Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Post by para.. » Tue, 26 Feb 2013 05:33:49


There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those questions may have been answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career shattering defeats and went on to achieve a high level of success in the ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?
 
 
 

Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Post by Mike Hal » Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:54:29


Quote:
> There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those questions may have been answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career shattering defeats and went on to achieve a high level of success in the ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?

This was not a big upset.  Tony Thompson was there to school Price in
world class level boxing and a education he got.  Definitely a temporary
setback and David Price will be the better for it.

Oh, if you get hit square in the ear like Price was, you are going down
for the count, I don't care how long you train in the gym!  Nothing to
do with chin.

Mike Hall

 
 
 

Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Post by Mentalguy2k » Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:43:39


Quote:
>There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a
>good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those questions
>may have been >answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded
>fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career shattering
>defeats and went on to achieve a >high level of success in the ring, (Wlad
>Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts on
>the Thompson/Price result?

It certainly seems to have postponed the fight we all wanted to see, Price v
Tyson Fury.

Unfortunately for Price he's pretty much a beanpole with a little bit of
bulk on him, not a "true" heavyweight in my opinion, he's just tall. And
he's white, most of us simply don't have the same physiology as black guys,
pound for pound, especially lanky guys like Price and Tyson Fury.

Price isn't naturally "big" like Lennox or Wlad or Joe Bugner. He's very
tall with some shoulders and a bit of bicep, but he's not big. Certainly not
big enough to fight his way to the World Title or make several defences of
it without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles. Price's problem is
his height, if he was a few inches shorter he'd make a good cruiserweight
but because he's so tall, he's got to fight at heavyweight without actually
being a real heavyweight in terms of structure and bulk. He's all legs.

I don't think either Price or Fury will beat all-comers to gain the Title
and then defend it against proper heavyweights, not without very careful
match-ups and not without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles.
Puncher's chance is about the best chance they've got, and that won't be
enough in 8 out of 10 fights against classy opponents.

There's also the psychological impact, not only does Price now know he's
vulnerable, so do all of his future opponents. It only takes one Tony
Thompson to come along and set a precedent of not being overawed or waiting
to be KOd by a guy who finishes all his fights in 30 seconds, and suddenly
you're not Superman any more. Everyone with a decent right (or left) hand
will want a shot and now they *know* they could floor him if they don't get
KOd first.

Interesting that Audley Harrison won his 2nd "Prizefighter" tournament on
the same night, maybe there's a re-match with Price to come.

 
 
 

Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Post by Emanuel Ber » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:12:34

Quote:

> Oh, if you get hit square in the ear like Price was, you are going
> down for the count, I don't care how long you train in the gym!
> Nothing to do with chin.

That's true, that's the same thing that happened to Khan, although
that shot from Garcia was much prettier.

Thompson, brave guy, fighting at heavyweight at 41! But after facing
Wlad twice, maybe Price feels like a Bahamas vacation.

I agree to the other post as well: Price looks a strange boxer. But
this is only the second fight I saw him.

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Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Post by Mr.Will Musi » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:38:59


There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a
good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those questions
may have been answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded
fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career shattering
defeats and went on to achieve a high level of success in the ring, (Wlad
Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts on
the Thompson/Price result?
----------

I think he got exposed for sure. Then again, he is still relatively a novice
fighter who was too good for people in the lower class he was mixing in.
Being taken apart like that was a big reality check for him though!

Good comparison with Wlad who Purrity took out way back. It can be rebuilt,
whether he is able to do it remains to be seen!

Mr.Will

 
 
 

Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Post by Mr.Will Musi » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:41:08


Quote:



>>There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a
>>good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those
>>questions may have been >answered last night. Not that some other highly
>>regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career
>>shattering defeats and went on to achieve a >high level of success in the
>>ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your
>>thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?

> It certainly seems to have postponed the fight we all wanted to see, Price
> v Tyson Fury.

> Unfortunately for Price he's pretty much a beanpole with a little bit of
> bulk on him, not a "true" heavyweight in my opinion, he's just tall. And
> he's white, most of us simply don't have the same physiology as black
> guys, pound for pound, especially lanky guys like Price and Tyson Fury.

