KOSTYA TO DESTROY OSCAR

KOSTYA TO DESTROY OSCAR

Post by Nathan Holme » Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:00:00


If you haven't had a chance to see Kostya in action, make sure you watch
the fights on the 18th Jan.    The real star of the night definetly won't
be Oscar (who will a tougher fight with Gonzalez than most people will
expect.).   It'll be Kosta.   The way he destroyed Bergman was something to
behold (granted... Bergman isn't Oscar).   Kosta was in control of the
fight with Bergman when around the sixth round he got cut.   Seconds after
the doctor let the fight resume Bergman was spectacularly knocked out.
(Similar in a way to Hagler-Hearns).   I've been watching Kosta since he
was an amateur and he excels at fighting taller fighters that come to him,
which will indeed make his fight with Oscar (if it ever happens?) very very
interesting.   If they fight my money will be on Kosta.

 
 
 

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Post by monte christens » Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>If you haven't had a chance to see Kostya in action, make sure you watch
>the fights on the 18th Jan.    The real star of the night definetly won't
>be Oscar (who will a tougher fight with Gonzalez than most people will
>expect.).   It'll be Kosta.   The way he destroyed Bergman was something to
>behold (granted... Bergman isn't Oscar).   Kosta was in control of the
>fight with Bergman when around the sixth round he got cut.   Seconds after
>the doctor let the fight resume Bergman was spectacularly knocked out.
>(Similar in a way to Hagler-Hearns).   I've been watching Kosta since he
>was an amateur and he excels at fighting taller fighters that come to him,
>which will indeed make his fight with Oscar (if it ever happens?) very very
>interesting.   If they fight my money will be on Kosta.

I have only seen Tszyu fight about 6-7 times and I am really impressed by his
power but not much else.  He looked great in winning the title but what has
he done since then?  

1) The mayweather fight really showed some of his weakness.  This is the same
mayweather that was KOed by Ray Lovata the year before.  

2) Has fought the likes of Pineda, Corey Johnson, and Bergman.  None of whom I think
are even top 10 at 140.

I also thought he lost the fight to Hector Lopez.  Now he is fighting on the undercard
of DLH against another soft opponent.  He could certainly KO DLH with
that power, but comparing his record to Molina, Ruelas, Hernandez, Leija, and
Chavez leads me to make DLH a 5-1 favorite in this fight.

--
Monte Christensen    | "The ballot is stronger than the bullet"


 
 
 

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Post by lou lew » Sat, 04 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> If you haven't had a chance to see Kostya in action, make sure you watch
> the fights on the 18th Jan.    The real star of the night definetly won't
> be Oscar (who will a tougher fight with Gonzalez than most people will
> expect.).   It'll be Kosta.   The way he destroyed Bergman was something to
> behold (granted... Bergman isn't Oscar).   Kosta was in control of the
> fight with Bergman when around the sixth round he got cut.   Seconds after
> the doctor let the fight resume Bergman was spectacularly knocked out.
> (Similar in a way to Hagler-Hearns).   I've been watching Kosta since he
> was an amateur and he excels at fighting taller fighters that come to him,
> which will indeed make his fight with Oscar (if it ever happens?) very very
> interesting.   If they fight my money will be on Kosta.

Truer words were never written!!
Regards, Lou Lewis

 
 
 

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Post by Al Bar » Sun, 05 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:



>> If you haven't had a chance to see Kostya in action, make sure you watch
>> the fights on the 18th Jan.    The real star of the night definetly won't
>> be Oscar (who will a tougher fight with Gonzalez than most people will
>> expect.).   It'll be Kosta.   The way he destroyed Bergman was something to
>> behold (granted... Bergman isn't Oscar).   Kosta was in control of the
>> fight with Bergman when around the sixth round he got cut.   Seconds after
>> the doctor let the fight resume Bergman was spectacularly knocked out.
>> (Similar in a way to Hagler-Hearns).   I've been watching Kosta since he
>> was an amateur and he excels at fighting taller fighters that come to him,
>> which will indeed make his fight with Oscar (if it ever happens?) very very
>> interesting.   If they fight my money will be on Kosta.
>Truer words were never written!!
>Regards, Lou Lewis

While Kosta (sic) is a good fighter based on his record, has he really
fought anyone who comes close to having Oscar's boxing skills?  If so,
who?  What he did to Bergman has nothing whatsoever to do with how
he'll fare against De La Hoya.
--
Al Bardo
 
 
 

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Post by Tas » Sun, 05 Jan 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>If you haven't had a chance to see Kostya in action, make sure you watch
>the fights on the 18th Jan.    The real star of the night definetly won't
>be Oscar (who will a tougher fight with Gonzalez than most people will
>expect.).   It'll be Kosta.   The way he destroyed Bergman was something to
>behold (granted... Bergman isn't Oscar).   Kosta was in control of the
>fight with Bergman when around the sixth round he got cut.   Seconds after
>the doctor let the fight resume Bergman was spectacularly knocked out.
>(Similar in a way to Hagler-Hearns).   I've been watching Kosta since he
>was an amateur and he excels at fighting taller fighters that come to him,
>which will indeed make his fight with Oscar (if it ever happens?) very very
>interesting.   If they fight my money will be on Kosta.

