Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by SDonat23 » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:40:02


Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis as of right now.

If Tysom dominates David Izon, there is little question that Tyson has had a
better career than Lennox Lewis.

Right now, Tyson is ranked higher than Lennox Lewis because Lewis was just
knocked out.

Scar TKO

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by Masterwarw » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:47:19

i am engligh and think tyson was the best ever.Much better than lennox
lewis,back in tysons prime it would have been a 1/2 round job

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by JVPow » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:55:56

First things first:  Scar, you're a good guy, and you are one of the most
prolific and interesting writers on RSB (I love your 'this fighter in history
vs this fighter in history' posts).  That being said, I wouldn't want you as my
personal handicapper. :)

My comments are probably going to sound rough, and I apologize in advance,
because you do seem like a really nice guy.  Sorry.  Anyway, to the points . .
.

Quote:
>Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis as of right now.

We know this; this wasn't in any dispute before tonight.  Anyone who watched
Lewis lose to Mercer and to Holy in the second fight, get rocked by Frank Bruno
and Shannon Briggs knew what this guy was all about:  Big fish, weak
(heavyweight) pond.  It's not his fault he came in at the right time, but his
main competition was either detained (Tyson), too old and small (Holy), or had
been taken out of the game (Bowe).  To his credit, Lewis either did or tried to
fight all of these guys, but I am now convinced Bowe knocks him out with Lewis'
weak chin.  Lewis was what he was:  Big and athletic. But he also wasn't what
he wasn't:  not a warrior, doesn't have a good chin, and had weak competition.
Sooner or later, this was going to happen to him.  I've got to think that the
boxing historians knew that Tyson, particularly prime Tyson, was so vastly
superior to Lewis that it isn't even funny.  But, to be fair here, people
always could have dismissed McCall as 'the lucky punch' (though, again, the
real historians would have seen Briggs, Bruno, etc. for the truth), but now,
with this one - punch knockout, the truth is on the table, and there is CLEARLY
no doubt as to who the better fighter is in history.

Quote:
>If Tysom dominates David Izon, there is little question that Tyson has had a
>better career than Lennox Lewis.

Tyson, in NO way, shape, or form, needs to beat David Izon to solidify his
career.  Being the youngest ever heavyweight champion, terrorizing the division
for years, reducing respected, undefeated men like Michael Spinks to nothing
made Mike Tyson's career.  David Izon seems like a decent guy, but he will just
be (actually, he might not end up being with tonight's result) another name in
the ledger.

Anyway, keep up the good work, and take care.

- Paul Villarreal

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by Fred09 » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:56:38

Depends on what you mean by better. Tyson has had a bigger impact on boxing
both negative and positive. Lewis had a good run and a trouble-free career, so
far,  although the current heavyweight division is pretty sad. I don't think
Tyson beating Izon does anything for Tyson. It does mean the whole world for
Izon if he can shock the world though.

<<Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis as of right now.

If Tysom dominates David Izon, there is little question that Tyson has had a
better career than Lennox Lewis.>>

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by SDonat23 » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:58:57

Quote:
>Anyway, keep up the good work, and take care.

>- Paul Villarreal

You too buddy.

Scar TKO

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by JVPow » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:12:23

I hope I didn't seem mean, man.  And thannks for the response.  My *** is
just generally in a boil tonight to the Chee's of the world (to all Lewis
lovers) who finally, rightfully got their comeuppance.  I hope I didn't spill
too much of that emotion towards you.  :)  Have a great one!!

- Paul Villarreal

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by Undispute » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:14:18

Quote:
>If Tysom dominates David Izon, there is little question that Tyson has had
a
>better career than Lennox Lewis.

Huh? How can David Izon of all people be the determining factor in who has
had a better career?

Lewis went 1-0-1 with Holyfield (should have been 2-0) whereas Tyson went
0-2, but holds a victory of considerable historical import over Michael
Spinks. These fights should be the determining factors between the two men.
I don't consider Lennox's competition to be significantly different than the
batch of Larry Holmes' leftovers Tyson whipped, and the Douglas/McCall
losses are a wash.

-Undisputed

 
 
 

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Post by ND » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:02:05

So Lewis beat Holyfield and Tyson beat himself against Holyfield. Bet you
today or even when Lewis fought Holyfield, Tyson would have beaten him.  Or
reverse it, if Lewis fought the Holyfield that Tyson did while Holy was
training with Lee Haney he would have beaten Lewis. Holy's appearance was so
different between the two.  All he needed was the power or drive he
displayed against Tyson.

Even if you wash the Douglas McCall fights, who washes the Rahman Ko'd
victory?  Both Tyson and Lewis where defeated by two oppenents but who
washes away the fact that Lewis was Ko'd two times by one punch where as it
took an arsenal against Tyson each time.  It's amazing that when someone is
so good like Tyson or Marciano, that the competition looks bleek we
speculate it was a weak division for their era.  How could you forget the
part of Tyson being the youngest HW Champion as far as history goes?


