Another Great White Hype bites the dust

Another Great White Hype bites the dust

Post by Michael Falkn » Sun, 05 Oct 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>  Andrew Golota just sucked the gaspipe against Lennox Lewis. Golota is
>the latest in a long line of bogus white heavyweight pretenders. So
>Golota walks away with another big fat payday driven by the public's
>insatiable desire to find a white heavyweight champion at any cost.

How about any heavyweight that can be reasonably called a champion, regardless
of race??

I don't want there to be a race discussion, but only to say that I think Jimmy
Snyder hit it right on the head when he said what got him fired from CBS --
there's something there that is beyond simply training.

Mike

 
 
 

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Post by Goldy » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>  Andrew Golota just sucked the gaspipe against Lennox Lewis. >Golota is  the

 latest in a long line of bogus white heavyweight >pretenders.

       Would you include guys like Quarry and Cooney?  Esp. with Jerry Quarry,
 these guys would whip serious *** in the division today.
        Golata was manhandled tonight, but I think he'll be back.  

 >So Golota walks away with another big fat payday driven by the >public's
 insatiable desire to find a white heavyweight champion >at any cost.

           I doubt that's true.  Some people probably want it, but I never hear
 that sh*t in the cirles I run in.  People get e***d by big punchers...

                 Gold

 
 
 

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Post by Mongoose » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> Would you include guys like Quarry and Cooney?  Esp. with Jerry
>Quarry,
> these guys would whip serious *** in the division today.

       Gerry Cooney was a fraud, just like Golota.  Jerry Quarry was a good
 fighter, but he couldn't deal with guys like Ali, Frazier or Foreman.
 Nowadays, I think the term good white heavyweight is an oxymoron.

 
 
 

Another Great White Hype bites the dust

Post by Michael Rimp » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>How about any heavyweight that can be reasonably called a champion, regardless
>of race??

>I don't want there to be a race discussion, but only to say that I think Jimmy
>Snyder hit it right on the head when he said what got him fired from CBS --
>there's something there that is beyond simply training.

>Mike

Bullshit.  By saying that you insult every Black athlete that gave up part
of their personal life to be the best at what they do.  Stop looking for
some sort of crutch to explain why Blacks do well at some sports.  When
was the last time you heard someone say whites are genetically superior
athletes when it comes to hockey, tennis ect.  It all boils down to desire
and being willing to puch yourself mentally and physically that extra step
it takes to be a top notch athlete.

Michael Rimpel

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Post by Goldy » Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> Gerry Cooney was a fraud, just like Golota.  

       Neither was a fraud.  Golata looks bad right now, but he totally
 dominated Riddick Bowe like nobody had ever done, twice, so I think Golata
 will come back and win something like the WBO title.

Quote:
>Jerry Quarry was a good  fighter, but he couldn't deal with guys >like Ali,

 Frazier or Foreman.

       That's true.  And who could...  Quarry would have at least one of the
 Big 3 belts today...

              Gold

 
 
 

Another Great White Hype bites the dust

Post by Petar Kolakov » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> > Would you include guys like Quarry and Cooney?  Esp. with Jerry
> >Quarry,
> > these guys would whip serious *** in the division today.

>        Gerry Cooney was a fraud, just like Golota.  Jerry Quarry was a good
>  fighter, but he couldn't deal with guys like Ali, Frazier or Foreman.
>  Nowadays, I think the term good white heavyweight is an oxymoron.

Then you've obviously never seen Zeljko Mavrovic (Croatia), European
Heavyweight champ.

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Cheers,

Petar

 
 
 

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Post by Mongoose » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>> Nowadays, I think the term good white heavyweight is an oxymoron.

>And I think that comment is just moronic.

        Oh, please.  There hasn't been a good white heavyweight since Jerry
 Quarry, and he was out of his league during the Ali era.  Really, the last
 great white heavyweight was Rocky Marciano during the 1950's.  Also, Someone
 mentioned that Gerry Cooney had a devestating left hook.  Please remember that
 most (all?) of his KO's were against old, unranked, unproved, untalented
 nobodies.  Against younger, talented boxers like Holmes and Spinks, Cooney was
 KO'd.  And let's not forget the Foreman slaughter in 1990.
 
 
 

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Post by Richard E Je » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>> If Cooney was a fraud he would not have lasted into the 13th round
>> against Holmes, and been leading on the score cards.

>He was *leading* on the score cards?!?  I believe you but if anything
>reeks of fraud, it's the scoring of the fight. I'm the first to admit my
>memory isn't perfect re: fights of that vintage but as I remember it, I
>don't see how Holmes lost more than a round. BTW, this isn't in
>disagreement with what you said re: Cooney...if he was a fraud, Holmes
>would've knocked him out early.

>> If Golota was a fraud he would not have pounded Bowe into retirement.

>Less convincing than going 13 with Holmes, but agreed again.

>Derrick

Gerry Cooney was never a classic boxer but he was tall, strong, and had one
of the most devastating body attacks around at the time. The man could hit
really hard.
In the Holms bout all three judges had Cooney ahead at the time of the
knockout. When I heard the scores I couldn't believe it. I had given Cooney
only three rounds. The judges were definitely seeing whatever fight they wanted
to see. Gerry whacked Larry in the nether regions and had him buckled over once
and was warned several times for banging on Larrys hips.  I believe that Larrys
comment after the fight was something like "They gotta be crazy, scoring the
fight like that".

rickj

 
 
 

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Post by Derrick Brasslet » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> If Cooney was a fraud he would not have lasted into the 13th round
> against Holmes, and been leading on the score cards.