You're talking about the same guy who couldn't stop Mayweather, right?
Oscar by *** 5th round KO.

-Tass

 
 
 

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Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Sun, 05 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Clipped

Regular RSB'ers will know my feelings about Kostya Tszyu, but it seems to me
that by the time that Kostya gets his chance, Oscar is just going to be too
darn big. Kostya is a natural Jnr Welter. Oscar is already Welter material
and growing bigger all the time. Have a look at how much bigger Oscar has
looked than his opponents in his last few bouts, particularly vs Chavez.
When he steps into the ring against MAGO on Jan 18, I predict he will be at
least 8-10 lbs bigger, and it will show. 12 months ago, I would have agreed
completely with these comments, but it will be at least 6-12 months before
Kostya  gets his chance, and by then Oscar will be a ***y middleweight!

This is a shame, because it would truly be a bout for the ages. I guess I'll
just have to start that thread that I warned I would a year or so ago.

THE FIGHTERS THAT OSCAR DE LA HOYA AVOIDED - CASE 1 KOSTYA TSZYU !

Cheers

Deb
AKA The Dark Princess

ps

In answer to all those who have asked why I am also known as The Dark
Princess, I would have thought the answer was obvious.
I'm married to The Dark Prince.

 
 
 

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Post by Melanie L » Sun, 05 Jan 1997 04:00:00

        Hey Deb:

Quote:
>THE FIGHTERS THAT OSCAR DE LA HOYA AVOIDED - CASE 1 KOSTYA TSZYU !

        Why do you think DLH "avoided/is avoiding" Tszyu?  Because he isn't
scheduling a fight with him while he's still 140 Lbs?  As has been stated over
and over on every DLH-Tszyu thread, at this point there is no need for Oscar to
fight Tszyu - probably would do Zoo more good to fight DLH.  Zoo doesn't have a
"big" name and is not well known by the majority of boxing fans.  I guess good
boxing management "avoids" a lot of fighters when planning a course of action
toward superstardom.  Happens all the time.  Us boxing fans rarely get to see
the fights WE want to see.  Frankly, I'd just like to see Zoo - period!  Wish
he'd get some TV time in the U.S.  

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Post by John W Bra » Sun, 05 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Clipped

>THE FIGHTERS THAT OSCAR DE LA HOYA AVOIDED - CASE 1 KOSTYA TSZYU !
>AKA The Dark Princess

Oh, come on, Deb.  Tszyu isn't nearly the first fighter De La Hoya
has avoided.  That would be Azumah Nelson, the #1 130 pounder
when DLH was at 130.  Of course, given that De La Hoya was being
knocked down by NArciso Valenzuela and ?Jimmi Bredahl, Azumah
would have destroyed the young De LA Hoya before he even started.
--BRagg
 
 
 

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Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Mon, 06 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>         Hey Deb:

> >THE FIGHTERS THAT OSCAR DE LA HOYA AVOIDED - CASE 1 KOSTYA TSZYU !

>         Why do you think DLH "avoided/is avoiding" Tszyu?

I don't think that Oscar is avoiding him because he is scared of being beaten
rather he does not represent a big payday such as all the others do.

 Because he isn't

Quote:
> scheduling a fight with him while he's still 140 Lbs?

Well, yes, because Oscar's time at 140 lbs is now very limited and it would
be a shame if it did not happen. IMHO, Oscar is already too big and would
weigh much more on fight night that any other Jnr Welter - and it is for this
reason alone that I think he will defeat MAGO.

 As has been stated over

Quote:
> and over on every DLH-Tszyu thread, at this point there is no need for Oscar to
> fight Tszyu - probably would do Zoo more good to fight DLH.

Depends on how you define need. Does he really NEED the extra millions that
he will get to fight the others ? Of course not. If he wants to be remembered
as a great fighter, as one that took on all comers that challenged him (like
Chavez, SR Robinson and so on) then he must face Kostya because Kostya is the
last remaining Jnr Welter that has a legit chance of beating him before he
moves on and up (permanently) to the higher weights.

  Zoo doesn't have a

Quote:
> "big" name and is not well known by the majority of boxing fans.  I guess good
> boxing management "avoids" a lot of fighters when planning a course of action
> toward superstardom.  Happens all the time.  Us boxing fans rarely get to see
> the fights WE want to see.  Frankly, I'd just like to see Zoo - period!  Wish
> he'd get some TV time in the U.S.

I don't disagree with any of this Mel. Have you read the articles on the
*** Boxing Zone by er, Spit Bucket (urgh) ? This attitude of just going for
the bucks and depriving the fans of fights that should happen and the
alphabet organizations is just killing boxing. There is a catch 22 here.
Kostya can't get a fight against the likes of Oscar because he is not a big
name. You get to be a big name by fighting the likes of Oscar. The only way
out is to creep up the ladder, fight guys like Fuentes, Mayweather, Pineda
Rodriguez and so on. Then the lines come out "Ah, these guys are chumps".
OK, so if they are, let's get it on with Oscar. Sorry, can't do - not enough
$$$ in it for us. Very frustrating.

