Jack Dempsey

Jack Dempsey

Post by Gregory Lowell Gliedm » Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>Well - except for John Henry Lewis, how many black boxers did Louis fight
>prior to the War.  
>Ciao, Mike DeLisa

        More to the point, what top black contenders did Louis duck
during that time?  Ezzard Charles didn't turn pro until 1939, and Joe
Walcott got his shots while still at or near his prime.

        When saying that Jack Demspey ducked black fighters it's more
specific.  Dempsey refused to fight Harry Wills, the #1 contender and
mandated defense for two years, largely because of the color of his skin.

                "I never was in favor of mixed bouts...
                 Willard squelched the Colored heavyweight
                 division when he squelched Jack Johnson
                 in Cuba.  Why ressurect it again?"
                                --Jack Kearns, manager of Jack Dempsey
                                quoted in New York Age 10/5/18

 
 
 

Jack Dempsey

Post by Patrick M. Keho » Fri, 24 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Now you are onto the real point here... (though circling around it to
make other assertions) it was KEARNS who was the real racist in this
melodrama... again... when he was so disposed... Dempsey, for the most
part didn't give a fig about who he fought... he fought to make money and
to direct himself toward the title... after the Willard fight he fought
periodically strickly for the money (creating the spectacle or mega fight
which became the standard yardstick again with Ali-Frazier) ... but, to
Dempsey the notion of defending to be a historic champion, blah, blah,
blah has no validity... he wanted venues to maximize the ability to
generate profits from live gates and to do this he (and his management)
had to navigate the social, financial context of the times... thus the
shitty dealing of never affording Wills his deserved oppertunity... but,
this was a management and financial matter... not Dempsey forte or
relm... but, you are right in that de facto he must bare the burden of
neglecting Wills as a contender... the paradox of circumstances and
probability remains...

                                   Patrick97

 
 
 

Jack Dempsey

Post by Heath Re » Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>On his way up, Dempsey fought quite a few black contenders.
>As a champion, he didn't.

   Disagree. I didn't know this so I went home and looked at a list of the top
black heavyweights from that era. Clark, Tate, Langford, Wills, Jeannette,
McVey, and dammit, some other guy - Dempsey didn't fight any of them. His
record was padded with Mc-people and Willie Meehan (ol' metabolically-
challenged sailor).
   This isn't a dis on Dempsey, just his record. And Kearns wasn't the reason
Dempsey didn't fight Wills (as somebody eluded) - it was Tex Rickard. Fight
originally signed in New York, Rickard broke the contract so Dempsey's license
was revoked in NY. That's why Dempsey-Tunney I was in Philadelphia.

Heath