IS asking for trouble the way they are acting at present
(this is not an attack on my American friends here, just a criticism of your
governments actions). This is what Mundine said, he however, did not have
the benefit of brackets to make clear what he was trying to say.

HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

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Post by HIGHPOIN » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 07:02:23


Quote:
> American fight fans might vaguely remember Anthony "The Man" Mundine,
> The Australian (convert to Islam) super middleweight "contender", who
> was lightly reprimanded for remarking that Americans had brought the
> September, 11th attacks upon themselves. In retrospect, that was
> merely a tacky thing to say but it reminded me of what an utter piece
> of excrement this guy is. An average  local fighter who believes the
> myth of his own celebrity. Sort of like what's his name, that guy with
> the big ears who used to hang with P-Diddy in Vegas but recently
> couldn't renew his contract with HBO? Prince Naseem something or
> another?

Best 168lbs fighter in the world? No he is not. Talented? Very much so.

Mundine has both speed and power. Anyone who says he is the best supermiddle
in the world is kidding themselves, but by the same token, anyone that
denies that he is a talented (however inexperienced) fighter is letting
their bias get in the way of sound judgement.

Quote:
> Australia has a long tradition of great pugilists but Mundine isn't
> one of them. How did he manage to get a shot at the IBF super
> middleweight after amassing only 10 fights? Let's see, IBF
> vice-president Ray Wheatley is from...

> Australia! What a surprise!

No disputing this. I'd like however, to point out that if YOU were a young
fighter with hype, you too would have accepted a title shot served on a
silver platter - regardless of whether you were ready or not.

Quote:
> Do you think politics had anything to do with that? Nyah!

> So Mundine gets knocked out cold by the feather-fisted Sven Otke and
> you would think he would have faded into obscurity by now.

Up until the knockout, that fight was even if not in Mundine's favour. The
Man got what was coming to him for getting in that ring to early, but again,
to deny the skill displayed is allowing your bias to get in the way of your
judgement.

Quote:
> And now he's being considered for a possible title reunification
> series involving Otke, Echols etc.?

> Can somebody tell me of a single fighter who is more undeserving of
> this than Anthony "The Man-***" Mundine?

This I haven't heard anything of, but let's look at it.

How many belts are they going to unify? All three? If so, Mitchell and Ottke
were going to unify, and Lucas has his mandatory to face. Four contenders to
square off in two matches in the same time frame, leaving the two title
fight winners and two contenders left. Each champion takes a fight against
one of the contenders leaving just two fighters to fight for a unified
168lbs crown by end of 2003, early 2004.

If you followed that right, that means eight fighters in total to compete.
I'd probably consider Mundine the 9th or 10th best supermiddle in the world.
Take away Calzhage, as he holds the WBO title, and Mundine is most certainly
a legitimate competitor in amongst the rest. He has already expressed a wish
to fight Echols now if it would get him a title shot. If you are so sure
that Mundine is a class below all other so called contenders, then Echols
would blow him away, straight out of the unification series, and you have
nothing to worry about.

Then if you include Calzhage and his WBO title, that makes twelve fighters -
and Mundine would certainly belong within those boundaries.

HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

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Post by Ulrich Mayrin » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:03:21

Quote:

> Up until the knockout, that fight was even if not in Mundine's favour.

I don't agree with that, he didn't land a punch all night.

Ulrich

 
 
 

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Post by Ulrich Mayrin » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:13:18

Quote:

> I think the majority of the criticism that he receives stems from his
> September 11 statements obviously, but what he said was simply a way to give
> the little people an excuse to not like him.

I don't care much about his September 11 statements one way or the
other, as that's his private political opinion and he's entitled to
that. The criticism he received in the German press, however, was for
his rude and obnoxious behavior before the fight and lack of respect
towards the champion.

Sven Ottke is a pretty nice guy and I've never caught him saying
something derogatory about a opponent. After the Mundine fight he said,
that he doesn't wish him bad luck, but he won't shake his hand and will
never be seen next to him again. "I'm glad Australia is so far away,
I'll probably never have to talk to him again."

So, I agree with your assessment of his skills, he's talented and might
become a force. The reason he is knocked is that he's a loudmouth and
not very sympathetic. In Europe or the US no-one particulary hates
Aboriginees, that would be like Australians hating Eskimos - a
non-issue. Maybe Mundine has a hard time in Australia because of his
ethnicity, but in the rest of the world he has a hard time because of
his mouth.

Ulrich

 
 
 

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Post by SuperCal » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:43:33


Quote:

> > I think the majority of the criticism that he receives stems from his
> > September 11 statements obviously, but what he said was simply a way to
give
> > the little people an excuse to not like him.