Oscar and Kostya are very special fighters with much in common. Superb
amateur careers, clean cut well spoken young men with no disrespect in them
and undefeated as pros. They represent all that that is good in boxing and it
will be our sport, Mel, that will be the loser if they do not meet. Given
enough of these 'losses' the fans just drift away.

With warm wishes for you in 1997

Deb

 
 
 

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Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Mon, 06 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> While Kosta (sic) is a good fighter based on his record, has he really
> fought anyone who comes close to having Oscar's boxing skills?

Yes he has. Jan Bergman is a superb fighter, who would decimate most any
other Jnr Welter on the planet. He would give Oscar a good run for his money.
Kostya KO'd him in one of the best KO's of 1996.

  If so,

Quote:
> who?  What he did to Bergman has nothing whatsoever to do with how
> he'll fare against De La Hoya.

It has a lot to do with it. It showed how well Kostya can deal with a tall,
fast fighter with a ramrod left jab and a solid chin. Sound familiar ?
Unfortunately most of our US pals have seen little of Kostya, and what they
have seen is usually only the Mayweather and/or Lopez fights. Kostya has come
a long way since then. Have a look if you can at the Tszyu/Bergman fight and
then tell me that Kostya does not deserve a shot at ODLH. Alternatively,
watch him decapitate Leonardo Mas on Jan 18.

Cheers

Deb
AKA The Dark Princess

 
 
 

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Post by Matad » Mon, 06 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>        Hey Deb:

> Frankly, I'd just like to see Zoo - period!  

WHAT?? You misspelled Kostya's name? You sexist, woman hating weasel! You
ethnocentric, Australian hating liar!
 
 
 

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Post by monte christens » Tue, 07 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Clipped

>Regular RSB'ers will know my feelings about Kostya Tszyu, but it seems to me
>that by the time that Kostya gets his chance, Oscar is just going to be too
>darn big. Kostya is a natural Jnr Welter. Oscar is already Welter material
>and growing bigger all the time. Have a look at how much bigger Oscar has
>looked than his opponents in his last few bouts, particularly vs Chavez.
>When he steps into the ring against MAGO on Jan 18, I predict he will be at
>least 8-10 lbs bigger, and it will show. 12 months ago, I would have agreed
>completely with these comments, but it will be at least 6-12 months before
>Kostya  gets his chance, and by then Oscar will be a ***y middleweight!

>This is a shame, because it would truly be a bout for the ages. I guess I'll
>just have to start that thread that I warned I would a year or so ago.

>THE FIGHTERS THAT OSCAR DE LA HOYA AVOIDED - CASE 1 KOSTYA TSZYU !

Why even make such a claim?  Every fighter can't fight every other fighter
at each weight.  What evidence do you have that DLH is ducking TSZYU?  At least
DLH has fought the best competition at each weight class.  TSZYU hasn't fought
one guy that I would say was at the top of the 140lb class.  His fight upcoming
is against another grade B fighter.  

When TSZYU strings together some wins that have any resemblance to

Molina, Ruelas, Hernandez, Leija, and Chavez then lets talk about who is ducking
who.  DLH has showed he is willing to fight anyone, when will TSZYU do this?  

--
Monte Christensen    | "The ballot is stronger than the bullet"

 
 
 

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Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Why even make such a claim?  Every fighter can't fight every other fighter
> at each weight.  What evidence do you have that DLH is ducking TSZYU?

I've never said that he is ducking him, Monte. What I have said is that
he has no legitimate right to leave Jnr Welter having 'cleaned it out'
now on to to bigger and better things. There is a difference.

 At least

Quote:
> DLH has fought the best competition at each weight class.

Well he certainly missed Azumah at 130.

  TSZYU hasn't fought

Quote:
> one guy that I would say was at the top of the 140lb class.  His fight upcoming
> is against another grade B fighter.

I agree that Mas is not the fighter that I would have picked. But here is the
catch 22. He doesn't deserve a shot because who has he fought ???? It's a bit
like trying to get a job with no experience.

Quote:

> When TSZYU strings together some wins that have any resemblance to

> Molina, Ruelas, Hernandez, Leija, and Chavez then lets talk about who is ducking
> who.  DLH has showed he is willing to fight anyone, when will TSZYU do this?

Well he'll NEVER be able to do this with this logic. If ODLH IS ducking Tszyu
it is not because he feels he will beat him. It willl only be for the money
he can get by fighting others. And that cheats you and me.

Deb
AKA The Dark Princess

 
 
 

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Post by Debra Mayrhofe » Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



> >        Hey Deb:

> > Frankly, I'd just like to see Zoo - period!

> WHAT?? You misspelled Kostya's name? You sexist, woman hating weasel! You
> ethnocentric, Australian hating liar!

Ho hum, Mr No One from No Where cracks a little joke. You're about a
funny as wet pants in a wind tunnel, Matador. BTW, most of us have the
guts to use our real address. Can't you - or are you still scared of
advertisers making you offers you may be too weak to refuse ?

Deb
AKA The Dark Princess