guzman Funeka

guzman Funeka

Post by danstearn » Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:49:38


you gotta be kidding me man.....okay, if i came in a pound or two
overweight my high school wrestling coach would've wrenched my head
off with his bare hands and kicked it for a field goal during practice
and the rest of the team would've cheered.........and this sure as
hell ain't high school, so how the hell do you come in to the weigh in
9 (!)pounds overweight/??????????
His camp should have beat him with a stick or said get the *** out of
this weight class man
wtF!!!!!!!!!!!
*** guzmam
 
 
 

guzman Funeka

Post by D. Flyn » Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:50:41



Quote:
> you gotta be kidding me man.....okay, if i came in a pound or two
> overweight my high school wrestling coach would've wrenched my head
> off with his bare hands and kicked it for a field goal during practice
> and the rest of the team would've cheered.........and this sure as
> hell ain't high school, so how the hell do you come in to the weigh in
> 9 (!)pounds overweight/??????????
> His camp should have beat him with a stick or said get the *** out of
> this weight class man
> wtF!!!!!!!!!!!
> *** guzmam

He deliberately came in overweight looking for an unfair advantage. He
cheated AND IT WORKED!

Sometimes crime pays.

 
 
 

guzman Funeka

Post by SkippyP » Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:44:54



Quote:


>> you gotta be kidding me man.....okay, if i came in a pound or two
>> overweight my high school wrestling coach would've wrenched my head
>> off with his bare hands and kicked it for a field goal during practice
>> and the rest of the team would've cheered.........and this sure as
>> hell ain't high school, so how the hell do you come in to the weigh in
>> 9 (!)pounds overweight/??????????
>> His camp should have beat him with a stick or said get the *** out of
>> this weight class man
>> wtF!!!!!!!!!!!
>> *** guzmam

>He deliberately came in overweight looking for an unfair advantage. He
>cheated AND IT WORKED!

>Sometimes crime pays.

Several points here.  First, Funeka didn't have to go forward with the
fight and they did demote the fight as a non-title fight.  Second,
Guzman won on a split decision.  He only had 1 knockdwon in the fight
which didn't hurt Funeka as he was up in 3 seconds.  So, I would say
the extra 9 pounds didn't help him

You might complain more about the disparity of the scoring.  Guzman
won on two score cards 114-113 while Funeka won on the other score
card 116-111.  The crime was with the judges, not the fighters.

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guzman Funeka

Post by Fred » Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:17:10


Quote:


> >> you gotta be kidding me man.....okay, if i came in a pound or two
> >> overweight my high school wrestling coach would've wrenched my head
> >> off with his bare hands and kicked it for a field goal during practice
> >> and the rest of the team would've cheered.........and this sure as
> >> hell ain't high school, so how the hell do you come in to the weigh in
> >> 9 (!)pounds overweight/??????????
> >> His camp should have beat him with a stick or said get the *** out of
> >> this weight class man
> >> wtF!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> *** guzmam

> >He deliberately came in overweight looking for an unfair advantage. He
> >cheated AND IT WORKED!

> >Sometimes crime pays.

> Several points here.  First, Funeka didn't have to go forward with the
> fight and they did demote the fight as a non-title fight.  Second,
> Guzman won on a split decision.  He only had 1 knockdwon in the fight
> which didn't hurt Funeka as he was up in 3 seconds.  So, I would say
> the extra 9 pounds didn't help him

> You might complain more about the disparity of the scoring.  Guzman
> won on two score cards 114-113 while Funeka won on the other score
> card 116-111.  The crime was with the judges, not the fighters.

One way or another this was a lousty fight.
I have seen Funeka 3 times now an
He is surely on the lower rung of competent
fighters

Fred

 
 
 

guzman Funeka

Post by D. Flyn » Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:40:40


Quote:




> >> you gotta be kidding me man.....okay, if i came in a pound or two
> >> overweight my high school wrestling coach would've wrenched my head
> >> off with his bare hands and kicked it for a field goal during practice
> >> and the rest of the team would've cheered.........and this sure as
> >> hell ain't high school, so how the hell do you come in to the weigh in
> >> 9 (!)pounds overweight/??????????
> >> His camp should have beat him with a stick or said get the *** out of
> >> this weight class man
> >> wtF!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> *** guzmam

> >He deliberately came in overweight looking for an unfair advantage. He
> >cheated AND IT WORKED!

> >Sometimes crime pays.

