Mayorga--The new Phillips & Junior Jones

Mayorga--The new Phillips & Junior Jones

Post by doggfest20 » Sun, 02 Feb 2003 10:58:47


Yeah, I'm procrastinating here but...

When Cool Vernon Phillips TKO Tszyu he was da man at that time.  Was
he the better fighter? he was in that fight, but he was never a p4p
fighter.

Look at Junior Jones' great wins over Marco Antonio Barrera. Surely no
one will remember Junior 'tkoed by Paul Ingle' Jones as a top p4p
fighter.

So what do these two have in common with with Mayorga? I mean, what
did they have that gave them those one win wonders???
All have one or two great wins in a mediocre record.  
I mean, who could think of anyone being able to Ko Tszyu in his
prime??
and Barrera?? a 5 round tko loss???
One would assume that Jones and Phillips had great power against
opponents with good chins!

Mayorga seems destined to be soon lumped into this group of fighters
that are great at pulling upsets, but were never serious p4p material.

I hope I am wrong about Mayorga, because he possess a style that is
rare in the top fighters out there.  A true asset. He is a throwback
to the old times and can provide e***ment and suspense to a science
plagued with boxing technicians. But my guess is that the bull caught
his first big victim off-guard and unprepared.  The next time he
fights a big fish, it might be a whole different story.

If he, unlike Phillips and Jones, continues to be consistent in his
wins then I think we have something new.  But we have the other factor
of instant fame. How well will Mayorga handle it? Is he going to be
able to train in 'silk pajamas'?

There are too many "ifs", and I personally never jumped in the wagon
of Mosley or Forrest.  One night they seemed indestructible. The next
they are worth sh*t.
And the same "fans" that are cheering for Mayorga wil be the very
exact same bunch that will trash him when he loses a lopsided decision
against another master technician.

-doggy

 
 
 

Mayorga--The new Phillips & Junior Jones

Post by Neil Kavanag » Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:29:02

Or maybe you lump Vernon Forrest in with Cool VINCE Philips and
Junior Jones as having the wood on one opponent, but not having any
wins over any other major P4P contenders? Philips had KT's number,
as did Jones have Barreras. It's how they come back after these losses
that have stood them in good stead in current P4P rankings. Look at
Forrest's record-outside of Mosley (admittedly a great scalp), who
has he beaten?

Regards
Neil Kavangh


Quote:
> Yeah, I'm procrastinating here but...

> When Cool Vernon Phillips TKO Tszyu he was da man at that time.  Was
> he the better fighter? he was in that fight, but he was never a p4p
> fighter.

> Look at Junior Jones' great wins over Marco Antonio Barrera. Surely no
> one will remember Junior 'tkoed by Paul Ingle' Jones as a top p4p
> fighter.

> So what do these two have in common with with Mayorga? I mean, what
> did they have that gave them those one win wonders???
> All have one or two great wins in a mediocre record.
> I mean, who could think of anyone being able to Ko Tszyu in his
> prime??
> and Barrera?? a 5 round tko loss???
> One would assume that Jones and Phillips had great power against
> opponents with good chins!

> Mayorga seems destined to be soon lumped into this group of fighters
> that are great at pulling upsets, but were never serious p4p material.

> I hope I am wrong about Mayorga, because he possess a style that is
> rare in the top fighters out there.  A true asset. He is a throwback
> to the old times and can provide e***ment and suspense to a science
> plagued with boxing technicians. But my guess is that the bull caught
> his first big victim off-guard and unprepared.  The next time he
> fights a big fish, it might be a whole different story.

> If he, unlike Phillips and Jones, continues to be consistent in his
> wins then I think we have something new.  But we have the other factor
> of instant fame. How well will Mayorga handle it? Is he going to be
> able to train in 'silk pajamas'?

> There are too many "ifs", and I personally never jumped in the wagon
> of Mosley or Forrest.  One night they seemed indestructible. The next
> they are worth sh*t.
> And the same "fans" that are cheering for Mayorga wil be the very
> exact same bunch that will trash him when he loses a lopsided decision
> against another master technician.

> -doggy


 
 
 

Mayorga--The new Phillips & Junior Jones

Post by doggfest20 » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 05:52:44

Quote:
> Or maybe you lump Vernon Forrest in with Cool VINCE Philips and
> Junior Jones as having the wood on one opponent, but not having any
> wins over any other major P4P contenders?

Phillips, JOnes already had losses coming in to their big fights.
Plus, they were not given much of a chance in scoring an upset. Same
pattern for Mayorga, who came in with 3 losses and 1 loss to Hurtado
and a big underdog.