> Price isn't naturally "big" like Lennox or Wlad or Joe Bugner. He's very
> tall with some shoulders and a bit of bicep, but he's not big. Certainly
> not big enough to fight his way to the World Title or make several
> defences of it without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles.
> Price's problem is his height, if he was a few inches shorter he'd make a
> good cruiserweight but because he's so tall, he's got to fight at
> heavyweight without actually being a real heavyweight in terms of
> structure and bulk. He's all legs.

> I don't think either Price or Fury will beat all-comers to gain the Title
> and then defend it against proper heavyweights, not without very careful
> match-ups and not without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles.
> Puncher's chance is about the best chance they've got, and that won't be
> enough in 8 out of 10 fights against classy opponents.

> There's also the psychological impact, not only does Price now know he's
> vulnerable, so do all of his future opponents. It only takes one Tony
> Thompson to come along and set a precedent of not being overawed or
> waiting to be KOd by a guy who finishes all his fights in 30 seconds, and
> suddenly you're not Superman any more. Everyone with a decent right (or
> left) hand will want a shot and now they *know* they could floor him if
> they don't get KOd first.

> Interesting that Audley Harrison won his 2nd "Prizefighter" tournament on
> the same night, maybe there's a re-match with Price to come.

I reckon Fury will fight Audley next - now that Harrison is in "the best
shape ever" and the SKY pundits were falling over themselves to say how
great he is looking now. Truth of course is that the second a punch comes
his way harrison will likely give up like he has always done.

Mr.Will

 
 
 

Thompson vs Price - Upset - or Temporary Setback?

Post by skinnystev » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:25:53

Quote:

>There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those questions may have been answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career shattering defeats and went on to achieve a high level of success in the ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?

Quote tony thompson " i trained on donut juice and fried chicken for
this fight"
 
 
 

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Post by Mr.Will Musi » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:45:37


Quote:

>>There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a
>>good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those
>>questions may have been answered last night. Not that some other highly
>>regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career
>>shattering defeats and went on to achieve a high level of success in the
>>ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your
>>thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?
> Quote tony thompson " i trained on donut juice and fried chicken for
> this fight"

His weight would indicate that too! Thats why comparing Price loss to Lennox
Lewis is a bit of a poor comparison. McCall was in the best shape of his
life for that fight, and was always a tough one - Thompson is at best an
also ran here. Wlad has more relevance as him getting stopped by Purrity was
the same sort of "shock".

Mr.Will

 
 
 

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Post by Mentalguy2k » Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:07:24


Quote:





>>>There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a
>>>good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those
>>>questions may have been >answered last night. Not that some other highly
>>>regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career
>>>shattering defeats and went on to achieve a >high level of success in the
>>>ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your
>>>thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?

>> It certainly seems to have postponed the fight we all wanted to see,
>> Price v Tyson Fury.

>> Unfortunately for Price he's pretty much a beanpole with a little bit of
>> bulk on him, not a "true" heavyweight in my opinion, he's just tall. And
>> he's white, most of us simply don't have the same physiology as black
>> guys, pound for pound, especially lanky guys like Price and Tyson Fury.

>> Price isn't naturally "big" like Lennox or Wlad or Joe Bugner. He's very
>> tall with some shoulders and a bit of bicep, but he's not big. Certainly
>> not big enough to fight his way to the World Title or make several
>> defences of it without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles.
>> Price's problem is his height, if he was a few inches shorter he'd make a
>> good cruiserweight but because he's so tall, he's got to fight at
>> heavyweight without actually being a real heavyweight in terms of
>> structure and bulk. He's all legs.

>> I don't think either Price or Fury will beat all-comers to gain the Title
>> and then defend it against proper heavyweights, not without very careful
>> match-ups and not without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles.
>> Puncher's chance is about the best chance they've got, and that won't be
>> enough in 8 out of 10 fights against classy opponents.