> I don't care much about his September 11 statements one way or the
> other, as that's his private political opinion and he's entitled to
> that. The criticism he received in the German press, however, was for
> his rude and obnoxious behavior before the fight and lack of respect
> towards the champion.

> Sven Ottke is a pretty nice guy and I've never caught him saying
> something derogatory about a opponent. After the Mundine fight he said,
> that he doesn't wish him bad luck, but he won't shake his hand and will
> never be seen next to him again. "I'm glad Australia is so far away,
> I'll probably never have to talk to him again."

Its a pity in this day and age that some people like Ottke still have such
contempt for aborigni's
 
 
 

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Post by HIGHPOIN » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:17:05


Quote:

> > Up until the knockout, that fight was even if not in Mundine's favour.

> I don't agree with that, he didn't land a punch all night.

I think punch stats were pretty close between the two, don't know for sure
though. Anyway, it's all pointless anyway, bottom line is Ottke KO'd him
anyway, eh?

HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

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Post by HIGHPOIN » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:22:16


Quote:

> > I think the majority of the criticism that he receives stems from his
> > September 11 statements obviously, but what he said was simply a way to
give
> > the little people an excuse to not like him.

> I don't care much about his September 11 statements one way or the
> other, as that's his private political opinion and he's entitled to
> that. The criticism he received in the German press, however, was for
> his rude and obnoxious behavior before the fight and lack of respect
> towards the champion.

> Sven Ottke is a pretty nice guy and I've never caught him saying
> something derogatory about a opponent. After the Mundine fight he said,
> that he doesn't wish him bad luck, but he won't shake his hand and will
> never be seen next to him again. "I'm glad Australia is so far away,
> I'll probably never have to talk to him again."

> So, I agree with your assessment of his skills, he's talented and might
> become a force. The reason he is knocked is that he's a loudmouth and
> not very sympathetic. In Europe or the US no-one particulary hates
> Aboriginees, that would be like Australians hating Eskimos - a
> non-issue. Maybe Mundine has a hard time in Australia because of his
> ethnicity, but in the rest of the world he has a hard time because of
> his mouth.

All very good points, great post.

HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

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Post by Big Da » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:54:17

I am NOT criticizing Mundine due to his religion or ethnicity. I just
don't like his attitude and the fact that he's getting opportunities
he doesn't deserve because of politics. The super middleweight
reunification series was mentioned in an article on
www.eastsideboxing.com They said that if Mundine should get past his
next hand-picked opponent, he'd be in line for a title eliminator
against Antwun Echols (who I hope sends him into palookaville) I hope
it isn't true though. Mundine shouldn't be a top 50 ranked fighter at
this point. Who's he beaten? Nobody. Omar Sheika should be rated
higher than him. I think this is the beef most people have with
Mundine. As somebody pointed out, most non-Australians wouldn't even
think twice about him being aboriginal. Hell, I had no clue what he
was until today.

Cheers,
BD

Quote:

> American fight fans might vaguely remember Anthony "The Man" Mundine,
> The Australian (convert to Islam) super middleweight "contender", who
> was lightly reprimanded for remarking that Americans had brought the
> September, 11th attacks upon themselves. In retrospect, that was
> merely a tacky thing to say but it reminded me of what an utter piece
> of excrement this guy is. An average  local fighter who believes the
> myth of his own celebrity. Sort of like what's his name, that guy with
> the big ears who used to hang with P-Diddy in Vegas but recently
> couldn't renew his contract with HBO? Prince Naseem something or
> another?

> Australia has a long tradition of great pugilists but Mundine isn't
> one of them. How did he manage to get a shot at the IBF super
> middleweight after amassing only 10 fights? Let's see, IBF
> vice-president Ray Wheatley is from...

> Australia! What a surprise!

> Do you think politics had anything to do with that? Nyah!

> So Mundine gets knocked out cold by the feather-fisted Sven Otke and
> you would think he would have faded into obscurity by now.

> And now he's being considered for a possible title reunification
> series involving Otke, Echols etc.?

> Can somebody tell me of a single fighter who is more undeserving of
> this than Anthony "The Man-***" Mundine?

> Cheers,
> BD

 
 
 

Anthony Mundine - Useless Piece of Shit

Post by HIGHPOIN » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:01:41


Quote:
> They said that if Mundine should get past his
> next hand-picked opponent, he'd be in line for a title eliminator
> against Antwun Echols (who I hope sends him into palookaville) I hope
> it isn't true though. Mundine shouldn't be a top 50 ranked fighter at
> this point. Who's he beaten? Nobody.

He has beaten Rick Thornberry, a stern litmus test, but you are correct that
that is not nearly enough to deserve a title shot.

However, were he to defeat Echols, would you then consider him worthy of a
title shot?

HIGHPOINT