Quote:
> >If Tysom dominates David Izon, there is little question that Tyson has
had
> a
> >better career than Lennox Lewis.

> Huh? How can David Izon of all people be the determining factor in who has
> had a better career?

> Lewis went 1-0-1 with Holyfield (should have been 2-0) whereas Tyson went
> 0-2, but holds a victory of considerable historical import over Michael
> Spinks. These fights should be the determining factors between the two
men.
> I don't consider Lennox's competition to be significantly different than
the
> batch of Larry Holmes' leftovers Tyson whipped, and the Douglas/McCall
> losses are a wash.

> -Undisputed

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by Undispute » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:35:43

Quote:

>So Lewis beat Holyfield and Tyson beat himself against Holyfield. Bet you
>today or  (rest snipped)

Tyson clearly didn't beat himself the first time he locked it up with
Holyfield. Everything else is speculation and a non-issue, because both men
fought Evander twice at a similar time in his career.

Quote:
>Even if you wash the Douglas McCall fights, who washes the Rahman Ko'd
>victory?

Remains to be seen. This may become an excellent point. On the other hand,
Rahman might go on to beat some quality fighters and have a nice little
reign. Before we place this fight in history, we're going to need some
perspective. Let's give our new champ a chance to prove himself.

Quote:
>How could you forget the
>part of Tyson being the youngest HW Champion as far as history goes?

I didn't, but I consider that more trivia than an important accomplishment.
It *is* history, but shouldn't really weigh in a debate on the better
fighter, historically speaking. I'd rather measure their accomplishments in
the ring rather than have to alter my all-time list later just because some
young pug wins a share of the title a month quicker than Tyson did it.

-Undisputed

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by JVPow » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:57:54

ND,

   Well said.  I go into the folly of comparing Tyson - Douglas with Lewis -
Rahman in BoxMuhammad's post titled 'Tyson - Douglas : Lewis - Rahman : little
comparison.'  Like you said, it took an arsenal to take out Tyson, and Lewis
apologists like BoxM can't hide behind their faulty logic to try to make Tyson
look bad and their man look good.  Take care.

 - Paul Villarreal

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by sneek » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:02:18

.  It's amazing that when someone is

Quote:
> so good like Tyson or Marciano, that the competition looks bleek we
> speculate it was a weak division for their era

Ahh man, you hit it right on the head, and RJJ is getting some of the same
bullshit flack, Griffin and Johnson are some of the best fighters ever in
that division, most of Jones opponents are not bums as people claim, he will
make DM look like a bum, I betcha that! Then what, no excuses right?  Tyson
annihilated everything in site, he never gave anybody else a chance to look
good, neither does RJJ, if DM wants to fight he will come to the US and
fight, only a fool would think Jones is afraid of him.  If the comp was so
bleek in Tysons era, then how the hell could you people rank LL ahead of him
as an all time great, thats some biased bullshit, because Lewis couldnt be
in a weaker era.
 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by Alister Scott Ottese » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:11:15


Quote:
> Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis as of right now.

> If Tysom dominates David Izon, there is little question that Tyson has had
a
> better career than Lennox Lewis.

> Right now, Tyson is ranked higher than Lennox Lewis because Lewis was just
> knocked out.

Lewis was on his way to earning a higher rating in history than Tyson, a few
more defences would have sealded it, but Rahman made sure he didn't.
However, I don't see David Izon as being the man that secures Tyson his
place. Who did he ever beat?
Comparing their titlefight records, Tyson is 12-3, while Lewis is 12-2-1.
For most part their opposition has been about the same. I'd say Tyson is
somewhere between 10-12 and Lewis around 15 in history, largely due to the
fact that Lewis lost to lesser fighters than did Tyson.

Alister

 
 
 

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Post by SDonat23 » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:16:07

I have Riddick Bowe now ahead of Lennox Lewis. Bowe was never stopped and only
lost ONCE.

Scar TKO

 
 
 

Mike Tyson is better in history than Lennox Lewis by Scar TKO....

Post by Paul » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:36:22

and if I recall, that one loss was avenged...it was holyfield he lost to
(bowe holy 2) right?


Quote:
>I have Riddick Bowe now ahead of Lennox Lewis. Bowe was never stopped and
only
>lost ONCE.

>Scar TKO

 
 
 

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Post by Robert Phillip » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:50:31

Quote:

>  and RJJ is getting some of the same
> bullshit flack, Griffin and Johnson are some of the best fighters ever in
> that division,

Man, I'm an RJJ fan, but....we don't need your support!  ;)

Pie