Forrest, OTOH, already had an undefeated record filled and was highly
regarded even before his wins over SSM.  Plus, he was seen as the
other p4p caliber fighter that was not given the chance for a big
fight until SSM finally agreed to fight him.

Quote:
>Philips had KT's number,
> as did Jones have Barreras.

and like Rahman KOed Lewis in their first match, yet everyone knew who
the better technical fighter was.

Quote:
>It's how they come back after these losses
> that have stood them in good stead in current P4P rankings. Look at
> Forrest's record-outside of Mosley (admittedly a great scalp), who
> has he beaten?

Yes, its how they come back after their losses. And Vernon looks like
the type of talent that will come back. And I would be that there will
be a rematch between Vernon and Mayorga, unlike with Barrera and
Tszyu.

He would've beaten more if HBO had given him a chance for a big fight
before.

This is just my opinion. IF Vernon fails to come back and starts going
on a losing streak, then he will never be lumped with Barrera and
Tszyu.  Still, Forrest looks like he will come back and do well
against other good oponents like Barrera.

With Mayorga I still want to see if he can be consistent before
jumping in his bandwagon. I mean, he is skilled and good enough to KO
the overrated glass chin Six Heads.  Yet, he couldn't do the same with
Hurtado, who was recently KOed by another fighter.

Hmmmmmm......

-doggy

 
 
 

Mayorga--The new Phillips & Junior Jones

Post by Otis Mill » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 07:30:30

Exactlty!

Vernon Forrest aint shit.

Quote:

> Or maybe you lump Vernon Forrest in with Cool VINCE Philips and
> Junior Jones as having the wood on one opponent, but not having any
> wins over any other major P4P contenders? Philips had KT's number,
> as did Jones have Barreras. It's how they come back after these losses
> that have stood them in good stead in current P4P rankings. Look at
> Forrest's record-outside of Mosley (admittedly a great scalp), who
> has he beaten?

> Regards
> Neil Kavangh



> > Yeah, I'm procrastinating here but...

> > When Cool Vernon Phillips TKO Tszyu he was da man at that time.  Was
> > he the better fighter? he was in that fight, but he was never a p4p
> > fighter.

> > Look at Junior Jones' great wins over Marco Antonio Barrera. Surely no
> > one will remember Junior 'tkoed by Paul Ingle' Jones as a top p4p
> > fighter.

> > So what do these two have in common with with Mayorga? I mean, what
> > did they have that gave them those one win wonders???
> > All have one or two great wins in a mediocre record.
> > I mean, who could think of anyone being able to Ko Tszyu in his
> > prime??
> > and Barrera?? a 5 round tko loss???
> > One would assume that Jones and Phillips had great power against
> > opponents with good chins!

> > Mayorga seems destined to be soon lumped into this group of fighters
> > that are great at pulling upsets, but were never serious p4p material.

> > I hope I am wrong about Mayorga, because he possess a style that is
> > rare in the top fighters out there.  A true asset. He is a throwback
> > to the old times and can provide e***ment and suspense to a science
> > plagued with boxing technicians. But my guess is that the bull caught
> > his first big victim off-guard and unprepared.  The next time he
> > fights a big fish, it might be a whole different story.

> > If he, unlike Phillips and Jones, continues to be consistent in his
> > wins then I think we have something new.  But we have the other factor
> > of instant fame. How well will Mayorga handle it? Is he going to be
> > able to train in 'silk pajamas'?

> > There are too many "ifs", and I personally never jumped in the wagon
> > of Mosley or Forrest.  One night they seemed indestructible. The next
> > they are worth sh*t.
> > And the same "fans" that are cheering for Mayorga wil be the very
> > exact same bunch that will trash him when he loses a lopsided decision
> > against another master technician.

> > -doggy

 
 
 

Mayorga--The new Phillips & Junior Jones

Post by Neil Kavanag » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:11:48

That's putting it a bit strongly! I'm not putting down Forrest but we are
too
quick in here to jump on bandwagons. Theres now discussion of Mayorga
vs Trinidad/ODLH/Tszyu/etc. Do we put Mayorgo in the top 10 P4P now
to replace Forrest? The other extreme is dismissing a fighter on the
strength
of one loss Having the '0' in the loss collumn seems to be the basis of
ranking,
contract $'s, etc. I think you can learn more from a loss than a win over a
weak opponent-it's when you don't that a loss really becomes significant.

Regards
Neil Kavangh


Quote:
> Exactlty!

> Vernon Forrest aint shit.