>> There's also the psychological impact, not only does Price now know he's
>> vulnerable, so do all of his future opponents. It only takes one Tony
>> Thompson to come along and set a precedent of not being overawed or
>> waiting to be KOd by a guy who finishes all his fights in 30 seconds, and
>> suddenly you're not Superman any more. Everyone with a decent right (or
>> left) hand will want a shot and now they *know* they could floor him if
>> they don't get KOd first.

>> Interesting that Audley Harrison won his 2nd "Prizefighter" tournament on
>> the same night, maybe there's a re-match with Price to come.

> I reckon Fury will fight Audley next - now that Harrison is in "the best
> shape ever" and the SKY pundits were falling over themselves to say how
> great he is looking now. Truth of course is that the second a punch comes
> his way harrison will likely give up like he has always done.

True, Audley has mental issues. He talks a good game, he's strong and he's
not a bad fighter, but the moment he steps in the ring for a big fight, his
mind has gone. Reminds me of Tyson in the dressing room before he fought
Lewis, you could just see it in his eyes.

I know the feeling, it used to happen to me at amateur shows like at the
Royal Albert Hall  for the ABAs. I was fit and had talent, but my head used
to implode on "big" occasions and I could hardly move, I was paralysed and
all my energy disappeared. Relatively, these were nothing compared to a
proper pro bout on TV, but I could never handle it. It felt like I was
paralysed, had the flu. That's why I think Harrison struggles and doesn't
seem to want to throw a punch. It used to take me about a round and I had to
take a few shots to snap me out of it, but at the first bell I literally
could hardly move or throw anything. It's horrible.

Maybe if I'd had Harrison's money, I could have hired a sports psychologist
but I'm not sure I'd ever have got over it. I loved training, sparring,
fighting at my club or at an inter-club evening in small venues but the
"big" nights killed me. I was so worn out by my nerves that I'd never have
been ableto turn pro and last more than 3 or 4 rounds.

 
 
 

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Post by SkippyP » Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:15:32

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:41:08 -0000, "Mr.Will Music"

Quote:





>>>There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a
>>>good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those
>>>questions may have been >answered last night. Not that some other highly
>>>regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career
>>>shattering defeats and went on to achieve a >high level of success in the
>>>ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your
>>>thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?

>> It certainly seems to have postponed the fight we all wanted to see, Price
>> v Tyson Fury.

>> Unfortunately for Price he's pretty much a beanpole with a little bit of
>> bulk on him, not a "true" heavyweight in my opinion, he's just tall. And
>> he's white, most of us simply don't have the same physiology as black
>> guys, pound for pound, especially lanky guys like Price and Tyson Fury.

>> Price isn't naturally "big" like Lennox or Wlad or Joe Bugner. He's very
>> tall with some shoulders and a bit of bicep, but he's not big. Certainly
>> not big enough to fight his way to the World Title or make several
>> defences of it without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles.
>> Price's problem is his height, if he was a few inches shorter he'd make a
>> good cruiserweight but because he's so tall, he's got to fight at
>> heavyweight without actually being a real heavyweight in terms of
>> structure and bulk. He's all legs.

>> I don't think either Price or Fury will beat all-comers to gain the Title
>> and then defend it against proper heavyweights, not without very careful
>> match-ups and not without dodging fighters or inheriting vacated titles.
>> Puncher's chance is about the best chance they've got, and that won't be
>> enough in 8 out of 10 fights against classy opponents.

>> There's also the psychological impact, not only does Price now know he's
>> vulnerable, so do all of his future opponents. It only takes one Tony
>> Thompson to come along and set a precedent of not being overawed or
>> waiting to be KOd by a guy who finishes all his fights in 30 seconds, and
>> suddenly you're not Superman any more. Everyone with a decent right (or
>> left) hand will want a shot and now they *know* they could floor him if
>> they don't get KOd first.

>> Interesting that Audley Harrison won his 2nd "Prizefighter" tournament on
>> the same night, maybe there's a re-match with Price to come.

>I reckon Fury will fight Audley next - now that Harrison is in "the best
>shape ever" and the SKY pundits were falling over themselves to say how
>great he is looking now. Truth of course is that the second a punch comes
>his way harrison will likely give up like he has always done.

