Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by x » Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>I know some people may disagree but the impression I get from the
>people who fight Tyson is that whenever he fought it was like taking a
>five year old to the doctor to get a shot. I mean they get scared and
>they think he is going to destroy them and then when the punches land
>they go down. The two people that have beat Tyson, Holyfeld and Douglas
>have both said that most of the people who have fought Tyson were afraid
>of them.
>    Which makes me wonder how Foreman would do against Tyson. I mean
>there are two things that make me think this fight would be more
>interesting than what most people would think. Tyson in my opinion is so
>used to knocking people out that he has forgotten how to win rounds.
>     When Tyson fought Buster Mathis JR I think he Buster Mathis JR won
>the first two rounds if I am not mistaken. Botha won the first few
>rounds against Tyson as well. Even thought Peter McNeely got knocked out
>in 89 seconds he backed Tyson up if my memory serves me right. I am
>saying I don't think Tyson has round winning skill but knockout skill.
>      Here is the thing about Foreman though he has a chin made out of
>granite. If he went 12 rounds with Holyfeld which is something Tyson
>could not say, as well as going ten with Moorer before knocking him out,
>and 12 rounds with Tommy Morrison it means his chin is very very good.
>So is it possible that if he fought Foreman that he would lose the first
>few rounds to Foreman. I think that it would be entirely possible that
>this would happen which would be a psychological blow to Tyson
>considering that this man would be much older than him. Although I think
>Foreman would not win I have a hard time believing that Tyson is really
>as hard a puncher as people say he is.

    Since Tyson took the two psychiatric *** ,  ( lithium combined with
Thorazine ) , he has lost his reflexes, his balance, and his perceptions.

    PROOF:

    ---In his first fight after taking the *** (Bruno # 1 ) Tyson fell off
balance into the ropes at one point in the first round while his opponent
was nowhere near him.
        Tyson got hit more in this fight than he had in all of his previous
fights combined.
        A number of trainers commented to me at the time that there appeared
to be something wrong with Tyson's balance as of this fight.

    ---Two fights later Tyson was knocked out by Buster Douglas, whos beat
him to the punch all night long.
        Due to ignorance of the devastating effect the psychiatric ***
taken by Tyson have on the nervous system ( perceptions, balance,
co-ordination ) not one write-up on the Douglas fight even mentioned the
fact that Tyson had taken these *** and then deteriorated so quickly as a
fighter.

    ---In a fight with Alex Stewart, Tyson threw a right hand and ended up
lying on his stomach on the floor--evidence that his balance was completely
screwed up.

    ---I could continue, but these examples make the point.

    ---Thorazine was called "the chemical lobatomy" when it first came out.

    ---Drug Combinations, the companion book to the Physician's Desk
Reference, warns the physician never to use the two *** Thorazine and
lithium together, since they have been known to cause "permanent brain
damage."

 
 
 

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by Chris Ts » Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I don't know how hard people think that Tyson hits, so I don't know if
he hits as hard as people think he does, but he hits real hard. He's a
shot fighter though. He even said that he can't knock guys out early
anymore; and not because his power has waned, but because his skills
have waned. He's not as muscular as he used to be, so maybe he's a
little less strong than he used to be? The reason he didn't knock out
Douglas and Holyfield isn't because he doesn't hit exceptionally hard,
but because they had the skills to outbox him. If a boxer is afraid of
his opponent, that doesn't make his chin any weaker. Some of his
opponents just fought to survive out of fear of getting knocked out and
some of them gave up, but Tyson would've beat them, even if they tried
their best. Smith, Bruno and Seldon are the only ones who didn't try to
beat Tyson and they wouldn't have beat him if they tried. Biggs, Holmes,
Spinks, Bruno, Tillman and Stewart are the only ones who were terrified
of Tyson and thus got knocked out or TKO'd and either all of them or
most of them would have gotten knocked out or TKO'd even if they didn't
fear him.

 
 
 

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by Michael Haugh » Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I don't know how hard people think that Tyson hits, so I don't know if
he hits as hard as people think he does, but he hits real hard. He's a
shot fighter though. He even said that he can't knock guys out early
anymore; and not because his power has waned, but because his skills
have waned. He's not as muscular as he used to be, so maybe he's a
little less strong than he used to be? The reason he didn't knock out
Douglas and Holyfield isn't because he doesn't hit exceptionally hard,
but because they had the skills to outbox him. If a boxer is afraid of
his opponent, that doesn't make his chin any weaker. Some of his
opponents just fought to survive out of fear of getting knocked out and
some of them gave up, but Tyson would've beat them, even if they tried
their best. Smith, Bruno and Seldon are the only ones who didn't try to
beat Tyson and they wouldn't have beat him if they tried. Biggs, Holmes,
Spinks, Bruno, Tillman and Stewart are the only ones who were terrified
of Tyson and thus got knocked out or TKO'd and either all of them or
most of them would have gotten knocked out or TKO'd even if they didn't
fear him.