He was *leading* on the score cards?!?  I believe you but if anything
reeks of fraud, it's the scoring of the fight. I'm the first to admit my
memory isn't perfect re: fights of that vintage but as I remember it, I
don't see how Holmes lost more than a round. BTW, this isn't in
disagreement with what you said re: Cooney...if he was a fraud, Holmes
would've knocked him out early.

Quote:
> If Golota was a fraud he would not have pounded Bowe into retirement.

Less convincing than going 13 with Holmes, but agreed again.

Derrick

 
 
 

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Post by Donald D. MacAngu » Tue, 07 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>> If Cooney was a fraud he would not have lasted into the 13th round
>> against Holmes, and been leading on the score cards.

> He was *leading* on the score cards?!?

That's what they say.

Quote:
> I believe you but if anything reeks of fraud, it's the scoring of
> the fight.  I'm the first to admit my memory isn't perfect
> re: fights of that vintage but as I remember it, I don't see how
> Holmes lost more than a round.

You know, Larry said the same thing, so the network (I think it was ABC)
rebroadcast the fight, and they had the judges do a round-by-round thing
where they defended their scores.  I was about 20 years old at the time
(shows how old I am, and how long ago it was) but it seemed to make
sense to me.

Quote:
> BTW, this isn't in disagreement with what you said re: Cooney...if
> he was a fraud, Holmes would've knocked him out early.

Makes sense...

Quote:
>> If Golota was a fraud he would not have pounded Bowe into retirement.

> Less convincing than going 13 with Holmes, but agreed again.

Glad we can agree.

--
Big D

Don MacAngus, Santa Cruz, CA
http://www.earthlink.net/~bigdatsc/

 
 
 

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Post by Mongoose » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>> Please remember that most (all?) of his KO's were against old,
>> unranked, unproved, untalented nobodies.

>It is just as accurate to say that only these people agreed to fight
>him.

    LOL!!!  Nobody ducked Gerry Cooney during his career!  All the good
 heavyweights wanted to fight him because: A) they knew he wasn't very good
 and: B) they could make a lot of money fighting him; and C) beating Cooney
 would give any heavyweight national exposure.  It was Cooney's management team
 (actually con artists) that carefully avoided all the tough opponents in order
 to get Gerry a title shot.  

        >

Quote:
>The Spinks fight, which was not a title fight, was in Feb 87, five years
>after he ended his active career.  Cooney himself later admitted that he
>fought that fight in an ***ic haze.

        Actually, it was in June of 1987.  Yeah sure, Cooney was in a haze all
 right; he was in a haze from Spinks' left hooks and right crosses.
 
 
 

Another Great White Hype bites the dust

Post by Wiesie » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

I am sorry to tell you this but genetics does have a lot to do with being good
 at certain sport. You muscular make is what you receive from your perents. Yes
 hard work will make you better, but if you don't have the tools (body) you
 will not make it.

 
 
 

Another Great White Hype bites the dust

Post by Kurt Roh » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I am sorry to tell you this but genetics does have a lot to do with being good
>  at certain sport. You muscular make is what you receive from your perents. Yes
>  hard work will make you better, but if you don't have the tools (body) you
>  will not make it.

Well then explain why Golota who was massive muscle man was destroyed by
Lewis. Explain why Maurice Harris a skinny little wimp destroyed Thunder.
It has more to do with determination and skill than muscle.....Try putting
the worlds strongest men in the ring against even Chris Byrd......Strengh
and muscle cant beat skill and determination......

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Kurt Rohde
Carleton University

"Born to lose.....Live to win."
                        Motorhead


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Post by Donald D. MacAngu » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I believe the point is that skill and determination will only get
> one so far.  Only when coupled with natural ability will a fighter
> be able to reach the top.  There are plenty of boxers who give it
> their heart and soul, but fall short because they don't have the
> necessary physical attributes.  One can have all the skill in the
> world, but if one's opponent has equal skill and more speed, power,
> and endurance, one is toast.

It's true, and one of the most important things one can be blessed with
is a chin.

I think it was Bobby Czyz who said that you can't buy a chin, and you
can't train for a chin.  You just have to be born with it.

--
Big D

Don MacAngus, Santa Cruz, CA
http://www.earthlink.net/~bigdatsc/

 
 
 

Another Great White Hype bites the dust

Post by Bob Bearde » Wed, 08 Oct 1997 04:00:00

A very good response to the spectre of racism that always shows up
whenever a white athelete competes with a black.
The simple,sad truth is, whites have more opportunites than blacks and
so don't have to risk everything on making it in sports. The percentage
of whites who put their entire effort during high school into sports is
much lower than that of black students. They know that if they get an
education, they will have lots of options, whereas the black student
doesn't see that an education will benifit him as much as a good jump
shot.
In boxing, this is reflected in the fact that the majority of the boxers
are from minority groups.Someone said years ago that if Rip Van Winkle
woke up and wanted to know which ethnic groups were having the hardest
time achieving the "American Dream", he need only take a look at the men
who were in boxing.
 If you are going to have your fighters come out of a pool of,say 30,000
young black fighters,25,000 young hispanic fighters and 1000 young white
fighters,you should expect to see that ratio reflected in the boxers who
make it to the top.In fact, it is as amazing that ANY white fighters are
in the top ten as it is that any black business men make the Fortune
500.
 If you are watching boxing just to see someone of one race beat someone
of another race, then you are at a level with Hitler at the Berlin
Olympics. Hell, you could have had a box seat next to his.

Bob