>Mr.Will

As some famous person once said, if you put lipstick on a pig, it is
still a pig.  No matter how "good" Harrison looks he's still Harrison.

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Post by Mentalguy2k » Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:37:21


Quote:




>>>There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a
>>>good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those
>>>questions may have been answered last night. Not that some other highly
>>>regarded fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career
>>>shattering defeats and went on to achieve a high level of success in the
>>>ring, (Wlad Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your
>>>thoughts on the Thompson/Price result?
>> Quote tony thompson " i trained on donut juice and fried chicken for
>> this fight"

> His weight would indicate that too! Thats why comparing Price loss to
> Lennox Lewis is a bit of a poor comparison. McCall was in the best shape
> of his life for that fight, and was always a tough one - Thompson is at
> best an also ran here. Wlad has more relevance as him getting stopped by
> Purrity was the same sort of "shock".

That's the issue, McCall was miles ahead of Thompson. It's one thing to lose
to a great shot against a fighter who was at his peak but it's another to
get embarrassed by a mediocre fighter in his 40s by a pretty standard shot.
Rahman caught Lennox with a peach of a shot that would have KOd anyone, but
Lennox would still beat him 9 times out of 10. I suspect that Price's KO
will haunt him, and encourage his future opponents. Now Price is going to
have to learn how to absorb pressure (like Wlad has) because his opponents
are going to come at him, sensing a weakness. The tables have turned, I got
the impression that most of Price's opponents came into the fight hoping to
last for as long as they could, rather than thinking they had a chance.

If Price loses to a punch like that from Thompson, he's not going to enjoy
getting one flush on the chin from a real puncher.

 
 
 

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Post by DCI » Fri, 01 Mar 2013 09:48:10

Quote:



> >There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take a

> >good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those questions

> >may have been >answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded

> >fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career shattering

> >defeats and went on to achieve a >high level of success in the ring, (Wlad

> >Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts on

> >the Thompson/Price result?

> It certainly seems to have postponed the fight we all wanted to see, Price v

> Tyson Fury.

> Unfortunately for Price he's pretty much a beanpole with a little bit of

> bulk on him, not a "true" heavyweight in my opinion, he's just tall. And

> he's white, most of us simply don't have the same physiology as black guys,

> pound for pound, especially lanky guys like Price and Tyson Fury.

Cut -

Please clarify your meaning of physiology as a difference or some implied difference as being a determining factor between "black guys" and others.

Interesting subject which often brings out a bristle in any said discussion.

DCI

 
 
 

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Post by Mentalguy2k » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 19:50:55


Quote:



>> >There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take
>> >a

>> >good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those
>> >questions

>> >may have been >answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded

>> >fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career
>> >shattering

>> >defeats and went on to achieve a >high level of success in the ring,
>> >(Wlad

>> >Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts
>> >on

>> >the Thompson/Price result?

>> It certainly seems to have postponed the fight we all wanted to see,
>> Price v

>> Tyson Fury.

>> Unfortunately for Price he's pretty much a beanpole with a little bit of

>> bulk on him, not a "true" heavyweight in my opinion, he's just tall. And

>> he's white, most of us simply don't have the same physiology as black
>> guys,

>> pound for pound, especially lanky guys like Price and Tyson Fury.

> Cut -

> Please clarify your meaning of physiology as a difference or some implied
> difference as being a determining factor between "black guys" and others.

> Interesting subject which often brings out a bristle in any said
> discussion.

I was trying to show what I think is the difference between a "natural"
heavyweight and a freakishly(?) tall guy like Price. Price is really a
cruiserweight, he's not a "big" guy, but he's forced to fight at heavyweight
because of his long legs, he's got a lot of inches there that don't
translate into natural bulk. Then you look at black heavyweights, Audley
Harrison, Lennox, Holyfield, they're big men all round, not just tall &
gangly with a bit of upper-body muscle on a skinny skeleton. Price is built
more like a black basketball player, not a black heavyweight boxer. A
beanpole who has done some weights.