#########

I would agree with most of your views on this except...

After Tyson's prison stays he did seem more muscular and bulked up.

IMO, Holmes was not terrified of Tyson.  I saw Holmes try to box Tyson past
the early rounds and see what Tyson would have left late.  I can't see a guy
with the ring savvy of Holmes and a guy who rose from the vicious KDs he
suffered against Tyson as being terrified.

Holmes was a cagey boxer, but didn't bring any dog in the ring with him.

    -mwh

 
 
 

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by Chris Ts » Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Michael,

I thought that I remembered that Larry had a scared look on his face in
the ring before the fight, but I just rewatched him again on videotape
and he didn't look scared.

I didn't want to elongate the Roy Jones at forty years of age gauntlet
to tell you that I only have tapes of Spinks as a heavyweight.

 
 
 

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by mwhaugh » Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> Michael,

> I thought that I remembered that Larry had a scared look on his face in
> the ring before the fight, but I just rewatched him again on videotape
> and he didn't look scared.

> I didn't want to elongate the Roy Jones at forty years of age gauntlet
> to tell you that I only have tapes of Spinks as a heavyweight.

IMO, if Larry Holmes was anything in that bout, he was a little too
***y at times.

Spinks was a very good LHW.  He was at times awkwardly effective and
other times one of the most fluid boxer / punchers you'll ever see.  

Spinks vs.RJJ (IMO) would be a replay of RJJ vs. Hopkins or McCallum
(ultra cautious RJJ) with the difference being Spinks' size and power.
I think it ends as a stoppage or an easy decision for Spinks.

        -mwh
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Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by Gregory Gliedma » Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:



> > Michael,

> > I thought that I remembered that Larry had a scared look on his face in
> > the ring before the fight, but I just rewatched him again on videotape
> > and he didn't look scared.

> > I didn't want to elongate the Roy Jones at forty years of age gauntlet
> > to tell you that I only have tapes of Spinks as a heavyweight.

> IMO, if Larry Holmes was anything in that bout, he was a little too
>***y at times.

> Spinks was a very good LHW.  He was at times awkwardly effective and
> other times one of the most fluid boxer / punchers you'll ever see.

Spinks was also a master of dirty tactics, so good that his name never even
comes up when the conversation comes around to dirty fighters (the best
foulers are the ones that don't get caught).  Mattew Saad Muhammad used to
talk admiringly about Spinks's fluid use of his elbows:  'The uppercut with
the elbow, and then he throws a straight right hand.  That is so pretty the
way he does it." (quote from NY Times, 5/17/83)

GG

 
 
 

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by Chris Ts » Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Damn, I'm going senile already (I don't use *** and I'm not a boxer).
I can't remember things from the eighties anymore. I would've bet my
life that Larry Holmes was scared waiting in the ring for Mike Tyson in
1988, and I swear I thought that I remembered reading in Ring magazine
in 1984 (at least I hope it was ring magazine) that it was Muhammad Ali
who said that about Leon Spinks' elbow and I saw this movie "The
Gauntlet" on television in 1986 and I didn't know what the word
"gauntlet" meant and so I looked it up in the dictionary and I remember
like it was yesterday that the defintition given was 'an extended line',
but I never heard it used like that and so I looked it up again
yesterday to see if I used it correctly in my last post and the
definition given was 'a long line as of gaurds or well-wishers'. I've
never misremembered anything before (at least I think that I remember
that I've never misremembered anything before?).
 
 
 

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by Michael W Haug » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00


: > > Michael,
: > >
: > > I thought that I remembered that Larry had a scared look on his face in
: > > the ring before the fight, but I just rewatched him again on videotape
: > > and he didn't look scared.
: > >
: > > I didn't want to elongate the Roy Jones at forty years of age gauntlet
: > > to tell you that I only have tapes of Spinks as a heavyweight.
: > >
: > IMO, if Larry Holmes was anything in that bout, he was a little too
: >***y at times.
: >
: > Spinks was a very good LHW.  He was at times awkwardly effective and
: > other times one of the most fluid boxer / punchers you'll ever see.
: >

: Spinks was also a master of dirty tactics, so good that his name never even
: comes up when the conversation comes around to dirty fighters (the best
: foulers are the ones that don't get caught).  Mattew Saad Muhammad used to
: talk admiringly about Spinks's fluid use of his elbows:  'The uppercut with
: the elbow, and then he throws a straight right hand.  That is so pretty the
: way he does it." (quote from NY Times, 5/17/83)

: GG

Very true.  He also used to sneak a *** elbow in after his hook (especially
that uppercut / hook he used) regularly.
--
        -mwh

 
 
 

Do you think Tyson hits as hard as people think he does?

Post by Patrick Keho » Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:00

YES... he's all hammar!

Patrick Kehoe