> Several points here. ?First, Funeka didn't have to go forward with the
> fight and they did demote the fight as a non-title fight. ?Second,
> Guzman won on a split decision. ?He only had 1 knockdwon in the fight
> which didn't hurt Funeka as he was up in 3 seconds. ?So, I would say
> the extra 9 pounds didn't help him

> You might complain more about the disparity of the scoring. ?Guzman
> won on two score cards 114-113 while Funeka won on the other score
> card 116-111. ?The crime was with the judges, not the fighters.

> Regards,
> --
> ? ? ? ? ? ////
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> -oOO--(_)--OOo-

> "I deserve respect for the things I did not do."
> -- Dan Quayle
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Technically, Funeka didn't have to accept the fight. Realistically, a
little-known fighter from Africa is going to be very reluctant to turn
down the $ and exposure offered by HBO. And since he dominated Guzman
the first time he probably thought he could do it again.

I think the nine lbs made a big difference because Guzman didn't have
to weaken himself the way Funeka did.

 
 
 

guzman Funeka

Post by danstearn » Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:35:01


Quote:





> > >> you gotta be kidding me man.....okay, if i came in a pound or two
> > >> overweight my high school wrestling coach would've wrenched my head
> > >> off with his bare hands and kicked it for a field goal during practice
> > >> and the rest of the team would've cheered.........and this sure as
> > >> hell ain't high school, so how the hell do you come in to the weigh in
> > >> 9 (!)pounds overweight/??????????
> > >> His camp should have beat him with a stick or said get the *** out of
> > >> this weight class man
> > >> wtF!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >> *** guzmam

> > >He deliberately came in overweight looking for an unfair advantage. He
> > >cheated AND IT WORKED!

> > >Sometimes crime pays.

> > Several points here. ?First, Funeka didn't have to go forward with the
> > fight and they did demote the fight as a non-title fight. ?Second,
> > Guzman won on a split decision. ?He only had 1 knockdwon in the fight
> > which didn't hurt Funeka as he was up in 3 seconds. ?So, I would say
> > the extra 9 pounds didn't help him

> > You might complain more about the disparity of the scoring. ?Guzman
> > won on two score cards 114-113 while Funeka won on the other score
> > card 116-111. ?The crime was with the judges, not the fighters.

> > Regards,
> > --
> > ? ? ? ? ? ////
> > ? ? ? ? ?(o o)
> > -oOO--(_)--OOo-

> > "I deserve respect for the things I did not do."
> > -- Dan Quayle
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Remove nospam to email me.

> > Steve- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> Technically, Funeka didn't have to accept the fight. Realistically, a
> little-known fighter from Africa is going to be very reluctant to turn
> down the $ and exposure offered by HBO. And since he dominated Guzman
> the first time he probably thought he could do it again.

> I think the nine lbs made a big difference because Guzman didn't have
> to weaken himself the way Funeka did.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Spot-on------------>weight loss is double-edged sword....some guys can
cut down 2 or 3 weight classes from where they should be and hydrate
right back again with few discernible drawbacks. Other guys trying the
same trick are dead at the weight, but both guys generally torture
themselves to get there and thats a distinction most definitely worth
noting. In sports like high school wrestling where you're weighing in
an hour or so before you fight, massive hydration is not so prevalent
(though Im talking the late 70's early 80's when i did it, and after
sever high-profile deaths these via dehydration, rules have probably
changed a lot). It was also the case there------where no money, fame,
or real fortune dictates the terms------that if you didn't make weight
you had to wrestle another opponent at the weight you weighed in at or
sit the ***ing shit out, because YOU ***ed up.
In this context a few pounds often makes a huge difference------and 9
pounds would be unthinkable. I mean what the *** was his team saying
internally? They absolutely knew, and should also be held accountable.
Yes,Funeka didn't 'have to take the fight', but as D.Flynn points out,
realistically, he 'did' (have to). And sorry, but knowing what it
feels like to have to boil down, i have zero tolerance for Guzman and
his camp's apparent impunity to do so-------and this isn't exactly the
first time he's done this either.
That said, there may be something to a protocol like Pacquiao's, where
if you have the skills fighting somewhere closer to your natural
weight sans starvation is actually beneficial------a thing quite at
odds with the generally accepted way the fighting sports usually
operate; where the good big man usually beats the great small man and
the good big man usually crushes the good small man.
Guzman obviously has skills, but no professionalism or solidarity, and
in my mind is a non-entity until proven otherwise according to the
same standards other fighters routinely suffer and meet.