I might be wrong generally but in my experience, fit black athletes outweigh
fit white athletes of the same height. I don't know if it's denser bone,
denser muscle, more muscle, but they're bigger all over and (also in my
experience) stronger and don't need to work quite so hard to build and
maintain mass. You only need to look at black and white track sprinters.
Some of the black guys look (and weigh) like bodybuilders but they can still
run quicker than the fastest white guys. Black heavyweights seem more in
proportion to me than a lot of tall white ones, big necks and heads to match
their bodies. Price and especially Tyson Fury have small heads relative to
their heights, probably an optical illusion because they've added a bit of
(shoulder) bulk to a long skinny frame, but unless you're naturally "big",
you can't increase the size of your head.

I suppose the point I'm making is that if Price and (say) Lennox Lewis
weren't pro boxers and worked in an office, you'd still say that Lewis was a
big man, but David Price would be a skinny, lanky guy. A 14-stone beanpole.

 
 
 

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Post by Mr.Will Musi » Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:45:43


Quote:






>>> >There were questions posed by some as to the big Brit's ability to take
>>> >a

>>> >good shot from a legitimate heavyweight and it appears that those
>>> >questions

>>> >may have been >answered last night. Not that some other highly regarded

>>> >fighters haven't suffered what seemed at the time to be career
>>> >shattering

>>> >defeats and went on to achieve a >high level of success in the ring,
>>> >(Wlad

>>> >Klitschko & Lennox Lewis for examples). What are some of your thoughts
>>> >on

>>> >the Thompson/Price result?

>>> It certainly seems to have postponed the fight we all wanted to see,
>>> Price v

>>> Tyson Fury.

>>> Unfortunately for Price he's pretty much a beanpole with a little bit of

>>> bulk on him, not a "true" heavyweight in my opinion, he's just tall. And

>>> he's white, most of us simply don't have the same physiology as black
>>> guys,

>>> pound for pound, especially lanky guys like Price and Tyson Fury.

>> Cut -

>> Please clarify your meaning of physiology as a difference or some implied
>> difference as being a determining factor between "black guys" and others.

>> Interesting subject which often brings out a bristle in any said
>> discussion.

> I was trying to show what I think is the difference between a "natural"
> heavyweight and a freakishly(?) tall guy like Price. Price is really a
> cruiserweight, he's not a "big" guy, but he's forced to fight at
> heavyweight because of his long legs, he's got a lot of inches there that
> don't translate into natural bulk. Then you look at black heavyweights,
> Audley Harrison, Lennox, Holyfield, they're big men all round, not just
> tall & gangly with a bit of upper-body muscle on a skinny skeleton. Price
> is built more like a black basketball player, not a black heavyweight
> boxer. A beanpole who has done some weights.

> I might be wrong generally but in my experience, fit black athletes
> outweigh fit white athletes of the same height. I don't know if it's
> denser bone, denser muscle, more muscle, but they're bigger all over and
> (also in my experience) stronger and don't need to work quite so hard to
> build and maintain mass. You only need to look at black and white track
> sprinters. Some of the black guys look (and weigh) like bodybuilders but
> they can still run quicker than the fastest white guys. Black heavyweights
> seem more in proportion to me than a lot of tall white ones, big necks and
> heads to match their bodies. Price and especially Tyson Fury have small
> heads relative to their heights, probably an optical illusion because
> they've added a bit of (shoulder) bulk to a long skinny frame, but unless
> you're naturally "big", you can't increase the size of your head.

> I suppose the point I'm making is that if Price and (say) Lennox Lewis
> weren't pro boxers and worked in an office, you'd still say that Lewis was
> a big man, but David Price would be a skinny, lanky guy. A 14-stone
> beanpole.

Guess it all depends at what age you decide to compare them - I mean the
Lewis who fought Ruddock was a big guy - but very skinny compared to the one
who beat Klitschko.
I don't think david Price is a cruiserweight per se - I get what you are
trying to say however.

Mr.Will

 
 
 

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Post by sugarlansk.. » Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:50:18

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