> No one EVER said that Joe Frazier was a hard man to hit. Hit squarely,
> sometimes. His bob n' weave was pretty good at keeping him from catching
> more than a part of a punch.
> Still, this is something we all know, and most of us esteem Frazier pretty
> highly. He is not the greatest of heavyweights, because we all know those
> limitations and therefore cannot really believe that he would triumph over
> all opposition in all eras (I think Ali, Holmes, Johnson and Louis are
> candidates in that department), nor did he have a singular record
> (Marciano). However, he definetely belongs in the Top 10 Greatest Heavies of
> All Time... at least with the way that list is shaping up right now. I think
> I could find 6 or 7 heavyweights more deserving than Joe Frazier, but not
> > Tonight I saw a replay of the Joe Frazier-Ron Stander fight. Man. Stander
> > landed some big shots squarely on Joe, even had him backing up. If Stander
> > had been a real banger, Joe would've been out of there. Liston, Marciano,
> > Dempsey etc would have nailed Frazier. Joe looked best against guys with
> > little pop like Mathis and Ellis.
> > Cap
> > --
> > pax vobiscum
Manuel Ramos looked good against Frazier for a little while, then
went down in Round 2. Bonavena gave him trouble. But as with the
Ali/Cooper argument, when you start talking about wins as negatives
for a fighter, you know you're dealing with a top-notch fighter.
Who did Joe ever lose to? The Greatest and George Foreman. That's it.
He took on all comers up to then.
Joe is in my top ten heavies of all time, with Ali, Louis, Johnson,
Demspey, Marciano, Holmes, Foreman, Tunney, Holyfield.